Johto Pokémon to come to Pokémon GO this week [update now live]

Option- said:
Bad timing imo. Just release all 150 of generation two at april when it´s getting warmer oh my
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What? Gen 2 is 100 Pokémon. The 80+ is taking into account the fact that the babies and Togetic (8 total) have already been added and we won't be getting Legendaries (6 total). There's only 86 to release, presumably we're getting all of them (though Unown may be delayed due to the fact there's 26-28 versions).

And no, this was already perhaps a bit later than it really should have been. Waiting until April would have been a terrible, terrible idea.

NippleViking said:
This will make a lot of money, though obviously would have been better for sustain if implemented a year ago.
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The game released just over 7 months ago, and less for those outside of the NA, EU, and AUS/NZ. Though I do think this should have been December, maybe January.
 
Really hope they increase the maximum number of Pokemon you can store to go along with the increased number of Pokemon to catch. And also that none of the Johto 'mons are region exclusive. God that was a bad idea, especially since they still haven't bothered to add trading.

E: Wait, people actually liked the original footsteps tracking? It was awful, and made finding any Pokemon a huge pain in the ass unless you were just lucky. The current tracker is much better, with the exception that it is still completely awful for people who live in rural areas with few Pokestops, but that's pretty much a summation of the entire game so
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Really hope they increase the maximum number of Pokemon you can store to go along with the increased number of Pokemon to catch. And also that none of the Johto 'mons are region exclusive. God that was a bad idea, especially since they still haven't bothered to add trading.

E: Wait, people actually liked the original footsteps tracking? It was awful, and made finding any Pokemon a huge pain in the ass unless you were just lucky. The current tracker is much better, with the exception that it is still completely awful for people who live in rural areas with few Pokestops, but that's pretty much a summation of the entire game so
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It would have been a decent system has it worked right, but it has various issues from day one, even in the window before it completely fell apart. Ideally it would come back with light improvements as a supplement to the Nearby system currently used. Best of both worlds.
 
Took way longer than expected. Don't know if I'll get back into the game just for this, too much time has passed at this point.
 
Benzychenz said:
I hope they add time exclusive Pokemon.

Make Ledyba/Spinarak and Pidgey/Hoothoot spawns swap at night.
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I thought I heard once that Clefairy more spawn at night, cause moon stone. No idea if it ended up being true. ...I couldn't find any this event, though :( ...still need a Clefable.
 
I haven't seen a SINGLE person play this in public since... I dunno, maybe December, I guess?

I know there's the GO PLUS device, but am I right in thinking that most remaining players probably just drive around now?
 
Kind of surprised that they are releasing them this week considering its still pretty cold outside. I was honestly expecting Mid-March to coincide with March break and warmer weather but oh well. I'm okay with it either way and look forward to the release.
 
Damn, this is big! I was lucky enough to get every single NA Kanto Pokemon before this dropped. The only available ones I don't have are Igglybuff, Togetic, Elekid, and Smoochum.

It sucks that I have 9 5km eggs, though. And those ones don't have the updated egg chart data. I'm at level 32, so I can still play for experience, too!

The game has been resurrected.
 
Kinda crazy this thread has so few posts. Hopefully this update draws people back to the game. It's really improved so much since launch.
 
jax said:
Battles

Trading

You know, the cornerstones of the franchise. Nbd
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Gotta catch 'em all.

I mean, I know what you're getting at and being able to trade would be great (battling will probably never be the same as the 'real' games), but would also kinda defeat the purpose of GO. There are no 'version exclusives' or anything like that. Of course there's the 4(?) region exclusive Pokémon, but I don't think online trading would be a thing. Too many people will trade hacked Pokémon with people from around the world, which could result in getting them banned. Trading will probably only be with people who are around you at that moment, which I'm perfectly fine with.

The power of Pokémon GO, as I experienced it, is the (groups of) people who go out and hunt for Pokémon. People recognizing other people as Pokémon trainers and telling 'em they just caught a rare Pokémon around the corner. People being excited because they finally caught that Pokémon they needed or wanted so bad all that time. Trading would ruin that magic. On top of that it could create dangerous situations for kids who'll go meet strangers from the internet to go trade Pokémon with.

