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[BluenoseGames]

Just watched Taken on Amazon Prime here in the UK and my god was it bad. I'm going to keep watching it though, solely because I have nothing else to watch on Tuesdays until Lucifer comes back.

 

[tearsintherain]

How the hell did a show like Incorporated fail to get a viewership? It was one of the best shows of 2016.

There's just way too much good sci fi TV on right now:

The Expanse
Westworld
Stranger Things
Killjoys
12 Monkeys
Dark Matter
Humans
100
Black Mirror
Orphan Black
Mr. Robot

And then there is all the comic book stuff which like doubles that list plus bad shows like APB, Emerald City, etc which still have viewers. For a new sci fi show to get the fans split amongst those shows its going to have to do something really different, I don't really know much about Incorporated but it looked like Gattaca basically.

Its even crazier when you think about all those shows above coming back PLUS stuff like Star Trek Discovery, American Gods, Twin Peaks, MST3K, Dimension 404, Hard Sun, Altered Carbon, Foundation, and probably a dozen more sci-fi/fantasy shows that are going to debut in the next 12 months.

 

[Geist-]

- ‘Incorporated’ Canceled By Syfy After One Season

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I was gonna say 1.8 but I'll lower that to 1.6 for Taken, it had the start of a new season of The Voice as a lead in so barring a collapse in The Voice's ratings there's no way it'll be fractional out the gate.

 

[kurahador]

I'm just glad The Good Place survived. Secretly one of the best show ever made.

 

[Penguin]

Hmm well not sure what to make of Taken seems decent enough, but also not great coming off of the voice lead-in

 

[mckmas8808]

None of the major movies nominated were huge hits.

It's unfortunate, but as long as the Oscars keep rewarding smaller films, a lot of people won't care. They may be the "right" films to nominate, but....

So happy to see Hollywood not sell out The Oscars yet.

 

[Danthrax]

Taken did 77 percent better than The Blacklist, for what it's worth.

CBS looked weak af last night. I'd say it's because it didn't lead off with a new episode of BBT but that usually doesn't matter; the repeats always get good numbers, too — except last night. Weird.

 

[Penguin]

So can we put out an APB for the death of APB yet?

 

[Cornballer]

- THR: 'Modern Family' in Limbo: Actors Without New Contracts as Season 8 Wraps

This far into a series’ run, the network (rather than the studio) traditionally funds most of production as part of its licensing agreement; though just how much is currently in question. In the case of Modern Family, that price tag is hefty, thanks in large part to the already rich salaries being paid to the award-winning ensemble. In its eight season, which is now airing, the stars of Levitan (who is directing the season finale) and Christopher Lloyd’s hit half-hour are said to be making roughly $350,000 per episode as well as getting a cut of the series’ profits. They will no doubt demand considerably more to continue. Both the network and studio, which technically have until mid-May to make a decision about the show's fate, declined to comment.

Those cast paychecks became public ahead of Modern Family’s fourth season, when all six actors banded together and sought sizable raises. That process was neither quick nor civil, with heated talks prompting a lawsuit (the actors sued 20th TV to get out of their contracts, which they claimed violated California's law against deals lasting more than seven years) during the summer of 2012. Ultimately, the cast reached a deal that included back-end profits (a new perk for all but O’Neill) and significantly more money with each passing season; in exchange, the actors agreed to add an eighth season to their collective contracts. Later that same summer, the child stars inked raises of their own.

Modern Family’s significance to both its studio and network shouldn't be underestimated. In its eight season, the series may be down from its early years, but still it's ABC's top-rated show — and primetime's No. 2 comedy — with an average 4.0 rating among the key 18-to-49 demo. That prolonged success has translated to ad revenue, too, with 30-second spots reportedly selling for more than $200,000 this season. For 20th TV, the series is not only a calling card to help lure other creators to the studio, but a billion-dollar property courtesy of rich syndication deals with outlets including USA.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Looks like people turned the TV off after the bachelor went off. I didnt know if there was really an interest in something like When We Rise when its like we're living in such a way daily that people might want something entertaining and dumb they could escape too and turn their brains off at night instead (like Quantico).

 

[vypek]

I was telling my cousin last year that I could see Modern Family ending in a few years because of how long its run and how expensive it must be getting. I wonder if they'll strike another deal. If not I guess another comedy would easily slide into that space since ABC doesn't seem short on them. Don't know if that would really hurt them too badly or not.

