What are they going to fuck? we've had exactly two good films in this franchise and everything after 1986 has gotten progressively worse. Whatever dumb shit he comes up with shouldn't change how good the original two films are.
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What are they going to fuck? we've had exactly two good films in this franchise and everything after 1986 has gotten progressively worse. Whatever dumb shit he comes up with shouldn't change how good the original two films are.
You're in the minority with that TFA opinion so they certainly didn't fuck the franchise with it.
Also the franchise has been shit for 25 years. There's nothing to fuck up anymore.
It still destroys the mythos surrounding the Xenomorph. The movies are shit, that may be true, but the creature and the fact that we know so few about and the amazing lifecycle is what it makes so factinating.
And thats just something a shitty Michael Fassbender bred in a tube makes this mythos not working as good anymore.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
1992 was the last time this series succeeded in any of its storytelling goals, and that "success" was a broken, fucked up little thing that only managed to survive its studio meddling through whatever residual strengths of Fincher's survived the edit, along with Weaver's (at the time) swan song (literally) performance.
1992.
Everything since then has been either total self parody (Resurrection, AvP 1 & 2) or confused, indulgent, dumb-as-fuck grasping at profundity (Prometheus).
People will point to Isolation, but even that only succeeds because it's a game, and can rely on atmosphere and immersion in a way none of the films can. The story of Isolation isn't good, and isn't executed all that well on top of that, either. It's a so-so Dark Horse Comic "what-if" that you get to run through in first person.
It's one of my favorite games ever because of how amazing that atmosphere and immersion is. But the story is tertiary to why it works.
1992.
Everything since then has been either total self parody (Resurrection, AvP 1 & 2) or confused, indulgent, dumb-as-fuck grasping at profundity (Prometheus).
People will point to Isolation, but even that only succeeds because it's a game, and can rely on atmosphere and immersion in a way none of the films can. The story of Isolation isn't good, and isn't executed all that well on top of that, either. It's a so-so Dark Horse Comic "what-if" that you get to run through in first person.
It's one of my favorite games ever because of how amazing that atmosphere and immersion is. But the story is tertiary to why it works.
Because this franchise hasn't been fucked with by literally every single cinematic release after 1986.
Does Ridley not get that this weakens the original Alien? Like yeesh, you watch the scene with the derelict ship after Prometheus and not does the scene with the Space Jockey lose its wonder (because you know it's an engineer from a race of aliens that created humanity), but now we have Covenant muddying the waters even more.
I mean damn, come on!
I mean damn, come on!
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What I meant to say is they're going to fuck it MORE. Anything past 3 doesn't even exist to me.
It weakens nothing really. For 20+ years I've easily pretended there are only two Alien movies.
Ridley Scott can make his fan fiction if he wants.
I dont even remember what exactly happened. I am thinking more about the franchise in the last weeks but I seriously cant remember how the new Xenomorph arrived on Sevastopol and why Weyland-Yutani would bring it there (when I remember that part correctly)
I really do not see it weakening the first. If there was any weaken, it started in Aliens and just continued down when they took the Alien, removed the human elements from it, and turned it into a simple drone/queen.
Every director has had their new twist or input on the franchise, adding to it. Some wasn't bad, some was terrible. But if we're talking about the high point, It's all been downhill since Alien.
Bobby Roberts
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I can't remember anyone but Gorman (who isn't Gorman but it's Gorman), Samuels (what a lovely droid) and uh... the young kid who helps you get out of the basement decks when Gorman tries to trap you in there with the Alien. Whatever his name is.
There's a scientist with glasses, too?
Oh, and Ransome. Because he's the slimy fucker who screwed everyone over, and he's part of the DLC.
If I can ignore all the dumb shit that happens post Aliens so can everyone else. If anything this doesn't sound as dumb as making clones of Ripley and some weird toddler alien.
Preach.
Preach.
