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[Lime]

I'm wondering what the coming years ahead will bring when all the young followers exposed to the various degrees of bigotry from Gamer personalities like JonTron, PewDiePie, Colin Moriarty, etc. become adult and have a larger and stronger voice. Will the otherwise 'neutral' gaming industry buckle under the pressure and start openly catering to the segment? Or will they push back and take a stand?

And I wonder what all the 'neutral' sites and people will do at this point? Will friends and co-hosts try to be pals with everyone? They remain silent in the face of bigotry and they rush to defend these people from any criticisms of the bigoted shit that's espoused to their thousands of followers.

And what will all the people who think that JonTron is beyond the pale with these comments, but at the same time is more than willing to defend and maintain the sexist and racist status quo in video games, do in the future?

 

[Professor Beef]

hah, he was actually talking about putting a hole in Arins cake that he made for his girlfriend/wife, not a person

yeah let's just ignore that he was still connecting the two by calling the cake the n-word

just fun and games here, people!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I've never seen someone so desperately and pathetically jockey to be accepted as "one of the good ones."

 

[jtb]

More and more of these cretins show their true colors. Not surprising at all.

 

[CrazedProfessional]

The left is fucked in a few decades because of how Alt-Right/4Chan culture has dug deep into the minds of many young men.

Like, you can't win a culture war that's already been lost and when the demographics shift as older progressives die off, a bunch of Fascist Dickheads are gonna get elected, furthermore.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Lmao how was anyone ok with this?

How did he have any fans in this site after this?

You only have to look for the post below yours.

Ok Jon... just be quiet. Still love him, but somebody should pull him back for a moment if not tell him what's wrong.

Why would you "still love" someone who is a scumbag?

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Fantastic summation. I was definitely a part of the 4chan culture in my youth, and it took some growing up to reject that ugliness. Some never grow up.

To be fair, I always had very liberal sensibilities and the "for the lulz" mentality seemed to my young naivete to be just that. It's pretty horrifying to see the beast it's grown into in the decade or so since that time of my life.

 

[lvl99 Pixel]

yeah let's just ignore that he was still connecting the two by calling the cake the n-word

just fun and games here, people!

thats not what im saying at all.... just pointing out that the poster was missing some context. Apparently thats enough for a sarcastic piss-take at my expense?
I was the poster that brought up that example in the first place

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Also it takes like five seconds to go on a creator's twitter and ascertain where they fall on issues like this, so the constant 'is X a shitlord???' posts are sort of groanworthy. It doesn't really take long to work out where someone falls on your personal political spectrum and whether you're comfortable supporting them or not, so tossing out random MAYBE THIS GUY WHO WAS WITHIN JON'S FARTING DISTANCE IS ALSO A NAZI rhetoricals aren't very helpful.

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Doing this points out most if not all of the Normal Boots crew clearly don't agree with Jon at best, for instance.

 

[zeemumu]

Shame. I actually find some of his videos funny.

 

[MKIL65]

Good to see a thread on this. I don't use Twitter anymore, because of those exact tweets.

He's completely disconnected from reality.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

You only have to look for the post below yours.


Why would you "still love" someone who is a scumbag?

I think it's folks like me who are able to separate the art from the artist. As long as he keeps this shit off his videos

 

[Acorn]

The writing has been on the wall for a while now

Yep. Sadly he's been edging that way for a year or so.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Never followed the guy, and the first I heard of him was through GG I think.

Not sure how he wrapped himself in that either. Too much happened on that everyday and it was hard to follow it all.

Weird that he is Iranian and wouldnt even be remotely accepted by the alt-right if things ever really go their way.

 

[Madame M]

I think all viewpoints are important and am glad that JonTron is starting a dialogue about these important issues, furthermore

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for real though JonTron is insufferable. I was sad when I saw him with the AVGN crew, lost a little respect for AVGN after that

 

[GutsOfThor]

The left is fucked in a few decades because of how Alt-Right/4Chan culture has dug deep into the minds of many young men.

Like, you can't win a culture war that's already been lost and when the demographics shift as older progressives die off, a bunch of Fascist Dickheads are gonna get elected, furthermore.

I remember thinking that as the old guard dies off, things will get more progressive but holy fuck......

Like you said, the next few decades are going to be shit. We have an entire generation of young people being radicalized right before our eyes.

 

[Boke1879]

Fantastic summation. I was definitely a part of the 4chan culture in my youth, and it took some growing up to reject that ugliness. Some never grow up.

To be fair, I always had very liberal sensibilities and the "for the lulz" mentality always seemed to my young naivete to be just that. It's pretty horrifying to see the beast it's grown into in the decade or so since that time of my life.

