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SomewhatGroovy said:
This is getting hung up on the what and not the execution.




Not more...less!
Like, nothiong would have been lost without that kid killing the fucking moment.
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Also, how does them crossing the border stop a militia from getting them? I must have missed this.
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Canada wouldn't be happy about it

Also, one of the kids was talking to someone over a radio about satellite blind spots over the border so they'd be fine with their head start
 
Got to say, when Logan started talking about shooting himself with the adamantium bullet I was fairly shook. My Dad took his life via a gun so it hit close to home. What is strange is I'm normally fairly fine when suicide is mentioned in media, but this movie hit a nerve. In a fucked up way kind of enhanced the movie for me though as the whole thing felt extra emotional.
 
Just got back It took them doing an entirely different type of movie to do it but they managed to make a good X-men movie. This was the best one easily. It was this perfect blend of standalone movie and still having things that long time fans of the characters can chew because they understand the character's histories.

Biggest problems I had were
the last scene speech by Laura and the setup for it during the mid point of the movie and the hotel scene started off way too silly. I felt like they should have had something else for Laura to do than reciting the speech from the Western or had it be a terse, silent scene like Laura had for most of the film. Having that silence then them walking off with her turning the grave stone on its side to form the X would have been far more incredible of a scene, I think. Xavier's seizure starting when Logan was outside of the hotel and seeing him move through it was just a bit much. The core scene itself in the room was great but it didn't need him going through everyone, I thought.

I know folks are probably tired of it already but this movie reminds me of TLOU, specifically in tone and emotion. It's this very bleak atmosphere. The characters just trying to survive as best as they can but you can feel their dread and despair. They're then thrust into a new journey and given a glimmer of hope though because of a girl. Even though the entire situation is different, the emotional aspects of match-up really well. It's just the ending is different...
 
Shouta said:
I felt like they should have had something else for Laura to do than reciting the speech from the Western or had it be a terse, silent scene like Laura had for most of the film. Having that silence then them walking off with her turning the grave stone on its side to form the X would have been far more incredible of a scene, I think.
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I kinda agree that the full speech from Shane was a little much (at first I was wondering what the fuck it was she was reciting. Like "did she have a poem on deck or something?" before it dawned on me what it was), but I don't think silence would have played any better either. She'd gone so long without a voice at all in the movie, having her revert back to silence after becoming the only Wolverine left in existence wouldn't have fit very well, I don't think. It would have read as regression, not progression.

So while it's stretching credulity to assume the girl memorized all of Alan Ladd's dialog while hanging out with Charles in a hotel room one afternoon, I'll roll with it as opposed to the alternative.
 
I just came out of the theaters. The movie was very bleak. While I expected that from the trailers, I didn't expect it to be this dark.
I have always thought that marvel movies approach was to please the fans and the heroes always win and survive. In this movie everyone dies except the kids. It hit me pretty hard and I will really miss Logan as character! Is this story just a spin off? Or is it canon
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What is this, a superhero movie that's actually got a meaningful story and character development that makes my heart skip a beat at times?
 
Shouta said:
Just got back It took them doing an entirely different type of movie to do it but they managed to make a good X-men movie. This was the best one easily. It was this perfect blend of standalone movie and still having things that long time fans of the characters can chew because they understand the character's histories.

Biggest problems I had were
the last scene speech by Laura and the setup for it during the mid point of the movie and the hotel scene started off way too silly. I felt like they should have had something else for Laura to do than reciting the speech from the Western or had it be a terse, silent scene like Laura had for most of the film. Having that silence then them walking off with her turning the grave stone on its side to form the X would have been far more incredible of a scene, I think. Xavier's seizure starting when Logan was outside of the hotel and seeing him move through it was just a bit much. The core scene itself in the room was great but it didn't need him going through everyone, I thought.