Tl;dr: At least to me, Pokémon GO is all about catching them (all). Trading would be a nice addition to get that one last Pokémon you still need that your friend has 4 of, but it would kind of defeat the purpose of the game. Battling will probably never be the same as in the 3DS games, because... You know... They'd probably want you to buy the 3DS games if you want that.

edit: It's mid-winter in Holland right now and kinda cold. After they didn't drop it in December, I was expecting them to fully launch Gen 2 around ~June with some teases like the babies in between. I guess they are saving Gen 3 for summer then, seeing as I don't know anyone who would go out in the snow/cold just to catch some Pokémon. I think the game was huge in the summer because everyone was already outside anyway. Might as well catch some Pokémon.
 
Go a couple pages back and you'll see confirmation that they're working on PvP trading literally right now.

The battle system is not fun to me whatsoever, so I don't really care if they never do PvP battles. The only way you could get me to care about anything but catching in GO is to paste the actual main game Pokémon battle system in as an option.

I know the appeal as a mobile game is that battles are quick and non committal, but they also happen to be zero fun for me. Like, I kinda hate them a lot. I know it would involve a major overhaul and I don't expect it to happen, but I would play this game 1000000% more if I could just battle like I do in the main games.
 
GiantBreadbug said:
Go a couple pages back and you'll see confirmation that they're working on PvP trading literally right now.
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I know that. But don't forget that they promised trading very close to launch as well. And they kept promising it throughout 2016. I'll believe it when I see it.

And does PvP trading mean it could be online? Or do we not know that yet? Because online would ruin it completely for me (I won't use it, maybe only for the region exclusives, but then what's the point of having them as region exclusives). In person at least would mean you have to meet up with another trainer to transfer them the Pokéball like in the franchise.
 
They should have at the very least had the first 151 out before going into the next 100. What are they waiting for?
 
-GJ- said:
I know that. But don't forget that they promised trading very close to launch as well. And they kept promising it throughout 2016. I'll believe it when I see it.

And does PvP trading mean it could be online? Or do we not know that yet? Because online would ruin it completely for me (I won't use it, maybe only for the region exclusives, but then what's the point of having them as region exclusives). In person at least would mean you have to meet up with another trainer to transfer them the Pokéball like in the franchise.
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I'm pretty sure I remember them saying any trading feature would be local only. Online trading would really ruin it though, so here's hoping my memory is correct.
 
jax said:
As I said, you had to have actually played the game before they nerfed it to really understand, but I'll try my best to explain. The majority of the world didn't even get to experience the real game that exploded the phenomenon as most locales just downloaded the gimped version based on the true game's hype. The game wasn't so popular because it's Pokémon, it was popular because it was fun, and if Niantic never removed that feature the phenomenon wouldn't have died so quickly.

The 3 footprint method was a hot and cold system that would guide you directly to a Pokémon's location based on the footprints disappearing as you got closer. Most of the time if you're walking you wouldn't get to them in time before they despawned, but if you're on a bike or skateboard it was seriously amazing. While everyone else is walking like a zombie staring at their phones, I would skate around and catch literally everything, and scream to the crowds "ODDISH, over HERE!" And they'd all run/skate over. I had over 80 Pokémon on the first day, growing my collection of candies ready to evolve the lot of them.

Niantic saw this and said "uhh, fuck no, no one is buying our stupid lures" and removed the entire system, effectively milking the players, and ruining what made the gameplay great. Basically, it would be like if Blizzard removed the exp bar in Overwatch and instead forced you to play Arcade mode or buy Loot Boxes. 200% capitalistic greed.

How it is now isn't fun. "Oh, go to this poke stop and there might be something there" isn't nearly the same is "oh shit, there's a Charizard IN MY IMMEDIATE VICINTY. I know it's 2 am and I'm in my PJs but I have to fucking RUN SOMEWHERE NOW."

Again, if you didn't play the game when it was in it's true form, you probably won't understand.
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This system is counter-intuitive for a number of reasons other than the one vague positive of "adventuring" in an effort to triangulate a Pokemon's location. First of all, most people playing will be walking. This is a step-counting, walking game. Not everyone can rush around on a bike or skateboard in time before the Pokemon vanishes. To expect that of people is totally unreasonable.