I think a lot of the people my age (28) and younger have experiences 4chan in some form or fashion. It's straight up a haven for people like Jon Tron. Especially when they were younger. It's an anonymous message board. You can say whatever the hell you want.

His attitude is straight up. "fuck you got mine" People like Jon need to be exposed every single time, and anyone who associates with him needs to be called out.

 

[G0523]

Trump really cleared out some of my subs. Kinda Funny, JonTron, a few more.

What's the story behind Kinda Funny Games? Aren't they relatively new?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I think it's folks like me who are able to separate the art from the artist. As long as he keeps this shit off his videos

I subscribe to this as well but be honest; with how fucking slow his output is and with Twitter really being where Jon's most active, his attempts at political commentary are all people following him would have to go off for the past several months.Besides his Q&A, where he pretends none of this is really happening anyway.

Hell I'm fine with a few other personalities that lean into this dumb brand of 'reactionary' politics since they'll at least have a proper chat to me if we're both respectful to each other, but Jon's purposely ignoring any arguments, highlighting the dumber, reactionary posts to what he's saying and essentially sic-ing a huge audience on anyone who disagrees with him.

Complete and utter fucking child. I would (and do) say the same for anyone on the left side of politics similarly engaging in shitty displays of 'discourse' with large audiences they can wield.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think it's folks like me who are able to separate the art from the artist. As long as he keeps this shit off his videos

I'm able.

I just don't care to. Why would I let someone off the hook that easily?

 

[Boke1879]

What's the story behind Kinda Funny Games? Aren't they relatively new?

It's probably more so to do with Colin.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

I think it's folks like me who are able to separate the art from the artist. As long as he keeps this shit off his videos

It's hard for me to make that distinction when the product a person is selling is their personality. This isn't like enjoying Ender's Game even though Orson Scott Card is a toolbag.

 

[Lime]

The left is fucked in a few decades because of how Alt-Right/4Chan culture has dug deep into the minds of many young men.

Like, you can't win a culture war that's already been lost and when the demographics shift as older progressives die off, a bunch of Fascist Dickheads are gonna get elected, furthermore.

The whole 'nerds are oppressed' narrative to sell more shit back in the 80's and onwards was an excellent form of blanket cover to make white straight male nerds feel like victims, despite actually being in the top of the racial, sexual, and gendered hierarchy in society. In turn, this perceived form of victimization has resulted in their vulnerability to be radicalized even further when faced with the hardships of contemporary power dynamics (as Nepenthe wrote so well in another thread that I can't find right now) and when actual marginalized groups rock the boat.

It's really sad and pathetic to see these nerds becoming neo-nazis, yet it's also incredibly dangerous as they hurt and damage others with their deplorable politics.

 

[Vigilant Gambit]

Fantastic summation. I was definitely a part of the 4chan culture in my youth, and it took some growing up to reject that ugliness. Some never grow up.

To be fair, I always had very liberal sensibilities and the "for the lulz" mentality seemed to my young naivete to be just that. It's pretty horrifying to see the beast it's grown into in the decade or so since that time of my life.

I was in a community similar to 4chan, but far less known, and private for a while. Some of us matured out of it, but considering how nuts some of the users were, I can't imagine wtf they're doing as adults now.

 

[Hierophant]

I remember thinking that as the old guard dies off, things will get more progressive but holy fuck......

Like you said, the next few decades are going to be shit. We have an entire generation of young people being radicalized right before our eyes.

at least these ones won't breed in larger numbers

can't progenate the master race if you're inside arguing about videogames!

 

[G0523]

It's probably more so to do with Colin.

Colin Moriarty is a proud member of the garbage human video game personality pantheon, and is unfortunately a major part of Kinda Funny.

Did Colin Moriarty say something supporting the right and/or alt-right? Is it that he said he was socially conservative when he was talking about politics in one of his videos? If so, he didn't come off as a Trump supporter (at least to me) since he said he disagrees with a lot of what Trump does.

 

[BinaryPork2737]

So has Jon actually formed an argument against any of the constant arguments of 'you are literally who Steve King is talking about' or is he still just trying to deflect with irrelevant 'I'm not a nazi!!!' comments. For all the people joking about 'it sure is ironic racists/nazi's hate being called racists/nazis'' here, it *does* allow them to derail an argument enough to seem like to their impressionable kid audience that they actually have a point and all their opposition can do is shoot ad-hominem attacks.

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Even if they're somewhat appropriate.

I think Jon's bizarre explanations on Sargan's streams about his politics (there is an issue if THAT guy of all people is trying to reign you in politically) he then tried to bury and brush under the rug did more to paint him as a moron who has no clue what he's talking about then the people just lining up to yell names at him. He wants you to do the latter because he has no real substance if you're going to argue with him, and he knows it.

