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Alien Covenant - Trailer 2

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This was better than the first trailer. Still not completely convinced on it, the alien riding the jet was kinda too 'hollywood' for me.
 
Not sure if this was already posted, my apologies if so

http://collider.com/alien-covenant-spoilers-things-to-know/#creatures

(minor spoilers at the link, just from the production side)

My favorite takeaway:

Prepare yourself for a bloodbath. When asked about Ridley’s love for practical effects, Huffam said, “We’re ordering the blood in the 40-gallon drums rather than the 5-gallon drums.” O’Sullivan said, “I think I’ve used more blood on this than I did on Saving Private Ryan.”​
 
Goddamn that looks weak.

It's making all the same mistakes prometheus made with none of the minutely sprinkled intrigue their quest gave us.
 
GAMEPROFF said:
Doesnt make sense. The Delericht on LV-243 is there for centuries. The Jockey is fossilizied.
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It's already been retconned, Prometheus used to be a direct sequel to Alien. They'll always find a stupid excuse like "due to the atmosphere of this planet, things fossilize quicker".
 
I'm setting my expectations that this film is going to be just ok, my hope is that this film is amazing.

I'm the biggest alien/aliens fan in the world btw. I've watched Aliens probably 150+ times easily.
 
Jinroh said:
It's already been retconned, Prometheus used to be a direct sequel to Alien. They'll always find a stupid excuse like "due to the atmosphere of this planet, things fossilize quicker".
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Prometheus ist not a direct sequel. Its not even the same planetoid.
 
GAMEPROFF said:
Thats a lot blood for so few people. Dunno. I never saw Alien as a franchise that needs so much blood.
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CcrooK said:
40 gallons? Good lord. I guess we're in for a bloody ride then.
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They'll make it work. Everybody'll be housing truckload of blood.
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wesleyshark said:
Not sure if this was already posted, my apologies if so

http://collider.com/alien-covenant-spoilers-things-to-know/#creatures

(minor spoilers at the link, just from the production side)

My favorite takeaway:

Prepare yourself for a bloodbath. When asked about Ridley’s love for practical effects, Huffam said, “We’re ordering the blood in the 40-gallon drums rather than the 5-gallon drums.” O’Sullivan said, “I think I’ve used more blood on this than I did on Saving Private Ryan.”​
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also interesting info

Covenant is also a midpoint between the scale of Prometheus and the scares of Alien. “It’s got the scale of Prometheus, but also it brings in the suspense [of Alien]. The corridors get smaller, darker, and you’re just wondering what’s down there,” said Huffam. “It kind of takes very much the best of both those worlds and combines them

Because they’re going for a claustrophobic feel and Scott is shooting on anamorphic lenses, the sets had to be pretty strictly condensed. “If you can’t touch the ceiling, you won’t see it,” said Seagers. On the bridges, the ceilings maxed out at about 2 meters.
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Jinroh said:
It's already been retconned, Prometheus used to be a direct sequel to Alien. They'll always find a stupid excuse like "due to the atmosphere of this planet, things fossilize quicker".
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Minor timeline spoilers:
Covenant takes place 10yrs after Prometheus. There's two more films to go after Covenant before we catch up to Alien. It's entirely feasible to make the timeline work.
 
Wait, people count the AvP movies as Xenomorph look and behavior canon? They've always been non-committal spin-offs that are easily ignored in my book.
Which is how I classify Resurrection as well.

Anyhow, the new Xeno is certainly less bio-mechanical in appearance - I just hope there is a logical reason for it. It's a bummer seeing it act more like Cameron's Warriors in Aliens, as I wanted a more creepy film, but maybe Ridley Scott can pull it off like Cameron did.

Alien bashing its head against glass in brought daylight doesn't inspire a ton of hope though. None the less, I think the movie enjoyable.
 
