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[Got]

Man you should fish out my first "what camera should I buy" post on here. It took me a bit to learn what I wanted and that overall my first camera wasn't too great. You gave worthwhile advice though, sometimes people just don't want to admit that they're wrong or don't have the appropriate knowledge yet to know what the problem is or how to fix it. I actually think fucking up first and asking for advice next is the best teacher.

I don't buy shit without a viewfinder or dedicated Iso button, I'm not joking.

I think everyone hits that wall and just going out and learning is great too.

 

[JadedWriter]

I think everyone hits that wall and just going out and learning is great too.

Yeah pretty much I think going out and fucking up lead to the lessons that stick with you most.

 

[Rentahamster]

An interesting approach. Not my speed but the fact that there options to achieve the end result photo is what makes this fun. So many ways and so many approaches and utilizing all of the features in a camera is a great way to get the end result.

It's useful if you want to hard set a minimum shutter speed and maximum aperture, while still taking advantage of automatic exposure. Good for dark areas with somewhat dynamic lighting changes.

 

[Rentahamster]

A Lil OT

But how can I get rid of star effect

Not really OT at all. Try shoot wide open and see what happens.

 

[Lasthope106]

Thanks, I expected I'd get slammed for my viewpoint but good to see I wasn't too far off from my opinions on trying to help people with their photography. and no doubt, Jaded, sometimes you gotta dive in feet first but asking for advice and then ignoring it is such a fucking insult. Though seeing how many threads get started on here with people asking for advice and then just going with what they think I guess I shouldn't be surprised lol.

You know I was going to let this go. But you are a dick.

I don't know how I insulted you. All your responses were confrotational as fuck. Pardon me from wanting to learn. You proceeded to tell me how much I didn't know. Guess what prick I do know all things you mentioned. If you want to help people out, then perhaps you should change your strategy to do so. Telling people how much they don't know doesn't serve any purpose other than make them feel bad. They know they don't know.

So fuck off. I thought this thread was a good resource to ask, but your increasingly dick posts have soured me on it, so I will refrain from asking again here for any help.

Oh yeah and let me tell everyone how I thank you several times, and how I even pm'ed to thank you again. But you know what. I take all those back.

 

[Rentahamster]

Lasthope, what issue specifically did you want clarification about?

 

[v0yce]

You know I was going to let this go. But you are a dick.

I don't know how I insulted you. All your responses were confrotational as fuck. Pardon me from wanting to learn. You proceeded to tell me how much I didn't know. Guess what prick I do know all things you mentioned. If you want to help people out, then perhaps you should change your strategy to do so. Telling people how much they don't know doesn't serve any purpose other than make them feel bad. They know they don't know.

So fuck off. I thought this thread was a good resource to ask, but your increasingly dick posts have soured me on it, so I will refrain from asking again here for any help.

Oh yeah and let me tell everyone how I thank you several times, and how I even pm'ed to thank you again. But you know what. I take all those back.

I'm certainly not trying to dog pile or anything but saying your were hand holding and you think 1/60 is "way too fast" shows you may have some things confused.

And the leap you made from people offering suggestions or wanting more info and you deciding you'd only shoot full manual and you'd only use that lens on a tripod going forward was... weird. And I can see how Got might think you were dismissing what was being said.

But its a fun hobby and I think everyone here is happy to help so don't get turned off. And don't be afraid to post a photo even if it's not any good. Just post something that shows the issue you are having and people will be better able to help. The answer may be a lot easier than you think.

 

[Astral/H3X]

On the issue of ISO, I usually set mine to auto, but have it on a dial for whenever I'm doing more controlled shooting. I usually shoot manual, but since ISO is almost always going to be a result of your aperture and shutter speed, I often just let it pick. Same for white balance (especially since there's no loss to setting that after the fact).

 

[Got]

You know I was going to let this go. But you are a dick.

I don't know how I insulted you. All your responses were confrotational as fuck. Pardon me from wanting to learn. You proceeded to tell me how much I didn't know. Guess what prick I do know all things you mentioned. If you want to help people out, then perhaps you should change your strategy to do so. Telling people how much they don't know doesn't serve any purpose other than make them feel bad. They know they don't know.

So fuck off. I thought this thread was a good resource to ask, but your increasingly dick posts have soured me on it, so I will refrain from asking again here for any help.