 

[BronsonLee]

I just want to officially yell at Ed O'Neill for having two extremely successful shows

 

[Patryn]

I was telling my cousin last year that I could see Modern Family ending in a few years because of how long its run and how expensive it must be getting. I wonder if they'll strike another deal. If not I guess another comedy would easily slide into that space since ABC doesn't seem short on them. Don't know if that would really hurt them too badly or not.

Isn't the Middle close to Modern Family in ratings? I know it's just as old, but...

Spoiler

The Middle is also just plain better than Modern Family

 

[Cornballer]

- Deadline: ‘Feud’ Gets Season 2 Order Ahead Of FX Series Premiere; Charles & Diana In Spotlight

FX’s latest series from Ryan Murphy doesn’t premiere until Sunday, but Round 2 of Feud already is set. The cable net said today that it has ordered a 10-episode second season of the anthology project, this time focusing on England’s sweethearts Prince Charles and Princess Diana.

Set to air next year, Feud: Charles and Diana will be written by Ryan and Jon Rabin Baitz (The Slap), who executive produce the series with Dede Gardner, Plan B Entertainment and Alexis Martin Woodall. Fox 21 TV Studios is the producer. Baitz is a consulting producer on Ryan and FX’s Katrina: American Crime Story and created the 2006-11 ABC drama Brothers & Sisters.

 

[Linkura]

Looks like people turned the TV off after the bachelor went off. I didnt know if there was really an interest in something like When We Rise when its like we're living in such a way daily that people might want something entertaining and dumb they could escape too and turn their brains off at night instead (like Quantico).

The Bachelor isn't exactly a fantastic lead-in for that kind of programming.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Hmm well not sure what to make of Taken seems decent enough, but also not great coming off of the voice lead-in

Guess it was a good call on my end to check my expectations.

 

[vypek]

Isn't the Middle close to Modern Family in ratings? I know it's just as old, but...

Spoiler

The Middle is also just plain better than Modern Family

Are they? I'm not sure. I know Modern Family gets the best viewing but I'm not sure how far behind anything else on that night is.

 

[morningbus]

What's the strongest performing 10pm show across the networks now?

 

[Joni]

Taken started lower than Timeless.

 

[kevin1025]

- Deadline: ‘Feud’ Gets Season 2 Order Ahead Of FX Series Premiere; Charles & Diana In Spotlight

Now that could be a hell of a season, can't wait. We will soon have all-year-round Murphy FX shows, haha.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Taken - 1.9

1.1.

Taken - 1.7

Taken - 1.1.

Taken: 0.9

Taken 1.2

Taken 1.5

Wrong!

Taken got a 1.6 so

I was gonna say 1.8 but I'll lower that to 1.6 for Taken, it had the start of a new season of The Voice as a lead in so barring a collapse in The Voice's ratings there's no way it'll be fractional out the gate.

is the winner!

 

[Danthrax]

What's the strongest performing 10pm show across the networks now?

Chicago Fire on NBC, most recently with a 1.6. (Taken just debuted to a 1.6 but you know that won't last.)

Not far behind are How to Get Away With Murder, which had a 1.4 most recently, and Chicago PD with a 1.3.

 

[Mix Master]

Young people have bad taste confirmed (I blame Marvel movies).

Lol do you blame marvel for the drug epidemic also?

 

[vinnygambini]

24 Legacy keeps on plunging like damn.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Lol do you blame marvel for the drug epidemic also?

I could if I wanted to, since in this day and age you don't need facts, only feelings!!!



However I will say that this Superhero epidemic is bad for creativity and thus profits for better films than generic comic book movie #37....

Spoiler

I actually like a few super hero films, but I extremely dislike the MCU (and DCU) because they were poorly implemented yet continue to make mountains of profit instead of investing the money in something more worthwhile than comic book properties.

 

[Mix Master]

I could if I wanted to, since in this day and age you don't need facts, only feelings!!!



However I will say that this Superhero epidemic is bad for creativity and thus profits for better films than generic comic book movie #37....

Spoiler

I actually like a few super hero films, but I extremely dislike the MCU (and DCU) because they were poorly implemented yet continue to make mountains of profit instead of investing the money in something more worthwhile than comic book properties.