Another familiar face will be back for Covenant: The iconic Xenomorph, as envisioned by H.R. Giger for the first Alien. The beast
will be a man in a suit with a puppeteered mouth, still utilizing rods and cable controls like Carlo Rambaldi did in 1979. We see some of these guys in the creatures department, where we also see familiar facehuggers and giant leathery eggs being manufactured. One of the effects guys spring-loads a facehugger and launches it right at the author, a dream come true to be sure.​

More minor production spoilers at link. I didn't read the whole thing, stopped at what I quoted above haha. Spoiler tagged the one line even though I don't think it's something that was unknown at this point.

Practical effects, baby. 🙏

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...to-the-alien-covenant-set#XAOQIsjymU03cRat.99
 
wesleyshark said:
Another familiar face will be back for Covenant: The iconic Xenomorph, as envisioned by H.R. Giger for the first Alien. The beast
will be a man in a suit with a puppeteered mouth, still utilizing rods and cable controls like Carlo Rambaldi did in 1979. We see some of these guys in the creatures department, where we also see familiar facehuggers and giant leathery eggs being manufactured. One of the effects guys spring-loads a facehugger and launches it right at the author, a dream come true to be sure.​
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I could watch the guy load that thing in the egg and press the button, and I'd still get scared shitless.
 
CadetMahoney said:
Why do all these far apart moon/planets have LV in front anyway?
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No meaning. Some say it's Leviticus and passages in the Bible but don't think that was the intention. Entirely possible Ridley did it deliberately with Prometheus though while sloshed on wine.
 
MickeyPhree said:
What is LV243

Lv223 is Prometheus.

Lv426 is alien and aliens.
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I never knew that Alien and Aliens took place on the same planet, and I've seen both movies many, many times.


The trailer was pretty good, although I hate those "blockbuster" scenes where serious shit is going on. You have a space ship spinning out of control, the protagonist dangling off of the edge, barely gripping a rope, explosions popping off, dramatic sweeping camera angles...like come on. Just keep the effects simple and practical. Scenarios like that detach me from reality in almost every movie. It feels like since the Star Wars prequels, big action/sci-fi/adventure movies have these grandiose scenarios that were never possible before CGI came in to its own, and now every action/adventure movie jumps on board with it.

Aliens was, at its heart, action horror. There were firefights, spaceships crashing, and even a mech battle. But it all felt grounded and authentic, since there was no abuse of CGI. It relied on its atmosphere and environment, more than the aliens at times, to create fear and a sense of desperate urgency to every action. I feel no fear or sense of urgency when I see a fucking CGI alien on the top of a space ship, spinning around in broad daylight. No Alien movie should be an action blockbuster first and foremost.
 
elwes said:
I never knew that Alien and Aliens took place on the same planet, and I've seen both movies many, many times.
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The whole premise of Aliens is that in the time Ripley was in cryo, they've attempted to colonize the planet she had landed on with the alien. That's why she freaks out and demands to go with them when they lose contact with the colonists.
 
Absoludacrous said:
The whole premise of Aliens is that in the time Ripley was in cryo, they've attempted to colonize the planet she had landed on with the alien. That's why she freaks out and demands to go with them when they lose contact with the colonists.
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She didn't demand to go with Gorman, the marines, and Carter Burke. They asked her, she said no. Nightmares got too bad and she decided to face her fear head on.
 
MickeyPhree said:
She didn't demand to go with Gorman, the marines, and Carter Burke. They asked her, she said no. Nightmares got too bad and she decided to face her fear head on.
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The extended cut goes further into this. She see's photos of her daughter as an old woman, a long emotion scene before she goes to bed and has more nightmares which contribute to her actually voluntarily calling Burke and saying she wants in as long as they go to exterminate them.
 
One Eyed Willy said:
The extended cut goes further into this. She see's photos of her daughter as an old woman, a long emotion scene before she goes to bed and has more nightmares which contribute to her actually voluntarily calling Burke and saying she wants in as long as they go to exterminate them.
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"Not to study. Not to bring back. But to wipe them out."
 