I know folks are probably tired of it already but this movie reminds me of TLOU, specifically in tone and emotion. It's this very bleak atmosphere. The characters just trying to survive as best as they can but you can feel their dread and despair. They're then thrust into a new journey and given a glimmer of hope though because of a girl. Even though the entire situation is different, the emotional aspects of match-up really well. It's just the ending is different...
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I agree with the with how TLOU relates to this movie. It might have influenced this movie in a way, but Joel and Logan had a lot in common.
 
GameAddict411 said:
.I have always thought that marvel movies approach was to please the fans and the heroes always win and survive. In this movie everyone dies except the kids. It hit me pretty hard and I will really miss Logan as character! Is this story just a spin off? Or is it canon[/?
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Spoiler threads don't need black bars.

This isn't really a "marvel" movie. It uses Marvel characters, but Marvel Studios had no input into the story, so it has no obligation to abide by its style/tone.

And yes, this is the end of Logan and Charles' stories. At least in this timeline.

I'm sure they'll split off some other timeline somewhere down the road and recast those characters. Eventually.

GameAddict411 said:
It might have influenced this movie in a way, but Joel and Logan had a lot in common.
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It did not. They did not.
 
I really liked the Shane speech at the end because it showed you how much she not only cared for Logan, but Charles, too. Watching Shane with Charles resonated with her.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Spoiler threads don't need black bars.

This isn't really a "marvel" movie. It uses Marvel characters, but Marvel Studios had no input into the story, so it has no obligation to abide by its style/tone.

And yes, this is the end of Logan and Charles' stories. At least in this timeline.

I'm sure they'll split off some other timeline somewhere down the road and recast those characters. Eventually.



It did not. They did not.
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I saw that the mod put spoiler tags on his/her post
 
Einchy said:
I really liked the Shane speech at the end because it showed you how much she not only cared for Logan, but Charles, too. Watching Shane with Charles resonated with her.
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For that extra bit of authenticity I feel like the picture on the hotel flatscreen needed to be cropped to 16x9 and then streeetched out on the sides anyway.

With closed captioning you can't shut off.

GameAddict411 said:
I saw that the mod put spoiler tags on his/her post
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Isn't necessary. It's a spoiler thread. No big deal, just letting you know.
 
I liked the movie but im glad Wolverine is done. Or at least I hope he is done for a while. I get it he is popular but his powerset isnt the be all and end all of the X universe. We had 3 wolverines in this movie. I think i would have liked it better if the kid he had to escort was made from Cyclops or Jean and the X-23 showed up in the group of other kids with a good action scene.
 
And here we are back at TLOU posting. Ugh.
For those posting the comparisons, perhaps an explanation of how Borderlands was also an influence on Fury Road just to cover all the bases. I am sure there was never anything tonally similar to these films before those games.

ryutaro's mama said:
For my own sanity, I gotta stop responding to Logan - TLOU comparison posts in this thread.
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I am trying. Failing at the moment though.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
For that extra bit of authenticity I feel like the picture on the hotel flatscreen needed to be cropped to 16x9 and then streeetched out on the sides anyway.

With closed captioning you can't shut off.
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I liked how they used a curved screen cus it's futuristic and shit.

Speaking of futury shit, I REALLY liked the design of those self-driving trucks. Seeing just the back of sixteen wheelers speeding down highways was a bit eerie for some reason.
 
Media that influenced Logan, according to its filmmakers:

Shane
Unforgiven
The Cowboys
The Wrestler
Hanna
La Femme Nikita

The loose concept of an older Logan hiding out was taken from Old Man Logan (nothing else from the story was taken beyond that, really)

That's basically it. The Last of Us was not an inspiration. I believe Mangold has recently given an interview saying he didn't even know what it was until after the first trailer had been released. Although he's since played the game and says he likes it - but is nothing like his movie.
 