Back then, it was accident. everyone could have stumble upon it :/
But it turned out the company sent them there to bring back a sample (at the cost of human life if need be), no? That implies they knew about the aliens long before that.
I always thought that Ash got his orders after they discovered it
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm sure Ridley's got a retcon planned for how/why the Nostromo found/heard that beacon. In 1979, it was just that automation pulled them out of hypersleep due to catching the beacon, due to company rules. It really was an (un) happy accident. Once Ash told them what it was, the company was like "Okay, get that thing back here. We want it. Bad."
Now? There'll probably be some sort of shenaniganery behind that beacon's transmission - even though it was translated to be closer to a warning than a distress call.
Now? There'll probably be some sort of shenaniganery behind that beacon's transmission - even though it was translated to be closer to a warning than a distress call.
You are right that that is possible, but I don't think it ever was stated either way.
I forget, but did we ever find out who made that distress call? With all the retcons, it'd be weird for it to have been made by the engineer on the ship.
Wey-Yu most likely has a sniffer build into every synthetic. Davids was deactivated but was reactivated at some point to see the Xeno in action - Boing, we want it.
Ripley AFAIR says that its an unknown/alien language that seems to be a distress call, that turns out to be apperently a warning
Dash_Riprock
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As usual, the novelization (which is excellent by the way, Alan Dean Foster wrote all of them for 1-3 so they all have a narrative flow) explains it:
-Company probe picked up the Derelict's signal, sent it back to earth.
-Company supercomputers managed to decipher it, tells them the nature of the Xeno and basically to STAY THE FUCK AWAY.
-Company wants Xeno for weapons, looks at star charts to see which ship happens to be next to pass by closest to Derelict's location, happens to be Nostromo. Replace Science Officer with Ash to ensure creature returns.
-As for why Company sent a bunch of naive, uninformed truckers and not a purpose-built team: Cost reduction and they needed plausible deniability to get the alien and/or and infected crewman through quarantine.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Shit, Foster goes into that much detail?
I actually have the novelization around here, I've just never read it. Read the Alien 3 one, before I knew about the Workprint that was circulating convention floors in bootleg VHS form, which is now basically the "Special Edition" of the film that's on blu-ray.
Of course, its existence in novelization form isn't any guarantee Ridley will stick to it in 2018/2019, but still - interesting to see that was built in back then. Especially since the movie makes it seem like the company didn't know what was up until Ash reported back.
I actually have the novelization around here, I've just never read it. Read the Alien 3 one, before I knew about the Workprint that was circulating convention floors in bootleg VHS form, which is now basically the "Special Edition" of the film that's on blu-ray.
Of course, its existence in novelization form isn't any guarantee Ridley will stick to it in 2018/2019, but still - interesting to see that was built in back then. Especially since the movie makes it seem like the company didn't know what was up until Ash reported back.
If it really was the engineer,
and they all die in this upcoming movie, the call must have been made before David kills them all.
That's quite a lot of info to tie into the movie. So they really sent them there for the xenomorphs from the start. It will be interesting to see if these particular details will stay the same once the prequel saga is completed.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Not if the "engineer" on LV-426 isn't an engineer at all, but David.
(obviously some...things would have to happen to/with David on the way to that point. But there's still three (three?) more movies to go after this.
Kadayi
Banned
I'll probably end up seeing it at some point (though Prometheus was and remains utterly terrible save for the cinematography ) but frankly, it seems to me that they've given away far too much plot in the trailers. I know that all the marketing BS seemingly points to people bizarrely being ok with entire plot synopsis being shown in film trailers, but the inherent problem is, even if the particulars aren't clear, you're effectively aware when you're watching a film that scenes have to come up. It takes you out of the experience.
This and the Guardians of the Galaxy 2 trailers could of both done with fewer reveals for sure. I mean jeez, it's not like they're going to be chasing for bums on seats comes release. How about keeping something back...