One Eyed Willy said:
The extended cut goes further into this. She see's photos of her daughter as an old woman, a long emotion scene before she goes to bed and has more nightmares which contribute to her actually voluntarily calling Burke and saying she wants in as long as they go to exterminate them.
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I disagree, that's one of the reasons the special edition is garbage, 'Ripley had an actual daughter' is a pretty cheap retcon (she clearly never had a daughter in Alien, they literally discuss what they're going to do when home and she isn't mentioned), IMO makes it less likely she would care as much about her career and going back to the planet, and it actually makes the already slightly on the nose 'mother' thing with Newt worse, like she's using this girl as a replacement daughter.
 
MickeyPhree said:
I don't get how you miss that. It's the whole basis for the second fucking movie as stated in the two posts above.
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To be fair, he probably only saw the theatrical cut. In the extended version it is much more obvious that it is the same planet. Newt's family drives right up to the derelict ship and the parents head inside. We later see the dad with a facehugger on him and Newt screaming in the background.
 
D.Lo said:
I disagree, that's one of the reasons the special edition is garbage, 'Ripley had an actual daughter' is a pretty cheap retcon (she clearly never had a daughter in Alien, they literally discuss what they're going to do when home and she isn't mentioned), IMO makes it less likely she would care as much about her career and going back to the planet, and it actually makes the already slightly on the nose 'mother' thing with Newt worse, like she's using this girl as a replacement daughter.
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Her explicity having a daughter isn't exclusive to the special edition, you just get the added scene of her finding out about her daughter's death at the beginning, instead of the reveal to Newt later on. It's a pretty nice scene imo.

In the context of Alien it doesn't make much sense to have a daughter, but it worked for the story in Aliens. While she definitely cares for Newt especially in the context of her own daughter, she wasn't "using" her.
 
D.Lo said:
I disagree, that's one of the reasons the special edition is garbage, 'Ripley had an actual daughter' is a pretty cheap retcon (she clearly never had a daughter in Alien, they literally discuss what they're going to do when home and she isn't mentioned), IMO makes it less likely she would care as much about her career and going back to the planet, and it actually makes the already slightly on the nose 'mother' thing with Newt worse, like she's using this girl as a replacement daughter.
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I don't disagree with you at all. I think the special edition ruins the Ripley/Newt relationship by leaning way too far into Ripley's daughter earlier in the film. Cameron was smart to cut it and leave it more to the imagination. But I don't care too much because to me, Aliens (my favorite film) doesn't even matter to me in the context of Ripley.. her character is cool and was badass. But Aliens has Hicks, Hudson and Vasquez, maybe even Apone. These 4 are the stars of the film IMO. The 4 of them each started character tropes that have yet to be topped to this day.

Pretty much every sci-fi movie or game with marines has tried and failed to replicate all 4 of these characters. So much so that younger kids/teens today who watch Aliens for the first time are bored with the marine characters seeing them as same 'ol shit, not realizing these motherfuckers paved the way. Movie is a goddamn masterpiece IMO.
 
Gravidee said:
To be fair, he probably only saw the theatrical cut. In the extended version it is much more obvious that it is the same planet. Newt's family drives right up to the derelict ship and the parents head inside. We later see the dad with a facehugger on him and Newt screaming in the background.
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Are you kidding me? Did we forget the whole scene where Ripley is basically on trial where the company itself says they put hadleys hope on the same planet? I mean come on.
 
If there are eggs in the movie like I never understood this;

In Aliens they were abducting people for cocooning. So if there's a queen on the planet (there are eggs..) then the aliens are trying to abduct not kill right?
 
Bobby Roberts said:
70 year old Ripley and Hicks go for a jog with some monsters is not a good idea.

It's just not.

I don't know how people can complain about the lack of innovation and ideas in the Alien series and then simultaneously praise the anti-creativity that is at the center of "uhh... Just pretend the 3rd one didn't happen and bring back Ripley. Again."

