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The only bad part about Logan is that it took so long to get here. To get one amazing 'X-Men' film, far as Logan can even be referred to as such, it took all those bad to ok ones to get here! Nearly two decades, in fact. But it's here now, and its pretty incredible. To say I was surprised, considering I was expecting the usual X-Men rubbish, was an understatement. Incidentally, despite being vaguely based on the Old Man Logan story, this film is much closer to DC's The Dark Knight Returns, just as a point of interest.

I don't really follow the X-Men time travel stuff, but its the future, Logan hasn't acknowledged the Wolverine persona in years, he's caring for a dementia addled Charlies Xavier in the Mexican desert, whilst also being sick himself and slowly aging whilst also drinking himself into oblivion. Despite having given up being a hero for a long time, he reluctantly finds himself being given one last chance to be the guy people seem to think he is when he's charged with delivering a young girl with powers similar to his own to a safe haven from the people she's being hunted by.

It's a pretty simple set up, but the best stuff it does is all in the show don't tell, and the fact this film isn't afraid to dissapoint you, in the best way. There's no surprise X-Men popping up to add levity to proceedings, there's no happy ending, there's no continuity nods to the X-Men films.

And like I said, I loved it. It's dark, its violent, it's not afraid to go places maybe other superhero films couldn't or maybe couldn't go. It's much more effective at being dark and gritty and grim than anything Zack Synder has attempted to churn out.

Big part of that is of course, the age rating, which means we finally get claw fights with blood and gore, but Logan doesn't revel in the violence at any point of the film, and every action scene and death shows the pain of fighting and violence on those participating in it. This ties into a bigger theme of the film which genuinely elevates it above other superhero films trying the same shtick, say, Watchmen, Batman V Superman, whatever. I don't include the Marvel films there cos I think they're going for different things than Logan or what DC tries and fails to do, incidentally

Fact is, Logan isn't a superhero film at all. You could easily watch this without having seen a single one of the original X-Men or Wolverine films and enjoy it just as much with only a cusory knowledge of these characters and setting. Logan is about dissapointment, its about failing to live up to a legend, its about the lies we tell ourselves to make life more palatable, and its about how we do things we can't take back, and how we live with those things, it's about growing old and having to deal with that. The line from the film, 'There's no living with the killing. Right or wrong, its a brand.' sums that pretty well.

The acting is absolutely terrific. I hope this is Jackman's last turn as Logan, cos he absolutely kills it (no pun intended) Patrick Stewart does a great job in his last stand (that pun was intentional) as Charles Xavier, playing a difficult role as someone whose distressed at the state of the world and his world in particular, yet lacks the ability to change anything, and Stephen Merchant plays an unusually well acted and understated role as Caliban. And of course, Dafne Keen does a fanastic job as X-23. It's more than a little interesting, and feels unique to have a child actor playing a violent role thats not played for comedic laughs or in an ironic sense, e.g Hit Girl.

The film also looks fabulous, displaying a world that we'd recognise yet thats falling over an almost invisible edge, and the musical score and sound effects of the film are magnificent. Visual effects have been mentioned, but really, Wolverine should have got that 15 age rating a long time ago, cos it just fits like a glove.

There we go, I adored Logan. Far more than I expected, to the extent its actually diminished those other terrible comic book films that tried so hard to be grim and dark and edgy yet just missed the point completely, whereas this, nails it. Highly reccomended.
 

lordxar

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Undead I saw this pop up on Shudder and wanted to watch it again. What I loved the first time just felt too b this time around. Still a fun watch but just not quite what I remembered.

The Steel Helmet Grizzled war bad ass...the movie. Questions of racism get raised in what I'm supposing was Fuller's attempt at a hit between the eyes but fell a bit short. Good war movie but the ending battle was a bit lame.
 

kevin1025

Banned
Finally watched Carol.

I don't know, guys.
It was fantastic.
The acting, the color palette, the flow...
All perfection.
I was incredibly disappointed
when it ended, I wanted more
. Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara should just quit
making movies with other people and only make them together
.
 

T Dollarz

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Kong: Skull Island was a little too Jurassic World-y for me. Way overdoing the crowd pleasing moments, Vietnam era music at every possible turn, and a brutally fast pace. Movie doesn't take itself seriously at all, and honestly it kinda bothers me. I prefer the tone of Peter Jackson's so much more. This movie was just so over the top, learning all the wrong lessons from Gareth Edwards, whose film was also vastly superior.

However, this was an okay movie with some noteworthy scenes, and God fucking dammit if Brie Larson and Tom Hiddleston aren't the two most beautiful people on earth, but overall I'm pretty down on it.
 