You do understand that these cape films aren't taking money from anything else. Pretty sure Disney and Warner are well off regardless.

 

[Rhaknar]

Mindhunter teaser, David Fincher's Netflix show coming October 2017

had no idea about this, teaser is slick as hell.

 

[berzeli]

Mindhunter teaser, David Fincher's Netflix show coming October 2017

had no idea about this, teaser is slick as hell.

I'm just going to pretend it's season 4 of Hannibal. The visual (i.e. the blood splatter thing) sure helps with that.

 

[kurahador]

Mindhunter teaser, David Fincher's Netflix show coming October 2017

had no idea about this, teaser is slick as hell.

I saw someone eating Anna Torv....sold.

 

[Penguin]

Got to feel bad for Riverdale, it's one time to shine and it gets knocked out by not-SoTU

 

[Rhaknar]

I saw someone eating Anna Torv....sold.

wait what?

oh...

 

[Linkura]

Is that Riverdale doing just as well as a rerun as compared to a new episode?

 

[Danthrax]

Got to feel bad for Riverdale, it's one time to shine and it gets knocked out by not-SoTU

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Fast-Demo-2017-Feb-28.TUE_.png

It wasn't even a new episode, though.

 

[Slayven]

I was telling my cousin last year that I could see Modern Family ending in a few years because of how long its run and how expensive it must be getting. I wonder if they'll strike another deal. If not I guess another comedy would easily slide into that space since ABC doesn't seem short on them. Don't know if that would really hurt them too badly or not.

Kids not being cute anymore doesn't help. Luke now seems like a creepy dumb ass.

- Deadline: ‘Feud' Gets Season 2 Order Ahead Of FX Series Premiere; Charles & Diana In Spotlight

Has that ever backfired? Ordering a new series before the even launched?

 

[Penguin]

It wasn't even a new episode, though.

Oh I know, but the Flash is a much higher profile lead-in than Supernatural

 

[Cornballer]

Has that ever backfired? Ordering a new series before the even launched?

I can't think of an example of where it backfired, though I assume it's happened somewhere. Recent examples include Stranger Things, Mr. Robot, Outcast, and Ash vs. Evil Dead. Most of the time they do this they're either extremely confident in the material/ratings success or it's a big budget project where they planned on making multiple seasons anyway for financial reasons (already have the cast on board, sets built, etc...) Even if it does backfire, it's probably easier to cover up since you wouldn't be canceling until after the second season, by which time a lot of people probably forgot that you gambled big on it and made a mistake.

In FX's case, they're all-in on Ryan Murphy, so he can seemingly do whatever he wants at this point. Related from Warming Glow: The Ryan Murphy Heat Check Is In Full Effect Right Now

Just look at Murphy’s current dance card. The first season of Feud — his new anthology series about famous feuds throughout history, which starts with Joan Crawford and Bette Davis — doesn’t premiere until next week, and he’s already announced that the second season will focus on Charles and Diana and the British royal family. This might strike you as a wee bit ambitious, until you realize that American Crime Story, with just the one season in the books so far, already has its next three seasons mapped out: one on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, one on the murder of Gianni Versace, and the aforementioned season about the Clinton-Lewinsky fiasco, which I was not kidding about and must star John Travolta as Bill Clinton — reprising his Primary Colors role — or I will literally spit on the floor in anger.

And as if this all wasn’t enough, Murphy also announced that American Horror Story — his original FX anthology series, the one that has given us scary asylums and scary hotels and an opening credits sequence that featured a stop-motion evil clown that had boot-clad swinging third leg for a penis — will address the 2016 Presidential election next season. Kind of. Not directly, as some originally thought and/or dreamed, with Trump and Clinton possessed by warring red-eyed helldemons or something, but also not not directly.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

I saw someone eating Anna Torv....sold.

I had only ever seen her in Fringe before she had that wild sex scene in The Pacific.

Damn.

Yep, I'm in.

 

[abundant]

Oh I know, but the Flash is a much higher profile lead-in than Supernatural

I think what he means is that reruns on the CW always have horrible ratings. Even their golden child The Flash (reruns) can't muster up anything above 0.3.