"But 70."

That's not an idea. That's a fucking reflex.
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Well Jesus, when you put it that way :( I guess I agree. I really love Alien 3 and the whole story behind it's production but yeah, Ripley's story should have ended with Aliens.
 
Ushojax said:
It's dumb. In 1979 the alien was a perfect organism that humanity stumbled across in the darker reaches of space, it's mysterious origins added to the terror.

40 years later we find out that they were actually just an experiment by one of the company's bored robots. Oh and humans were also made in a petri dish too, by some giant bald humanoids. Get it? Who are the real Aliens?!? /Ridley chugs another pint of wine
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Yeah, the entire premise of finding this completely unexplained perfect killing organism in deep space is bloody terrifying, and the more the backstory is explained the less interesting they become.

Gravidee said:
The crazy thing about all this is that both planets are located within the same solar system.
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I had just assumed they were the same planet, and the Engineer ship which crashes at the end of the film was setting up the derelict from Alien?

elwes said:
I never knew that Alien and Aliens took place on the same planet, and I've seen both movies many, many times.
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Seriously?! The entire premise is that Ripley, already experiencing PTSD, finds out that they colonised LV-426 (much of this detail may be in the Special Edition?) but she decides to face her fear head-on and accepts Burke's offer to return with the marines to lend her expertise to wipe them out.

D.Lo said:
I disagree, that's one of the reasons the special edition is garbage, 'Ripley had an actual daughter' is a pretty cheap retcon (she clearly never had a daughter in Alien, they literally discuss what they're going to do when home and she isn't mentioned), IMO makes it less likely she would care as much about her career and going back to the planet, and it actually makes the already slightly on the nose 'mother' thing with Newt worse, like she's using this girl as a replacement daughter.
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I don't mind that plot point. Ripley, effectively being a space trucker, could conceivably be away for months at a time. I don't think it really takes anything away from the plot of Aliens, although I haven't seen Alien in an awful long time, so there may be some disconnect between her dialogue in that film and the idea that she had a daughter.
 
I had just assumed they were the same planet, and the Engineer ship which crashes at the end of the film was setting up the derelict from Alien?
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Well, first off the planets look pretty different, with their own distinct names. And you also have the matter of the fossilized, dead engineer still in the cockpit, with a hole in his chest, and the melted passage leading to the eggs. None of which were in Prometheus.
 
NealMcCauley said:
Only major addition is this:

Alien-Covenant-Skinned-Engineer-.jpg
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Guillermo Del Toro was right when he said this new series direction greatly resembled his At the Mountains of Madness film.

This entire idea is straight out of that story, and the sketches on the wall basically resemble Lovecraft creatures from that story.
 
That room is apparently a lab where David has been experimenting with the black goo

Looks like a reanimated Engineer
 
elwes said:
The trailer was pretty good, although I hate those "blockbuster" scenes where serious shit is going on. You have a space ship spinning out of control, the protagonist dangling off of the edge, barely gripping a rope, explosions popping off, dramatic sweeping camera angles...like come on. Just keep the effects simple and practical. Scenarios like that detach me from reality in almost every movie. It feels like since the Star Wars prequels, big action/sci-fi/adventure movies have these grandiose scenarios that were never possible before CGI came in to its own, and now every action/adventure movie jumps on board with it.

Aliens was, at its heart, action horror. There were firefights, spaceships crashing, and even a mech battle. But it all felt grounded and authentic, since there was no abuse of CGI. It relied on its atmosphere and environment, more than the aliens at times, to create fear and a sense of desperate urgency to every action. I feel no fear or sense of urgency when I see a fucking CGI alien on the top of a space ship, spinning around in broad daylight. No Alien movie should be an action blockbuster first and foremost.
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This. We go from a sneaky, creepy, unsettling creature to a giant brute literally headbutting its way in while figuratively shouting to the audience "look how scary I am!" I've lost any last shred of hope and faith I had in Ridley and this movie.
 
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