Oh yeah and let me tell everyone how I thank you several times, and how I even pm'ed to thank you again. But you know what. I take all those back.

classy

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Those new sigma lenses man..

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/first-images-four-new-sigma-lenses/

I wonder if that 24-70 is as big as Nikon and Canon's

Thanks for the link. Definitely going to keep my eye on the 24-70 2.8. I think the only native lens available for E mount with those specifications is the $2,500 G Master behemoth.

Definitely interested in seeing how the Sigma compares (and what price point it comes in at).

 

[RuGalz]

I have used my Samyang 12mm for E-Mount two times since I bought it. Today I was finally transferring the pictures to my computer and I noticed that all the pictures were really blurred. I immediately compared it to my other lenses and the difference in sharpness was quite significant.

Now I don't know much but I thought that if using a manual lens I could set the A6000 on the A mode, and it would take care of everything else for me. Is that not the case? Other people using this camera, what mode are you using?

From that I think the issue with the pictures I took was that the camera didn't use the correct shutter speed for the scene. What can I do to fix this? Just resort to adjusting the shutter speed myself, or is there something else I'm missing?

Just catching up here... Umm A Mode? Did you turn the aperture ring on the lens? A mode isn't going to take care of it so maybe you were shooting it wide open.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

To offset the fuckery that's going around, ima offer y'all some kick ass avatar material that I stol- I mean, offering exposure to an artist....

 

[Got]

Just catching up here... Umm A Mode? Did you turn the aperture ring on the lens? A mode isn't going to take care of it so maybe you were shooting it wide open.

I think he was on Aperture Priority (A Mode maybe?), but that doesn't explain everything else he was experiencing. A picture with the metadata would help the most. Should be easy to see if the blur was from the slow shutter speed or if he missed focus though at F8, I'm going to guess it was the shutter speed.

 

[captive]

i don't check the thread for the weekend...


@lasthope if you're still reading this thread, post pictures its a lot easier to help someone that way. Hell i still struggle determing motion blur from slightly missed focus.
Also dont take everything so personally.




does anyone know if you can manually edit the lightroom metadata import settings via the file? Copy and paste isn't working from within lightroom, its only pasting the last line.

 

[Rentahamster]

Actually, if the pics were getting sharper as the shutter speed decreased, it sounds like he was in shutter priority mode. Also 1/60 can be considered "fast" if you're shooting at 12mm.

 

[RuGalz]

I think he was on Aperture Priority (A Mode maybe?), but that doesn't explain everything else he was experiencing. A picture with the metadata would help the most. Should be easy to see if the blur was from the slow shutter speed or if he missed focus though at F8, I'm going to guess it was the shutter speed.

Ya but A mode won't do anything to the Samyang lens no matter what you set on the camera.

 

[Got]

Ya but A mode won't do anything to the Samyang lens no matter what you set on the camera.

I don't think I said it would. I did say the lens would affect the camera settings in Aperture mode though.

 

[Ty4on]

Ya but A mode won't do anything to the Samyang lens no matter what you set on the camera.

Samyang lenses can communicate with Nikon bodies. They even have an A setting (smallest aperture) in Nikon mount. That's the only mount tho I think.

 

[RuGalz]

I don't think I said it would. I did say the lens would affect the camera settings in Aperture mode though.

Not sure what your are implying then. I can put a manual lens on my camera in A mode, and turn the dial which makes me think it's F8 but in fact it's still wide open. That's a pretty simple mistake to make and many do on Pentax. I don't remember if A6000 works that way.

Samyang lenses can communicate with Nikon bodies. They even have an A setting (smallest aperture) in Nikon mount. That's the only mount tho I think.

Pentax ones also have A setting, milc ones don't. Every picture shows f1 on Fuji.

 

[Got]

Not sure what your are implying then. I can put a manual lens on my camera in A mode, and turn the dial which makes me think it's F8 but in fact it's still wide open. That's a pretty simple mistake to make and many do on Pentax. I don't remember if A6000 works that way.



Pentax ones also have A setting, milc ones don't.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about really. Maybe explain better?

are you saying A mode as in Aperture Priority? or Auto?

I'm talking about Aperture Priority. The camera will still meter with the available light and set the shutter speed accordingly and maybe the ISO depending on what they have it set as (Auto ISO or if they've pre-chosen the ISO then obviously that's what it will stay at) I f I set the aperture to f/8 on a manual lens, then I would expect it to have an aperture of f/8 which in turn would have the camera meter for that light. simple enough really.