The fucking farmhouse part of the film was intense. Easily my favorite part of the film. All the way from the horses on the highway to the farmer dropping his shotgun, it was pure thrilling cinema.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Media that influenced Logan, according to its filmmakers:

Shane
Unforgiven
The Cowboys
The Wrestler
Hanna
La Femme Nikita

The loose concept of an older Logan hiding out was taken from Old Man Logan (nothing else from the story was taken beyond that, really)

That's basically it. The Last of Us was not an inspiration. I believe Mangold has recently given an interview saying he didn't even know what it was until after the first trailer had been released. Although he's since played the game and says he likes it - but is nothing like his movie.
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Rearrange the letters in those movies and you get "it was the last of us"
 
Do they say in the movie that only her claws are metal or is that from the comics? I don't remember that being talked about.
 
I didn't remember it either, but someone in here said they hard some medical speak regarding the adamantium being added to her body during the phone-flashback, I think?

I know in the comics it's just the claws.

ryutaro's mama said:
Wait...X23 didn't get her entire body coated in Adamandium like Logan? Also, what is the deal with her foot claws?
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Charles goes on this weird extended riff about her foot claws specifically, doesn't he? "Logan, in nature, actual wolverines, something something FEET something something BABIES"
 
Seeing R-rated movies here (Vietnam) can be a real drag. There were at least 3 abrupt cuts in the action due to censoring: the back half of the beginning fight with the Mexicans, Laura escaping from the grunts in Logans base, evil Wolverine being shot in the head. I'm guessing there were more, but the editing must have been smoother to not notice.

Weirdly, Logan being impaled on a tree made it through, as well as some other gun shots.

Did any of the spanish have subtitles? They don't bother to translate that over here.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I didn't remember it either, but someone in here said they hard some medical speak regarding the adamantium being added to her body during the phone-flashback, I think?

I know in the comics it's just the claws.



Charles goes on this weird extended riff about her foot claws specifically, doesn't he? "Logan, in nature, actual wolverines, something something FEET something something BABIES"
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Something about females using front claws to attack and rear claws to defend
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I didn't remember it either, but someone in here said they hard some medical speak regarding the adamantium being added to her body during the phone-flashback, I think?

I know in the comics it's just the claws.



Charles goes on this weird extended riff about her foot claws specifically, doesn't he? "Logan, in nature, actual wolverines, something something FEET something something BABIES"
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Yeah, he talks about how lioness use their hind claws for hunting and their front ones for fighting.
Fixed2BeBroken said:
this is loosely based off of Old man logan right? she and the kids were not in that comic, so its not from there.
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I might be talking out of my ass but I've seen people say that this has nothing to do with Old Man Logan, and I once saw a video that described the plot of the comic, and this seems completely different. OLM is set in a post-apologetic future where superheroes took over chunks of America, I think.
 
I kinda wish they didn't cannibalize that Magneto solo film for First Class now. Could've been a nice addition to their rated R slate of X-Men films.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Not really. The only thing Mangold took from that book is "Logan is old & run down & hiding somewhere"

His characterization doesn't match, his motivation doesn't match, and the plot is completely different.
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yea i know the plot and everything is completely diff but I thought he took the old logan character from that book
 
Smokey_Run said:
I kinda wish they didn't cannibalize that Magneto solo film for First Class now. Could've been a nice addition to their rated R slate of X-Men films.
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Frankenstein's Monster is still one of my all time favorite scenes from the X series. So well done.

White House assault in X2 is the best I have ever seen in an X movie...yes, even better than the Quiksilver scene.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
yea i know the plot and everything is completely diff but I thought he took the old logan character from that book
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Not even that. The Old Logan in that book is a pacifist who hates fighting and hasn't popped claws in a long time (for a good reason).

This Logan is conflicted, but in a completely different way.

Reading interviews, it really does seem like he basically read Old Man Logan and was like "Oh, I like the idea of him being old and hiding out in a desert somewhere" and that was about it.
 
I think this movie is a better crafted movie than TDK. Not to say it's some cinema masterpiece, but IMO it's the best comic book movie out there.

Edit: After some cooling off and thinking about how the Logan double felt a bit contrived, I will have to retract my statement. However I do think it's the best Marvel comic book movie so far, with Winter Soldier at a close second.