After a while, the novelty of "searching" wears off. It gets tedious and time consuming, especially since again, all Pokemon that spawn are on a timer. By the time you whittle down the location of the Pokemon, it will often disappear (as it often did even in the heyday of entire swarms of people playing the game). And by the way, if a key component of your system is dependent on a high saturation of people playing the game to work properly (like crowdsourcing info from rando's on the street for Pokemon locations), it's a broken system. No product, can ever maintain that mass of people playing all the time, everywhere. The new system accounts for lulls in the population playing and single player tracking, as well as being much safer for kids.

The new system still gives me a sense of "rush" when a rare or missing Pokemon in my Dex pops up on the tracker. My gf and I have rushed out of our apartment several times when a rarity shows up to catch it, our excitement coming from it's appearance and our confidence of knowing exactly where to find it. No rush, no wasted time against the clock trying to hunt a Poke down- just a nice little journey to said stop.

And I may be mistaken, but I thought the only pokemon that show up on the tracker were naturally occurring ones, and not Lure ones, since those are entirely random commons that show up. Therefore it would make no sense to correlate lure purchases to Pokestops being the locations for Tracker based Pokemon.

And before you even type it, YES I played the original game from day one, and the footstep system was a fucked trash fire from the beginning. It only briefly worked in spots, and even within that small window, exposed all the reasons I wrote above for quickly wearing it's "fun factor" thin.

jax said:
It'll never get as big as it was. The damage is done. Though I'm not trying to say it isn't still successful, it was just surreal to see so many people playing before. It's a shame greed had to ruin that.
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Please tell me, is there any product of this kind that not only exploded in popularity at the speed GO did, but maintained that kind of fever 6 months and beyond, and actually managed to keep growing at the same rate?

This was lighting in a bottle, and every damn person and their grandmother could tell you this wasn't gonna last. In fact, many were convinced a week and at most a month was the life expectancy of GO, and it managed to not only exceed that, but make history in the process. I doubt the quality of this product would have entertained this lighting-in-a-bottle crowd much longer than it did. They fiddled with it since it was the hot new fad, and got bored of it. And even taking that into account, it maintains a historically high active player base that is still outgrossing almost all apps in the store. The damage has been done indeed, to the record books that is.
 
Neat. Doubt it can pull me back in for more than a day tho.
Catch some Sentret, evolve into a Furret and I'm content.
 
WhiteRabbitEXE said:
How much do you expect them to change the gameplay, and in what way?
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Battling can definitely be improved. Doesn't have translate the system from the handheld games, but the way they currently have set up is not only boring but also not very fun to play in. Also, implement trading, and have all 151 in the game. Not just rush into Johto without completing the other stuff first.
 
I'm soooo looking forward to this. Never got disinterested in the game. This news along with the recent Niantic CEO interview made my morning tbh.
 
I love being able to care about catching common Pokemon again, but yeesh this update brought a lot of Niantic's greed to the forefront. Half off box expansions instead of making the box large enough to catch every Pokemon, the new clothing options costing ridiculous amounts of coins... to say nothing about how the "special item" evolutions still require just as much candy alongside the special items.

You want to catch them all? You'll grind forever and you'll like it. Oh, and you'll fork over real life cash to expand your box, because screw you.
 
I've been away from the game for a long time and don't understand the new tracker. Are the Pokemon at the locations shown on the tracker or just nearby?
 
VegaShinra said:
I've been away from the game for a long time and don't understand the new tracker. Are the Pokemon at the locations shown on the tracker or just nearby?
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It shows the Pokestop closest to the Pokemon. So if you're in a location with multiple Pokestops you can fairly easily extrapolate where the Pokemon is.
 
Surprised they haven't added shinies yet. I think that would be pretty exciting and would give people a reason to want to catch old Pokemon. Would also go well on social media IMO.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
I love being able to care about catching common Pokemon again, but yeesh this update brought a lot of Niantic's greed to the forefront. Half off box expansions instead of making the box large enough to catch every Pokemon, the new clothing options costing ridiculous amounts of coins... to say nothing about how the "special item" evolutions still require just as much candy alongside the special items.

You want to catch them all? You'll grind forever and you'll like it. Oh, and you'll fork over real life cash to expand your box, because screw you.
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Wanting people to pay for things in a free to play game? The villains!
 
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