 

[RuGalz]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about really. Maybe explain better?

are you saying A mode as in Aperture Priority? or Auto?

I'm talking about Aperture Priority. The camera will still meter with the available light and set the shutter speed accordingly and maybe the ISO depending on what they have it set as (Auto ISO or if they've pre-chosen the ISO then obviously that's what it will stay at) I f I set the aperture to f/8 on a manual lens, then I would expect it to have an aperture of f/8 which in turn would have the camera meter for that light. simple enough really.

I assumed A mode was referring to aperture priority mode. What I am saying is In aperture priority mode, I can set the lens' physical aperture to F2 and turn the dial on the camera and it would say it's set to F8 on the camera. Then I take a picture thinking it's F8 it would actually be still be F2 despite what camera says.

 

[Siyou]

What is a good and cheap beginner camera? Truth be told, I've always had an interest, but I don't know where to begin. :/

 

[Got]

I assumed A mode was referring to aperture priority mode. What I am saying is In aperture priority mode, I can set the lens' physical aperture to F2 and turn the dial on the camera and it would say it's set to F8 on the camera. Then I take a picture thinking it's F8 it would actually be still be F2 despite what camera says.

I never even talked about that. Maybe he did that, I have no idea. Obviously, he was kind of clueless on how to use his gear so any info he gave was suspect from the start. Not sure what else I can say other than "ok." I'm not sure what aperture reading he was getting. On the lens, in the camera, again, I have no idea. Maybe if he engaged and tried to give us more info this would've ended up better but oh well.

 

[Ty4on]

Pentax ones also have A setting, milc ones don't. Every picture shows f1 on Fuji.

Ah, thanks.

That makes a pretty big difference to usability through an optical viewfinder. On Canon you have to go wide open, focus (without aids) and then stop down manually to meter and take the picture.

What is a good and cheap beginner camera? Truth be told, I've always had an interest, but I don't know where to begin. :/

What's your budget? I'd say most cameras are good to start with, but if the budget is low you might want to look at used/refurbished. New ~200 dollar cameras are often worse than smartphones.

 

[Got]

On the upside, yesterday I got my hands on a famous legacy lens. The Nikkor AI 105mm f/2.5. Adapts nicely to my Fuji kit. Scored it at a flea market for $50 and it's in pristine condition so nice score all around!

 

[Ty4on]

Was that the same lens used for the Afghan Girl photo?

 

[BlueTsunami]

Was that the same lens used for the Afghan Girl photo?

Yes. Amazing lens for the value.

 

[Got]

Was that the same lens used for the Afghan Girl photo?

yup

Yes. Amazing lens for the value.

totally

on my Fuji kit it'll be a bit more telephoto like but still a solid performer regardless. It may convince to get a Metabones Speed Booster.

 

[adoboy12]

A little bit of namedropping for the region around $550:

Entry level DSLRs: Canon Rebel T5 (or refurbished T5i) with a kit zoom. Nikon D3400. Pentax K-S2 (weatherized!). Sony A68.

Mirrorless cameras: Lumix G7 or GX7. Olympus E-M10 II. Fuji XE-1, X-A3 (or XE-2 refurbished). Sony A6000.

All of them do their job just fine (as long as you don't start pixel peeping at your monitor) and differ mainly in the user experience (speed, autofocus, menu system).
Nikon and Canon have the biggest choice of lenses, but for your needs every brand has more than enough good lenses to choose from.

I know this might be not very helpful but you'll have to try them in your own hands, I'm afraid. Different strokes for different folks... For example I couldn't live without a viewfinder, no matter if optical or electronic, when shooting in bright sunlight. Some other people don't need that (and are pissed when they can't see shit on the display in the summer...)

Some starting points:
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/buying-guide-best-slrs-for-beginners-1251700

www.dpreview.com/buying-guides

Thanks for the insight! I pulled the trigger on the K-S2.

 

[Art Teitlebaum]

Thanks for the insight! I pulled the trigger on the K-S2.

Well done, good choice! Compact and weather sealed body that is a pleasure to use imo. If you want to get better lenses in the future, the DA limiteds are real beauties.
Have fun!

 

[jongkookie]

If y'all don't mind, can y'all please vote for the picture y'all prefer?