Things I like

-Actual human moments

-Natural feeling dialogue between Logan and Charles

-The movie took its time. I don't mean it kept me waiting. It wasn't afraid of dialogue like every single comic book movie is. It let the movie breathe with well constructed writing and shooting. The Avengers and all the others dip their toes in this water, but you can always feel the editor's impatience. Because they think people don't want scenes with no combat action, they invest nothing in making those scenes compelling. Just close up shot reverse shot, have the actors spew their shit and get on with it. Marvel movies do nothing with scenes that aren't action. So you get movies that are "cool" but not rewatchable because the shit in between is just schlock.

-It didn't feel the need to shout its themes to its viewers (save for a couple of moments which were cake icing anyway). This is baby stuff for movies that aren't comic book movies (looking at you especially, TDK), but I still wanted to praise it for that.

-Very little exposititory dialogue that feels unnatural. A lot of pop movies will start in medias but will sneak in a lot of unnatural exposition as if forgetting.

-Well shot. Well edited on a scene by scene basis. Good direction imo. Every shot is clear and save for a few combat-action shots you can see the action clearly.


Things I was lukewarm on:


-Just a bit too much coughing.

-During combat I feel like the movie lost its visual edge over other Marvel Movies. While the camera was way more steady than than most other movies in this genre, the editing and framing were not very interesting. It felt a little like your standard Hollywood "action shooting.

-Yo ice girl, just because you froze that guy's arm doesn't mean can just smack it and shatter it. Ever smack a flash frozen tuna steak? I bet it would be very painful.

-I think the first third of the movie was paced a little too slow.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I kinda agree that the full speech from Shane was a little much (at first I was wondering what the fuck it was she was reciting. Like "did she have a poem on deck or something?" before it dawned on me what it was), but I don't think silence would have played any better either. She'd gone so long without a voice at all in the movie, having her revert back to silence after becoming the only Wolverine left in existence wouldn't have fit very well, I don't think. It would have read as regression, not progression.

So while it's stretching credulity to assume the girl memorized all of Alan Ladd's dialog while hanging out with Charles in a hotel room one afternoon, I'll roll with it as opposed to the alternative.
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Yeah having her not saying anything again after opening up to Logan would have been a bad regression. Though it took me till after the movie to realized what she was reciting. Idk, I would have liked for her to say something else. I just don't know what.
 
Got back. Liked it but the faux-Logan was too much. I understand thematically why this was done but it still felt a bit too comicbooky.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Just the claws are coated. So I guess they'll stay that size forever? I dunno.

They don't make logical sense anyway, really.
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In the comic X-23 skeleton isn't coated with adamantium, not sure if they kept that the same in the movie. If they did, that might help in the future. Since she doesn't have as much adamantium like Logan, she might have a much easier time healing through it poisonous effect.

My question is, if she continues to grow. Obviously her bones would grow as well (her claws). Does the adamantium expands somehow to continue covering the surface of the claws or will it show cracks. I assume its the former. #SpeedForceLogic
 
"Oh Laura are you having growing pains again it's ok just drink this green magic serum and it'll be fine. Just don't drink it all at once, even though doing so will have no adverse effects." There. The adamantium isn't a problem at all.
 
BTW, those of you confused about Zander Rice and his dad, it's definitely NOT Stryker.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Zander_Rice_(Earth-616)

Dale Rice, Zander's father, worked on the original Weapon X Project where he was killed by an escaping Wolverine as he fled with a briefcase full of information about the project. The briefcase along with Dale's damaged dog tags were picked up by Dr. Martin Sutter, a colleague of his. Dr. Sutter gave a young Zander the dog tags and comforted him. His father's death is shown to heavily affect Zander throughout the rest of his life.[citation needed]

Years later Zander, now called Dr. Rice, became the surgical head on a project to recreate the Weapon X procedure along with Dr. Martin Sutter, who he had come to see as a father figure. At first they were unsuccessful as all of the specimens died during the procedure.
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