BitBlock has been insufferable for near a decade and has a comparatively tiny audience so I have no clue why he's always brought up as an example. Literally nobody gives a shit about him beyond the embarrassing private shit about him that keeps leaking, regardless of being a moron politically or not.

One of Jon's most recent tweets is "if being a minority is such a great thing, why does no one else seem to want to be it?" So I think that should tell you where he stands on that first question.

He's also complaining about "virtue signaling" while unironically virtue signaling to the altright, so there's that too.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Where does this come from? It seems like there is an entire generation of game/anime fans that are defiantly alt-right. Supporting Wilders? Does he even know what that implies?

 

[Kilrogg]

Fantastic summation. I was definitely a part of the 4chan culture in my youth, and it took some growing up to reject that ugliness. Some never grow up.

To be fair, I always had very liberal sensibilities and the "for the lulz" mentality seemed to my young naivete to be just that. It's pretty horrifying to see the beast it's grown into in the decade or so since that time of my life.

As I grow up and am disappointed by people - not in my direct circle, but through shows I like - who I used to think were just joking at the time, I'm starting to realize why you can't just say silly things all the time, even the most outrageously absurd things, and expect people to read them as jokes: not because people have no sense of humor, but because they know that some people actually do mean what they say jokingly. Not me thankfully - I think; I just like tongue-in-cheek humor and sarcasm too much - but now I get why people don't always like that. They might just be thinking that there's a chance you mean what you're saying; that you're one of those guys who, beneath the laughter and the joking tone, are actual shitty human beings. Kernel of truth, and all that.

 

[Oblivion]

Is Smooth McGroove a part of the JonTron set? I know he's pretty buddy-buddy with AlphaOmegaSin, which makes me concerned.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Lol, fucking L O L.

His gifs aren't even good.

I cleared this up a few pages back already.
But stuff like the 10 out of 10, 100 out of 100, best game was good in my book before being attached to this.

 

[KojiKnight]

The left is fucked in a few decades because of how Alt-Right/4Chan culture has dug deep into the minds of many young men.

Like, you can't win a culture war that's already been lost and when the demographics shift as older progressives die off, a bunch of Fascist Dickheads are gonna get elected, furthermore.

Gaming/4 Chan culture isn't the only thing the internet has brought about. There are a lot of very progressive movements that are going on with younger audiences (see the Bernie Sanders movement which is mostly young progressives)

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Is Smooth McGroove a part of the JonTron set? I know he's pretty buddy-buddy with AlphaOmegaSin, which makes me concerned.

Uhoh is AlphaOmegaSin part of this too?

 

[Lime]

I think it's folks like me who are able to separate the art from the artist. As long as he keeps this shit off his videos

There's hundreds of other people who are just as deserving of your time and attention, and who doesn't bring in a whole lot of bigoted bullshit. Hell, you might as well devote your time to people who aren't as prominent and dominant and who has a lot of interesting and funny stuff to say. They probably need your time and support much more than some future neo-nazi.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

One of Jon's most recent tweets is "if being a minority is such a great thing, why does no one else seem to want to be it?" So I think that should tell you where he stands on that first question.

He's also complaining about "virtue signaling" while unironically virtue signaling to the altright, so there's that too.

I'm not questioning where he stands on politics, I'm questioning whether he's bothered to debate anyone on this who doesn't either already agree with him or is a less-popular YT'r friend who's going to nervously buckle down and say nothing to anger him.

The Q&A vid he did where the subject was brought up and the non-Sargon podcasts he's been on have made it clear he wants his temper tantrums to stay on the down-low, and avoiding proper debates on what he's saying seems to be his strategy on doing that.

Nah, check his Twitter (@notaxation lol). He's right up there with the rest of these clowns.

He literally left the Republican Party over Trump. For as much of a dumbass Jon's turned into, there's truth to political discourse being stifled, and while I don't remotely agree with Colin's libertarian views, he's been hounded on them for this site relentlessly for years. I can't tell if it's from some people being sheltered and assuming Colin is some extreme hostile right-winger and have no frame of reference for like, what the actual alt-right actually says/does or are just angry a popular game personality is right-wing, but this is the sort of shit alt-righters *love* to take hold of and use as ammunition for people who're politically on the fence.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

There's hundreds of other people who are just as deserving of your time and attention, and who doesn't bring in a whole lot of bigoted bullshit. Hell, you might as well devote your time to people who aren't as prominent and dominant and who has a lot of interesting and funny stuff to say. They probably need your time and support much more than some future neo-nazi.

I should clarify. I don't love him. I enjoy his videos. And they are rare enough I only deal with his twitter crap when folks post it in here.

