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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3

Buggy Loop said:
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Thread title needs to change. "game of thrones spoilers"
 
Damnit I'm supposed to wait until summer at the earliest for any PC upgrades, but the leaks are making it so hard to not start planning my AMD build RIGHT NOW............
 
Is the gap between current Nvidia and AMD GPUs as bad as it has been for their CPUs versus Intel? I am certainly looking forward to being able to reasonably choose an AMD CPU again, but will I be able to go full AMD without holding myself back?
 
Fou-Lu said:
Is the gap between current Intel and AMD GPUs as bad as it has been for CPUs? I am certainly looking forward to being able to reasonably choose an AMD CPU again, but will I be able to go full AMD without holding myself back?
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Umm do you mean Nvidia and AMD.

Ryzen doesnt have iGPU.


If you wanna go full AMD I would wait until Vega is out.
 
Built my system at the end of 2015 with an i5, but I'll be very glad if the benchmarks all come out looking this good. Great price:performance ratio. Shows how much Intel has control over the market right now.
 
Fou-Lu said:
Yes, I did mean Nvidia. Oops.
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Depends on budget, 480 and 1060 are pretty close, 470 smokes the 1050Ti but the 1050 smokes the 460, I wouldn't bother with the 1060 3GB at all. AMD does not currently have anything that competes with the 1070 or the 1080. Vega should slot in here somewhere but exactly where, what price etc is unknown at the moment.
 
ShadowKingpin said:
It seems like 1700 is the way to go. For 4K video editing, gaming and livestreaming, this seems to be a perfect choice. I was going to nab the 1800X, but I really don't need all of that power.

If anyone's opinion, with what we know of the 1700 and up lineup, would livestreaming while gaming seem possible like it is on the 1800X? With 8 cores, it should work out pretty well I would think?
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The 1700 is unlocked. If you need additional performance then you can overclock it.
 
blu said:
I'm in the same boat, and I recently paired my E3-1270 with a sibling for distributed computing. Little did I know.
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Yes, both CPU's and GPU's look to be very competitive and will be nicely priced from AMD........

Even those who don't want an 8 core CPU have the option of going with an R5 with 6 cores, which should prove amazing for gaming and more future proof than current skylakes....What's interesting is how amazing those R3's will be if you just want to build a second RIG, since AMD has raised from the dead and is looking quite good with these leaked benches....An entry level Rig with an R3 should prove very competitive and a nice option for SFF PC builders....

R3's have 4 cores man, they all do, my current intel skylake 13-6100 only has two physical cores, that's a big boost up especially when these R3's will be overclocked....Price to perf ratio on R3 vs i3 should be a really nice faceoff, just as R5 vs i5 and R7 vs I7.....It's been a longtime since I wanted a shakeup and some competition in this industry and it feels really good that it may be here finally.........Fingers crossed for AMD............
 
dimvcl said:
scorpio's cpu?
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Not unless there's a small miracle. Lisa Su's categorically ruled out AMD accepting semi-custom Zen contracts before 2018/19 no less than twice, most recently only a few months ago, and Microsoft reiterated a Q4 2017 for Scorpio just yesterday.
 
JaseC said:
Not unless there's a small miracle. Lisa Su's categorically ruled out AMD accepting semi-custom Zen contracts before 2018/19 no less than twice, most recently only a few months ago, and Microsoft reiterated a Q4 2017 for Scorpio just yesterday.
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However Mark cerny also stated that AMD liked th semi custom stuff showing up in console first , as it was a good test before they go out to other customers
 
should i kick myself for buying a brand new prebuilt system 2 weeks ago with an i7700k? it was an upgrade to my 4 year old laptop...
 
dragos495 said:
should i kick myself for buying a brand new prebuilt system 2 weeks ago with an i7700k? it was an upgrade to my 4 year old laptop...
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Well, you could've gotten better for cheaper if you waited and these leaks are true but... A 7700k is a great CPU that's not gonna be obsolete any time soon.

And if you're talking a laptop, then these AMD cpus don't even have IGPUs in them, so you wouldn't find them in your average laptop yet.
 