Before I start though, please don't look at the Flickr page as you might turn a certain bias once you see the metadata lol.

I'm not looking for composition, exposure, or whatever kind of critique, I just want y'all to look at both pics and tell me which one y'all prefer, I'll explain at the end why I'm doing this.

Both shots were done at 50 ISO, f/4, 1/200 SS and with an external flash... anyway here we go:





So why am I doing this?

Those two pictures are from the same camera but with a different lens and by having y'all blindly pick which one y'all prefer, I'm hoping to use that as a gauge towards the lens performance. Now I know y'all are wondering what lenses they are, so here it is:

Spoiler

1st pic - Vivitar Series 1 28-90mm
2nd pic - Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS aka the kit lens

I got the new lens this evening so I sorta wanted to do a controlled test at first and see what's up and see what y'all think. I've sorta got a free day tomorrow so I'm definitely gonna shoot more test shots and see how I like it.

 

[crazy monkey]

If y'all don't mind, can y'all please vote for the picture y'all prefer?

Before I start though, please don't look at the Flickr page as you might turn a certain bias once you see the metadata lol.

I'm not looking for composition, exposure, or whatever kind of critique, I just want y'all to look at both pics and tell me which one y'all prefer, I'll explain at the end why I'm doing this.

Both shots were done at 50 ISO, f/4, 1/200 SS and with an external flash... anyway here we go:





So why am I doing this?

Those two pictures are from the same camera but with a different lens and by having y'all blindly pick which one y'all prefer, I'm hoping to use that as a gauge towards the lens performance. Now I know y'all are wondering what lenses they are, so here it is:

Spoiler

1st pic - Vivitar Series 1 28-90mm
2nd pic - Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS aka the kit lens

I got the new lens this evening so I sorta wanted to do a controlled test at first and see what's up and see what y'all think. I've sorta got a free day tomorrow so I'm definitely gonna shoot more test shots and see how I like it.

Bottom one looks better.

 

[JadedWriter]

If y'all don't mind, can y'all please vote for the picture y'all prefer?

Before I start though, please don't look at the Flickr page as you might turn a certain bias once you see the metadata lol.

I'm not looking for composition, exposure, or whatever kind of critique, I just want y'all to look at both pics and tell me which one y'all prefer, I'll explain at the end why I'm doing this.

Both shots were done at 50 ISO, f/4, 1/200 SS and with an external flash... anyway here we go:





So why am I doing this?

Those two pictures are from the same camera but with a different lens and by having y'all blindly pick which one y'all prefer, I'm hoping to use that as a gauge towards the lens performance. Now I know y'all are wondering what lenses they are, so here it is:

Spoiler

1st pic - Vivitar Series 1 28-90mm
2nd pic - Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS aka the kit lens

I got the new lens this evening so I sorta wanted to do a controlled test at first and see what's up and see what y'all think. I've sorta got a free day tomorrow so I'm definitely gonna shoot more test shots and see how I like it.

These don't even look like they were taken at the same distance. The top one looks like you tried to do macro photography with a non macro lens and pushed the lens too close beyond the minimal focal distance and you just manual focused to get...something in focus. Were these handheld or on a tripod?

 

[GeeRad]

Bottom pic looks better, the top has a much smaller focus area.

 

[Ty4on]

If y'all don't mind, can y'all please vote for the picture y'all prefer?

Could you tweak the WB so they look the same? Top one is too cool.

Edit: Top one has a lot more vignetting and CA.

 

[jongkookie]

^WB is the same. I just set it to flash on the camera and LR says that both are at 6000.

But yeah the top one has vignetting and CA since it's a "vintage" lens. That's probably the only negative thing about it imo.

These don't even look like they were taken at the same distance. The top one looks like you tried to do macro photography with a non macro lens and pushed the lens too close beyond the minimal focal distance and you just manual focused to get...something in focus. Were these handheld or on a tripod?

Interesting that you caught that too. Both pics were on a tripod, and the only thing I did was a height adjustment for the 2nd pic to get a more similar frame as the first coz if I didn't, then the 2nd shot actually looks a little more wider than the 1st.

You might be right about the macro photography thing in the 1st one as IIRC that lens does macro at 28mm. I suppose a shot at 50mm would yield better results but tbf the top one is at 28mm while the bottom one is at 30mm so there shouldn't even be a huge difference(unless of course the 1st lens macro capabilities are causing it to show up that way).