The only thing I remember from watching Miami Vice in theaters at the time of its release is being bored as shit by it and falling asleep through the rest of it. It was not missed, and it's bizarre to me to see it anywhere as merely 'something that came out'.

also the imdb rating for it is 6,0 whereas Heat is 8,2. Whatever it is that you see in it, the average person sure as hell isn't seeing it.
 
That's a shame. I don't get why one would have an extreme negative reaction to the movie, as opposed to just not being a fan of it. But then I think it's like one of the best films of the century so it's harder for me to fathom that haha
 

TheFlow

Banned
The film has great shots, awesome visual style, and sometimes the lines are hot fire..sometimes.

Everything is average to bad.

Editing and music is what made it so frustrating because you could see it had potential. A 2 hour movie felt like it was 3 hours and still had little substance. Like how mane.

The two main characters are so meh it is not even funny. Like I gave zero fucks about anybody in this movie.

The sex scenes were odd.

Acting at times felt forced/cheesy

Jamie fox was missing during a lot of scenes.

That Asian lady was all kinds of bad. Plus interactions with Colin had me like "is this really happening"


IF people are into this type of stuff then more power to them but I never want to watch this film again. Rather watch blackhat again
 
edit: There was no polarizing reception. The movie has always been mediocre and is only recently being trolled as being something else. Movies don't get an 6 on imdb on average from 90k+ voters if there was something worthwhile in it. Just ignore it.
For reference, The Accountant was robbed by critics from good reception but the imdb rating for it is 7+, which is what it should be (7,5, imo). But critics and viewers never disagreed on Miami Vice. Seems more like a social Internet experiment to me.

Anyway, back to business:

Big Trouble In Little China (1986) - the year of our lord -not some Chinese fake calender :p - 1986 was a good year for movies. While this is definitely the most 'action movie' Carpenter has ever done, it is probably also his most fun one, even if it missing the slower personal style that he uses. But what I really enjoyed here is the fact that Jack is essentially being the 'other' here with his friend often having to bridge the gap between what he says ("I ain't afraid at all" ) and what he's actually feeling or missing from his Chinese companions.

Assault On Precinct 13 (1976) - "It's an old story, I was born outta time". Though this is somewhere between a Western and Death Wish, it's not hard to see why this is the most fun Carpenter had with shooting a movie: randomly shooting kids getting ice cream is fun, after all.

All-Star Superman (2011) - this animation adaptation is probably the better one because the source is the better Superman comic, but I still couldn't help but think that Supes is a creep ("hands off my girl"... eh, your girl..? ) and still kinda lame, especially because it interprets life as being against entropy when that's not the case. Also, Superman not being against the death penalty? #NotMySuperman
I'm starting to see why Snyder went the route he did, considering Supes is lame as fuck (yes, I know that's his thing), but at the same time, this adaptation is by and large okay and doesn't have weird or just bad lines. Unlike...

Superman Unbound (2013) - oh dear it's like nails on a fucking chalkboard. Every other line, including some more sexism because you better not have a case of the gays! I thought this feature might be okay on account of having John Noble as Brianiac, but nope, it's just straight up trash. And seriously, when writing a character: STOP. MAKING. THEM. EXPLAIN. EVERYTHING. I was having flashbacks to all those Superman games I never played because they had the exact same problem of Superman not knowing when to shut. the fuck. up.
I'm also wondering why Snyder didn't just blow up Lois Lane in either of his movies. She needs to go. I... I am honestly starting to hate her character. John Noble couldn't save this, because it's fucking terrible. I cringed on nearly every line and beat. Example is a shot of both Superman and Supergirl watching Brainiac arrive at Metropolis, then a gratuitous shot of robots just violently murdering people, and then a return shot to the supers STILL WATCHING the damn footage. Like, wtf is wrong with you?
I'm done giving these things a chance, considering I've already watched the ones that were worthwhile.
 
That scene where John Hawkes commits suicide still sticks with me, the visual choice of blurring out Crockett and Tubbs as he's focusing on the incoming truck on the highway instead was pretty clever. I wholeheartedly love this movie so much. I don't see it as lack of substance so much as the movie is less concerned with emphasizing the plot and the character relationships are established already and implied less overtly than many other movies would go about doing so.

One of the GOATs. Visual style was cool as hell too. I think a lot of great art is polarizing (and bad shit too of course, no denying that) and it shouldn't necessarily be a binary good or bad thing if people didn't respond well to a film.
 