EvB said:
However Mark cerny also stated that AMD liked th semi custom stuff showing up in console first , as it was a good test before they go out to other customers
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You're thinking of this:

We also gained some insight into how AMD's semi-custom hardware design relationships actually work. Up until now, the perception has been that console APUs are actually an assemblage of off-the-shelf AMD parts with limited modification. After all, PS4's GPU looks a lot like the Pitcairn design that debuted in the Radeon HD 7850 and 7870. The Xbox One equivalent bears more than a passing relationship to the Bonaire processor that debuted in the Radeon HD 7790.

"You may later on see something that looks very much like a console GPU as a discrete GPU, but that's then being very familiar with the design and taking inspiration from the console GPU. So the similarity, if you see one, is actually the reverse of what you're thinking," Cerny explains, saying that console designs are 'battle-tested' and thus easier to deploy as discrete GPU products.
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But I didn't mean to create a Scorpio tangent as it's neither here nor there, especially as there's a dedicated speculation thread. I just didn't want to leave the question dangling as otherwise he may have felt he was being ignored.
 
Darkstorne said:
I don't think that's likely. There are enough consumers in this market that like to read reviews and buy whatever provides the best cost/performance ratio, rather than sticking with brand loyalty regardless, that a well reviewed CPU range (and hopefully GPU range too) from AMD will impact on Intel's sales. It won't be huge, but it should be enough to make them take notice. At the very least you're going to see prices benefiting consumers as a result.
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You'll be surprised at the amount of ignorance and apathy right now. I had to convince very intelligent friends that i7 is not the best just because it has a 7 in it (eg the i7 U line is deceptively low powered).
 
Camoxide said:
Wouldn't function in old games properly, you would have to run an xbox one emulator on it...

CPU for the PS5 and Xbox 10 will probably be a tweaked version of this.
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But Scorpio is already a change as it doesn't have ESRAM, so it already will either need a recompile of the executable to account for that, or the API will handle that silently.

That said it would be a surprise for Ryzen to be in the Scorpio, put maybe some other Zen based part will make the cut.
 
Renekton said:
You'll be surprised at the amount of ignorance and apathy right now. I had to convince very intelligent friends that i7 is not the best just because it has a 7 in it (eg the i7 U line is deceptively low powered).
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tbh it feels like Intel names their processors by throwing dice on the floor.
 
Khaz said:
tbh it feels like Intel names their processors by throwing dice on the floor.
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The letters at the end are tiers between things like their ultra low power chips vs their higher performing chips with HQ. I'm not sure what core Ms are. It's pretty misleading to most consumers though.
 
dr_rus said:
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 8 Core CPU Benchmarks Leaked – Giving Intel’s $1000+ 8-Cores A Run For It

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Holyshit.gif time?
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Has AMD's stock instantaneously reached 200 billion USD capitalization? If their chip performed effectively 20x Intel's core design, not only would they be valued at Intel's capitalization, but investors would flock to support them because it would allow large leaps in machine learning, research, and basically everything related to intense CPU compute.

Everything so far has indicated that Zen's IPC is 10% below Intel's core. With 8+ cores at the price, that's a huge deal. But these sorts of graphs are not reflective of reality.
 
inherendo said:
The letters at the end are tiers between things like their ultra low power chips vs their higher performing chips with HQ. I'm not sure what core Ms are. It's pretty misleading to most consumers though.
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Core m processors are ultra low power, low clock speed processors that are cooled passively. Computers with core m are usually fanless.
 
So how come most of the time "leaks" are just some cpu mark/score benchmarking software vs actual games. You'd think someone would launch up a game
 
teh_pwn said:
Has AMD's stock instantaneously reached 200 billion USD capitalization? If their chip performed effectively 20x Intel's core design, not only would they be valued at Intel's capitalization, but investors would flock to support them because it would allow large leaps in machine learning, research, and basically everything related to intense CPU compute.