 

[massoluk]

Nah, check his Twitter (@notaxation lol). He's right up there with the rest of these clowns.

I vaguely remember Collin Moriarty being some video game guy, but my mind went blank complete at who he was supposed to be. There must be some reason I completely hardwired to avoid myself from exposure to him at some point. Then I saw his tweet in Intl Women Day being retweeted. "Oh, may be that is why"

 

[Crossing Eden]

Where does this come from? It seems like there is an entire generation of game/anime fans that are defiantly alt-right. Supporting Wilders? Does he even know what that implies?

Consider that a metric fuckton of anime and games catered to males only with incredibly sexist shit and that these people don't have much of an identity beyond those two things.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Uhoh is AlphaOmegaSin part of this too?

I know he was a full blown Gator back when that was a thing. There seems to be a lot of crossover.

 

[DarkKyo]

Ugh... Never really watched his show so I'm not familiar with his work at all but I know my brother is a die-hard fan so I can only imagine he's going to defend this shit somehow.

 

[kyser73]

How does a son of a immigrant so vehemently against immigration? While living in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world (NYC)?

Probably already answered but it's called the 'drawbridge', where earlier waves of immigrants oppose new migrants.

There's also an element of presumption about the politics of immigrants by many. While generally speaking most recent arrivals and the majority of those settled will vote with a centre-left or progressive party, there are significant numbers who are conservative socially/economically & who see their 'home' in the right.

In some ways its a major hurdle in assimilation - finding a party that may represent conservative social values but that also isn't racist at its core isn't easy, creating a vacuum in representation.

I knew a couple of Tory Muslims in the U.K. and they both commented that while their local party was very accepting, they often found when attending national conferences that they'd experience racism from fellow party members but in both cases they said there was nowhere else for them to go politically.

 

[Hierophant]

Consider that a metric fuckton of anime and games catered to males only with incredibly sexist shit and that these people don't have much of an identity beyond those two things.

its a shame because theres so many games and anime that don't do that (okay not too sure about anime but i was and still am a giant fucking weaboo and i'm a normal human being sooo)

ofc basing your identity on anime and videogames makes me think your odour is less than healthy

 

[Oblivion]

Uhoh is AlphaOmegaSin part of this too?

He's made a lot videos on hating SJWs, was a pretty big Gator, and gets a lot of his news from right-wing trash sites like Breitbart.

He did make a video attacking Fox News because one of their anchors made fun of Star Wars, though.

 

[Samikaze]

I swear there has to be some scientific law stating that the longer and more popular a Youtuber is, the higher chances of them having shitty sociopolitical beliefs. Be it MRA, Gamergater, or Alt-right.

"A youtuber's empathy is inversely proportional of their popularity."

 

[G0523]

Nah, check his Twitter (@notaxation lol). He's right up there with the rest of these clowns.

Welp, now I don't know what to think of him. He's a libertarian conservative? What even is that? He posts articles from The New York Times and praises them but makes comments about race and gender that I strongly disagree with.

IHe literally left the Republican Party over Trump. For as much of a dumbass Jon's turned into, there's truth to political discourse being stifled, and while I don't remotely agree with Colin's libertarian views, he's been hounded on them for this site relentlessly for years. I can't tell if it's from some people being sheltered and assuming Colin is some extreme hostile right-winger and have no frame of reference for like, what the actual alt-right actually says/does or are just angry a popular game personality is right-wing, but this is the sort of shit alt-righters *love* to take hold of and use as ammunition for people who're politically on the fence.

This is what gets me too. He trolls Trump and thinks he's awful and shouldn't be president, etc. but then he gets annoyed by his followers who lean left. I mean, I guess since he's anti-Trump he can't be that bad but his political views are a bit hard to gauge.

 

[paragonpro]

I stopped supporting that guy a while ago because of shit like this.

 

[Hierophant]

tfw jontron is literally being a historical revisionist and talking about how great colonialism is like what the fuck

 

[TriangularDuck]

I think it's folks like me who are able to separate the art from the artist. As long as he keeps this shit off his videos

He hasn't.

 

[How About No]

I'm able.

I just don't care to. Why would I let someone off the hook that easily?

There's hundreds of other people who are just as deserving of your time and attention, and who doesn't bring in a whole lot of bigoted bullshit. Hell, you might as well devote your time to people who aren't as prominent and dominant and who has a lot of interesting and funny stuff to say. They probably need your time and support much more than some future neo-nazi.

This. It was really hard for me, since JonTron's videos are literally some of my favorite YouTube productions ever, and I enjoyed his time on Game Grumps, but I just can't. Enough is enough. Fuck him.

 

[Moaradin]

I'm afraid all the people I follow on youtube are assholes at this point.