So I imagine it's being caused by using a Nikon F to E adapter + lens on the 1st shot(since the adapter creates a 1.5-inch gap from the sensor and the lens) versus the native E-mount lens on the 2nd(where the gap is 0.5-inch).

 

[Ty4on]

Interesting that you caught that too. Both pics were on a tripod, and the only thing I did was a height adjustment for the 2nd pic to get a more similar frame as the first coz if I didn't, then the 2nd shot actually looks a little more wider than the 1st.

You might be right about the macro photography thing in the 1st one as IIRC that lens does macro at 28mm. I suppose a shot at 50mm would yield better results but tbf the top one is at 28mm while the bottom one is at 30mm so there shouldn't even be a huge difference(unless of course the 1st lens macro capabilities are causing it to show up that way).

So I imagine it's being caused by using a Nikon F to E adapter + lens on the 1st shot(since the adapter creates a 1.5-inch gap from the sensor and the lens) versus the native E-mount lens on the 2nd(where the gap is 0.5-inch).

It's probably the focus breathing. Try taking a landscape shot at 28mm with both.

^WB is the same. I just set it to flash on the camera and LR says that both are at 6000.

I was thinking actual WB of the picture. You'd adjust them differently in post either way.

 

[BlueTsunami]

If y'all don't mind, can y'all please vote for the picture y'all prefer?

Before I start though, please don't look at the Flickr page as you might turn a certain bias once you see the metadata lol.

I'm not looking for composition, exposure, or whatever kind of critique, I just want y'all to look at both pics and tell me which one y'all prefer, I'll explain at the end why I'm doing this.

Both shots were done at 50 ISO, f/4, 1/200 SS and with an external flash... anyway here we go:





So why am I doing this?

Those two pictures are from the same camera but with a different lens and by having y'all blindly pick which one y'all prefer, I'm hoping to use that as a gauge towards the lens performance. Now I know y'all are wondering what lenses they are, so here it is:

Spoiler

1st pic - Vivitar Series 1 28-90mm
2nd pic - Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS aka the kit lens

I got the new lens this evening so I sorta wanted to do a controlled test at first and see what's up and see what y'all think. I've sorta got a free day tomorrow so I'm definitely gonna shoot more test shots and see how I like it.

Bottom pic has the best presence. Draws the eye more.

Outside of the subjects orientation, there's a pronounced differemce in white balance and exposure between the two. The bottom picture is better exposed and color corrected.

 

[jongkookie]

It's probably the focus breathing. Try taking a landscape shot at 28mm with both.

I was thinking actual WB of the picture. You'd adjust them differently in post either way.

Lmao here I was thinking that I could do a controlled test by doing it in a "studio" setup, but it failed haha. Yeah, I'll grab a landscape shot tomorrow of both and post them up.

As for the WB, I purposely left them the same, as well as doing no edits on both pics, coz I was looking for opinions on overall IQ instead of framing or whatever else.

 

[Rentahamster]

Was your camera on auto white balance? Top one has a cool color cast.

 

[jongkookie]

Was your camera on auto white balance? Top one has a cool color cast.

Nope, I had it on the flash setting.

Wait, on an A7 does putting it on flash basically do the same as AWB? That's super weird if it's the case.

 

[Ty4on]

The lenses themselves can give a different color cast/temp. I was thinking of taking raws and doing spot WB or tweaking it till they looked as similar as you were able to make them.

 

[jongkookie]

The lenses themselves can give a different color cast/temp. I was thinking of taking raws and doing spot WB or tweaking it till they looked as similar as you were able to make them.

Yep, I figured the difference in WB and exposure is due to the lens, as well as the excessive vignetting that occurs.

I tried to tweak the WB and vignetting in LR and I think I got close, but it's a shitty Imgur jpg upload for now(click to make it bigger btw):



I think that's close enough right? If it is, I'll upload it to Flickr for full res and all that.

 

[milkham]

bottom

 

[Astral/H3X]

So I imagine it's being caused by using a Nikon F to E adapter + lens on the 1st shot(since the adapter creates a 1.5-inch gap from the sensor and the lens) versus the native E-mount lens on the 2nd(where the gap is 0.5-inch).