 

[morningbus]

Yeah, Id argue that a .3 for a Riverdale rerun is actually kind of good all things considered.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I can't think of an example of where it backfired, though I assume it's happened somewhere. Recent examples include Stranger Things, Mr. Robot, Outcast, and Ash vs. Evil Dead. Most of the time they do this they're either extremely confident in the material/ratings success or it's a big budget project where they planned on making multiple seasons anyway for financial reasons (already have the cast on board, sets built, etc...) Even if it does backfire, it's probably easier to cover up since you wouldn't be canceling until after the second season, by which time a lot of people probably forgot that you gambled big on it and made a mistake.

Magic City was probably an error for Starz. Luck was also essentially renewed at or before launch before being cancelled over the animal concerns and poor ratings. Those are two recent examples, but it's difficult to say how much costs they actually incurred by renewing versus waiting. Magic City may have still been profitable, and my guess would be Luck's cancellation was force majeure and so they probably didn't pay any financial penalty for unrenewing it.

 

[Cornballer]

Magic City was probably an error for Starz. Luck was also essentially renewed at or before launch before being cancelled over the animal concerns and poor ratings. Those are two recent examples, but it's difficult to say how much costs they actually incurred by renewing versus waiting. Magic City may have still been profitable, and my guess would be Luck's cancellation was force majeure and so they probably didn't pay any financial penalty for unrenewing it.

Good pull! I forgot about those. You can add Boss on Starz to the list, as well. That was renewed for S2 before it premiered and subsequently canceled after S2. The show never got a lot of buzz or ratings, but it did get Starz their first few awards nominations. Might be able to spin it as a loss leader rather than an error.

 

[Danthrax]

I think what he means is that reruns on the CW always have horrible ratings. Even their golden child The Flash (reruns) can't muster up anything above 0.3.

Right, so it's not like The CW was trying hard in the first place.

 

[Cornballer]

- ‘Eyewitness’ Canceled By USA After One Season

USA Network has opted not to order a second season of crime thriller anthology Eyewitness. The series, from Shades Of Blue creator Adi Hasak adapted from the Norwegian drama Øyevitne, was an experiment for USA. It was done under a different business model — given a 10-episode straight-to-series order at a reduced budget. The serialized murder story was designed as a companion to USA’s venerable off-network crime drama procedural Law & Order: SVU on Sunday.

Despite solid reviews and a strong performance by Julianne Nicholson, the series did not hold as much of the SVU audience as the network had hoped. Eyewitness ranks as the second lowest rated original series on USA, a tad ahead of fellow freshman Falling Water. There is not decision yet on the latter, also a bubble show, with a pending deal at Amazon boosting its renewal changes.

In Season 1, Eyewitness followed two small-town teenage boys who, while hooking up in a cabin, witness a murder. Catherine Hardwicke directed the first two hours of the series, produced by Universal Cable Prods.

I...um...have never heard of this show.

 

[Rhaknar]

Vampire Diaries season 1 is hella fun, fuck all of youse!

I want to find out that Morningbus is secretly a Vampire Diaries (or some other schlock show) fan. That would be better than finding our Durante likes anime.

I just realised Archer S8 is about to start and I still havent watched 7. That show is fun but it ran out of steam a while ago, as all shows that go on for this many seasons do I guess.

 

[morningbus]

Vampire Diaries season 1 is hella fun, fuck all of youse!

I want to find out that Morningbus is secretly a Vampire Diaries (or some other schlock show) fan. That would be better than finding our Durante likes anime.

Hey, I watch all the Arrowverse shows. I don't pretend my tastes are any more refined than anyone else's, just that everything can be shitty if you try hard enough.

Serious Sam is garbo, though. Straight garbo.

But this is as good a segue as I'll ever get so I'll present to you the statistics my MythTV HTPC keeps on my television recording habits. This is a year's worth of data.

Some of the shows on there are things my wife records. I say this not to pass blame, because, again, I watch trash, too.

 

[Rhaknar]

But do you enjoy the trash? You have to embrace it.

Embrace it like Ratsky embraces The Strain :3

 

[Yado]

I thought eyewitness was OK, hated the protagonists but they wrapped it up well enough so I'm fine with not getting a second season.

 

[morningbus]

But do you enjoy the trash? You have to embrace it.

Embrace it like Ratsky embraces The Strain :3

One of my favorite sci-fi shows is Sliders.

You merely adopted the trash. I was born in it, moulded by it.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Sliders was at least kind of decent until the Kromaggs came along.