TheFlow

Banned
That scene where John Hawkes commits suicide still sticks with me, the visual choice of blurring out Crockett and Tubbs as he's focusing on the incoming truck on the highway instead was pretty clever. I wholeheartedly love this movie so much. I don't see it as lack of substance so much as the movie is less concerned with emphasizing the plot and the character relationships are established already and implied less overtly than many other movies would go about doing so.

One of the GOATs. Visual style was cool as hell too. I think a lot of great art is polarizing (and bad shit too of course, no denying that) and it shouldn't necessarily be a binary good or bad thing if people didn't respond well to a film.
with that logic anything can be considered good/goat status.

A movie can be bad/trash and still have fans and such.
 
with that logic anything can be considered good/goat status.

A movie can be bad/trash and still have fans and such.

And a movie can be good and not have that many fans initially either. What's your point? You disagree that great things can't be polarizing?

The movement is happening brehs, you can't stop this cult status train.
 

Borgnine

MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
The movement is happening brehs, you can't stop this cult status train.

That's not what happens. What will happen is... what will happen is I will put a round at twenty-seven hundred feet per second into the medulla at the base of your brain. And you will be dead from the neck down before your body knows it. Your finger won't even twitch. Only you get dead.
 

TheFlow

Banned
And a movie can be good and not have that many fans initially either. What's your point? You disagree that great things can't be polarizing?

The movement is happening brehs, you can't stop this cult status train.
If a movie is good the fans are usually there. It's been almost 11 years since Miami vice.

If Miami vice was great it wouldn't be polarizing. General consensus about the movie is fair-good. With the rare Mann fanboy here and there giving it a 5 star review.

That is just general reception after 11 years. Don't get me wrong everyone has their opinions and there are some peoplewho think BvsS is a good movie.
 

Pachimari

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Anyone seen Copenhagen (2014)? Randomly loaded it up on Netflix last night and was pretty blown away. Not usually into romance films so much but this really resonated with me. They did a fantastic job of building up the relationship between the two main characters and dealt with a kinda touchy subject in a really sweet and mature way.
The to leads were fantastic, especially the actress playing Effy. There was so much subtle detail to her performance. Soundtrack was great too. Can definitely see myself watching this one again.
Easy 4/5.
Well, I live in Copenhagen so that alone makes me pay attention to this movie now. I'm definitely gonna watch it. But I hope it's not yet another relationship about a local and an au pair, we've seen quite a few of those and the last one , Rosita , wasn't particularly good.
 
If a movie is good the fans are usually there. It's been almost 11 years since Miami vice.

If Miami vice was great it wouldn't be polarizing.

What a myopic way to look at things. The fans are there. Even some critics if that matters. If you don't think it's great that's a different story. So many would agree with you too lol. But going with this hard and fast "if it's polarizing then it can't great, if imdb isn't high it cant be etc." rule? Nah bro
 

TheFlow

Banned
That's a shame. I don't get why one would have an extreme negative reaction to the movie, as opposed to just not being a fan of it. But then I think it's like one of the best films of the century so it's harder for me to fathom that haha
I know Miami vice is your favorite movie man but understand people have good reasons for thinking it is a bad/average movie

Edit: of course the fans are there. Lol. How do you think Cult classics are born. Of course some critics liked it. People all have different taste.

P.s imbd is trash due to the user base giving low scores for movies due to the actors or director involved with the film.
 
The Miami Vice defense force isn't new, either. Ignatiy Vishnevetsky pointed this out in an AV Club article, like, four years ago. The film has always been loved and championed by a younger generation of film critics. "Consensus" - and certainly not that of an imdb rating or Tomatometer - is never going to tell the whole story.

And sure, it got mediocre reviews on release, but so what? Films can't be reappraised? Discotheque is right. It's already at cult stasis, as far as I can tell, and as younger film crits and buffs come to dominate the discourse, the "consensus" of the film could very well change in more positive ways.

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kobe(beast) said:
All that Jazz (1979). This is such an amazing film about life itself.

Yup, this movie is incredible. Love it. Maybe my favorite musical.
 

TheFlow

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The Miami Vice defense force isn't new, either. Ignatiy Vishnevetsky pointed this out in an AV Club article, like, four years ago. The film has always been loved and championed by a younger generation of film critics. "Consensus" - and certainly not that of an imdb rating or Tomatometer - is never going to tell the whole story.

And sure, it got mediocre reviews on release, but so what? Films can't be reappraised? Discotheque is right. It's already at cult stasis, as far as I can tell, and as younger film crits and buffs come to dominate the discourse, the "consensus" of the film could very well change in more positive ways.
Lot of movies hit cult status. I have also seen the "love by a younger generation of film critics" but I am just not seeing it.