This and the Guardians of the Galaxy 2 trailers could of both done with fewer reveals for sure. I mean jeez, it's not like they're going to be chasing for bums on seats comes release. How about keeping something back...
wesleyshark
Banned
All of that sounds perfectly good to me. I like how it's all sort of going to be a full circle, essentially.
Maybe the fossilization is part of his experiments to become a living beeing?
The Alien Prequel Saga: The story of one robot who wanted to be a real boy
I think it would be interesting if it turns out the warning actually was about David himself, who was in the process of
killing all the engineers at the time
Then the question becomes what did he turn himself into that he needed a huge Engineer space suit.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They're keeping the other 98% of the movie back, though.
Like, even trailers I've watched around 3 or 4 times are just disconnected, out-of-context moments that are pretty easy to fuzz out and forget (and that's not even getting into how many trailers are cut so early in a film's edit that the scenes get deleted by the time the film hits theaters).
I can't remember the last time I was in a theater and was actively accessing my memory to try and slot in footage from commercials like puzzle pieces while watching the movie.
I feel like that's a thing individual audience members have a lot of control over: How much they watch trailers, how much they actively try to remember those trailers, how much they're watching trailers as a means to "solve" the movie before they see it, and how much of the commercials they're taking into the theater with them.
People like to blame the marketing for "ruining" a movie, but if a movie gets "ruined" by two minutes of advertising, it was likely going to be a not-great movie in the first place.
Since he went to the Space Jockey planet, he could have put some of the in the cooler
I always thought the "pilot" of the derelict was just a purpose built biological robot of sorts when I was a kid. Basically a wretched slave that tended the eggs on the flight by whomever sent the ship. I thought it was a living part of the ship.
I was hoping that's what the black goo would turn the humans into in Prometheus, unwilling pilots sent back to bombard earth. But instead it was a suit. ¯\_(ツ
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I was hoping that's what the black goo would turn the humans into in Prometheus, unwilling pilots sent back to bombard earth. But instead it was a suit. ¯\_(ツ
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Wait, you're entertaining the idea of the Space Jockey being anything but an Engineer now? http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=222160547
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Damn, you've been holding onto that one, huh.
Anyway, yeah, maybe dude's changing his mind. It's been 6 months! New information has come to light, man.
Apparently it isn't.
Since we have the confirmation that Xenos were
created by David 50 years before the events of Alien
And I dont meant this to be offensiv. I would even be fine at this point with every crazy theory, Ridley Scott is always crazier and would make it happen.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Oh god.
Don't give Ridley Scott anymore ideas on that front.
I guess thats a nod to Prometheus, when did they land?
Christmas.
Guessed right then. Oh boy.
It does for me. The Alien is supposed to be Alien. Its the whole concept, its the beyond, its the unknown, its the Cthulhu monster. Its unknowable, was unknowable.
Its never been a Frankenstein monster. The whole concept has eaten itself. Fucking stupid Ridley has ruined the whole thing now.
wesleyshark
Banned
I really want that to happen
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I'm sorry but I just can't get past the carvings in the cave in Prometheus. Yeah, I know retcon or whatever but still.
Seriously guys. I wont watch this movie. I was so excited to see it and may it just be for some new Xenomorph action, but I wont give my money for soemthing like this. I have not even touched Termynatyr Genyshyt on Netflix because it may set an internal counter +1, and I will do the same thing here. Even when I hyped a couple of friends since the last trailer. They can go alone. I will stay at home and watch movies from a time when Ridley Scott also wanted to join George Lucas, but in a different way. Maybe I will watch the Xenomorph action when someone puts these scenes on YouTube. But my line is drawn. No more Movies or games or comicbooks with the Alien name for me if Ridley Scott is attached in some kind of way.
How much is he involved in Blade Runner 2049? in a so powerful way that he can sabotage this movies, too? Like It was just a dream that Harrison Ford was actually a android and he is really a human?
How much is he involved in Blade Runner 2049? in a so powerful way that he can sabotage this movies, too? Like It was just a dream that Harrison Ford was actually a android and he is really a human?
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