Everything so far has indicated that Zen's IPC is 10% below Intel's core. With 8+ cores at the price, that's a huge deal. But these sorts of graphs are not reflective of reality.
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Yeah, a few of these graphs just don't feel right to me. Realistically, I feel Intel will still dominate in singe thread performance, but Zen will beat Intel in mutli-threaded applications. Then again, AMD has always been great with multithreading. This is just my guess, though.
 
DonMigs85 said:
Do we know if the 4-core chips are harvested from 8-core dies?
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I think the 8 core dies are two modules of 4 cores or if I remember correctly 2 CCX sub-units.

So the 6 core ones are probably binned 8 cores, but the 4 cores are probably just one CCX unit... I wonder if they'd make a ghetto 2 or 3 core chip down the road though.
 
kotodama said:
I think the 8 core dies are two modules of 4 cores or if I remember correctly 2 CCX sub-units.

So the 6 core ones are probably binned 8 cores, but the 4 cores are probably just one CCX unit... I wonder if they'd make a ghetto 2 or 3 core chip down the road though.
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Considering they've made single-module bins for their Bulldozer derivatives I wouldn't put it past them
 
kotodama said:
I think the 8 core dies are two modules of 4 cores or if I remember correctly 2 CCX sub-units.

So the 6 core ones are probably binned 8 cores, but the 4 cores are probably just one CCX unit... I wonder if they'd make a ghetto 2 or 3 core chip down the road though.
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This is correct
 
Lactose_Intolerant said:
Especially when you pick the people's cpu your are testing with.

I just picked a 6700k at random and it is 550 lower than my results with the same cpu in the SSE test.
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Marmelade said:
Yeah I just did that same test with my 6700k and scored 569
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Well this is what I mean. In the picture the Intel chips have a PT8 setting enabled in the benchmark. If the AMD unit does to then it is apples to apples so its a good showing for this specific instruction set but if the AMD chip does not then it is really misleading. A score of 742 is still good but why the misdirection by whoever ran the benchmark?
 
On one hand I want AMD to pull this off because we desperately need it in the CPU market. On the other hand... I already feel like my 6700K will be outdated and I wasn't planning on upgrading until late 2018/early 2019. I might end up getting an R7 1700/1800.
 
Just saw this posted in the Anandtech forums. Really brings home what a ridiculous leap forward this is for AMD and what a colossal failure Bulldozer was:

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Marlenus said:
Well this is what I mean. In the picture the Intel chips have a PT8 setting enabled in the benchmark. If the AMD unit does to then it is apples to apples so its a good showing for this specific instruction set but if the AMD chip does not then it is really misleading. A score of 742 is still good but why the misdirection by whoever ran the benchmark?
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That one segment is clearly a botched comparison but there's loads of good stuff in that benchmark as well. It has Ryzen above Broadwell-E in the integer, floating point, compression and crucially single thread performance tests. Don't write off the whole benchmark because one component has a messed up baseline.
 
So.... 7700K with ITX right now or AMD + iTx whenever they say this mobos will be released... Man, I don´t know what to do... I was planning on upgrading my PC like... this week.
 
Josemsar said:
So.... 7700K with ITX right now or AMD + iTx whenever they say this mobos will be released... Man, I don´t know what to do... I was planning on upgrading my PC like... this week.
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The thing get's released in under two weeks. The money's magically gonna disappear from your account if you wait a bit?
 
brain_stew said:
That one segment is clearly a botched comparison but there's loads of good stuff in that benchmark as well. It has Ryzen above Broadwell-E in the integer, floating point, compression and crucially single thread performance tests. Don't write off the whole benchmark because one component has a messed up baseline.
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I was just talking about the SSE test. The other leaks are pointing to a very competitive CPU so hopefully real world performance is in line with what the synthetic benches are currently showing.
 
brain_stew said:
Just saw this posted in the Anandtech forums. Really brings home what a ridiculous leap forward this is for AMD and what a colossal failure Bulldozer was:

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Nice. Hope these turn out well for AMD, they need this win.

It always amazes me that they were on top and then struggled so badly for so long.

I mean, for all intents and purposes, going by that chart, their 2011 chips were nearly what their 2004 chips were at.
 
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