There are legit great movies that get mixed reviews due to the content but are later viewed as great. That can't be said for Miami vice least not now


One thing that GAF has taught me is that there is a defense force for literally everything. Directors like other famous people have die hard fans. Like I said way earlier if someone likes Miami vice more power to them.
 
Since when did IMDB ratings count for anything anywhere at anytime? And talking about The Accountant in the face of magic like Miami Vice? lol, get outta heeeeeeeeeere. Middling ass Sunday afternoon on-the-USA-channel action movie.

Miami Vice haters will be judged during the end times and will regret their words and deeds.
 
There are legit great movies that get mixed reviews due to the content but are later viewed as great. That can't be said for Miami vice least not now
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https://youtu.be/IAdGYYsG7yc

Who has to call it great before it gets its hallowed status. Do we need to sign a petition of a certain amount of votes? I'll get started on that. If you think something is not great and I think it is then what happens to it? And vice versa? You're treating the subjective like it needs to be a scientific fact bro. I don't wanna prolong this argument tho so it is what it is

And my avatar is Eva Green from dark shadows.
 

TheFlow

Banned
https://youtu.be/IAdGYYsG7yc

Who has to call it great before it gets its hallowed status. Do we need to sign a petition of a certain amount of votes? I'll get started on that. If you think something is not great and I think it is then what happens to it? And vice versa? You're treating the subjective like it needs to be a scientific fact bro. I don't wanna prolong this argument tho so it is what it is

And my avatar is Eva Green from dark shadows.
Now that's a hot take for sure. One that should be flushed down the toilet


exactly. you the one going hard in the paint over my miami vice impression :p.
 

kevin1025

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I think we all should just agree that the best movie ever is Scott Pilgrim vs the World, and Baby Driver may take its place on the mountain.
 
Since when did IMDB ratings count for anything anywhere at anytime? And talking about The Accountant in the face of magic like Miami Vice? lol, get outta heeeeeeeeeere. Middling ass Sunday afternoon on-the-USA-channel action movie.

Miami Vice haters will be judged during the end times and will regret their words and deeds.
That's like gaming side caring about Metacritics user scores lol.

51% for The Accountant is fair, considering everything about it was middling.
 

TheFlow

Banned
I think we all should just agree that the best movie ever is Scott Pilgrim vs the World, and Baby Driver may take its place on the mountain.


one of my favorite comics and favorite movie of all time. Baby driver looks like it has some amazing car scenes.

That's like gaming side caring about Metacritics user scores lol.

51% for The Accountant is fair, considering everything about it was middling.

Autistic Batman.
 
Hmmmmm, Baby Driver trailer didn't leave me amazed tbh. Hard to get a feel for Wright's writing and editing in trailer form though. Still excited.
 
Based Edgar Wright. That should guarantee at least one decent movie this summer.

The "autism grants you super power" angle is really, really dumb.

That's pretty much why I avoided it. I can't handle Hollywood and depictions of mental illness. I watched that Equalizer movie with Denzel and wanted to slap everybody involved in that project.
 

smisk

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Well, I live in Copenhagen so that alone makes me pay attention to this movie now. I'm definitely gonna watch it. But I hope it's not yet another relationship about a local and an au pair, we've seen quite a few of those and the last one , Rosita , wasn't particularly good.

Not quite. I'd recommend going in with as little information as possible. The film is shot beautifully, really makes me want to visit your city. Please post after you watch it, I'm interested in hearing other opinions!
 
The "autism grants you super power" angle is really, really dumb.

It's probably the more sensitive movie about the topic (as far as Hollywood goes), going well out of its way to define Neurotypical and Non-Neurotypical as well as using that in its framing. It really is not insensitive beyond the confines of having to be a movie.
The main character is just someone with extreme training who happens to be have high-functioning autism
and accepted a career that used both.

Also, if you believe the critics are right on that one, then Miami Vice is absolutely mediocre, since both critics and users already agreed on that a decade ago. Or you could just accept that everyone is as good a critic as you are, and that when take a population of over 2000 you get a pretty reliable answer as to what a movie is perceived to be worth. THAT is what I use the imdb score for, which I find to be far more reliable than MC or RT, as long as it's not a special interest thing like comics or religion.
Besides, the point was that BOTH critics and users have panned Miami Vice as mediocre, yet only critics undersold The Accountant, not users.

Using that statistic is no different from turfing the posts in these threads.
 
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