Nope. The adapter places the lens at the same distance from the sensor as it would have been if it were on an actual Nikon camera. It is that size to create that distance because that is specifically where it needs to be in order to focus properly. If it didn't, all of your focusing would be way past infinity, and nothing would ever be in focus.


As for the color bit, it's definitely true that each lens manufacturer tends to have it's "own" color balance. Nikons are bluer, Canons are yellower, and Pentax seems to be the most "accurate", right in the middle of the other two, and matches what the Sony expects pretty well.

 

[captive]

theres nothing in the top picture that can't be fixed to look like the bottom. The top one has more bokeh and smaller area of focus. The NASA is blurry on the top but in focus on the bottom.

 

[jongkookie]

I found out why the Vivitar has "framing issues" on a tripod... the adapter + lens is so fncking heavy, the lens causes the body to droop down give or take an inch. Since I don't use that lens and tripod much, so I kinda don't care that it droops down... but I do know there are better adapters with tripod collars on them so I might pick one up in the future just so I can balance it correctly.

Nope. The adapter places the lens at the same distance from the sensor as it would have been if it were on an actual Nikon camera. It is that size to create that distance because that is specifically where it needs to be in order to focus properly. If it didn't, all of your focusing would be way past infinity, and nothing would ever be in focus.


As for the color bit, it's definitely true that each lens manufacturer tends to have it's "own" color balance. Nikons are bluer, Canons are yellower, and Pentax seems to be the most "accurate", right in the middle of the other two, and matches what the Sony expects pretty well.

Huh, you definitely learn something new everyday. I didn't know that that's the main purpose of an adapter, I honestly just thought that the different mounting points were the cause for the adapters.

I do know about the color differences between the manufacturers but I've never really bothered to really examine it. Just that I originally tended to prefer Nikon's rendition than Canon... these days though, it doesn't really matter lol.

theres nothing in the top picture that can't be fixed to look like the bottom. The top one has more bokeh and smaller area of focus. The NASA is blurry on the top but in focus on the bottom.

You're right.

What I was really interested to see was y'all's preference to an unedited picture and surprisingly enough, it seems like the Sony kit lens is the winner.

It's not a scientific test of course but at least I know that the kit lens can produce good images in the right setting. A lot of people pegged it as terrible, wasn't worth it, or whatever, but it looks like you just need to put it in the right hands and it can do cool things too.

That said I still do prefer the Vivitar coz it's fast at f/2.8 and IMO has a much better IQ once you can get over the vignetting and CA. Thankfully I'm only using the kit lens for some basic product photography where AF is absolutely necessary, plus the company doesn't really care much for IQ so it'll work for me lol.

Anyway, now that I'm getting into AF... what are y'all's thoughts on DMF? I enjoyed using DMF today but I also found back-button focusing really useful... I guess it depends on the situation?

 

[Ty4on]

I remember the Sony FE kit lens being a bit of a sleeper. When the system was new the Zeiss 24-70 f4 was kind of a dog which made the 28-70 look a lot better. In most reviews they really weren't far off, the kit lens actually came on top in some iirc. I think it was quite popular with APS-C owners as well who picked it up used from A7 buyers getting the kit.

 

[cyborg009]

So I'm finally saving up for my first decent camera and want to ask if I should just get the a6000 with the 16-50mm + 55-210mm. Or the a6300 with the standard lens?

 

[JadedWriter]

I found out why the Vivitar has "framing issues" on a tripod... the adapter + lens is so fncking heavy, the lens causes the body to droop down give or take an inch. Since I don't use that lens and tripod much, so I kinda don't care that it droops down... but I do know there are better adapters with tripod collars on them so I might pick one up in the future just so I can balance it correctly.



Huh, you definitely learn something new everyday. I didn't know that that's the main purpose of an adapter, I honestly just thought that the different mounting points were the cause for the adapters.

I do know about the color differences between the manufacturers but I've never really bothered to really examine it. Just that I originally tended to prefer Nikon's rendition than Canon... these days though, it doesn't really matter lol.

If I'm not mistaken it's all about the flange distance. It's why they can't make a Canon to Nikon adapter.

So I'm finally saving up for my first decent camera and want to ask if I should just get the a6000 with the 16-50mm + 55-210mm. Or the a6300 with the standard lens?

Look into the Sony lens ecosystem. There are gaps and they're expensive. You save on the body, but my god you pay in lenses.