JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites

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Alucrid said:
"we have gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries"

it's ok

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YouTube bullshit is not "art" come on
 
kvothe said:
Hm.. Think I'm saying there's more bigots out there than you're willing to accept. Not at all saying it isn't a problem in the gaming community. But I think it's an ugly part of America that exists in all parts and we need to address it wherever we find it.
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Well yeah I don't anyone thinks it's limited to just the gaming community
 
He's a post race racist guys, honest.

You know who these kids are the ones that sit on a subway and are scared shitless of a black person coming anywhere near them. As their social experience with black and brown people are episodes of 24.

And why they talk shit about Africa said a. EU wasn't over there fucking things up, and also the whole there not being any water thing.

Fortunately theres going to be an industrial surge in Africa as China transitions into a more middle class society.
 
If you see people that are like "You need to address the so-called middle roaders" just show them that stream. There's no hope reaching these folks. And they always think they are moderates or rationals, they don't see how entrenched they are.
 
I feel like poor Destiny's shortening his lifespan with these "debates." The level of toxic stupidity these idiots bring to bear is maddening.

Godspeed, Steben. :<
 
Alo0oy said:
It's 2017, everyone has a smartphone and can use the internet, there's something about nerd culture that attracts them.
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What are the non-gaming Twitch equivalents?

2Smashed4U said:
Well yeah I don't anyone thinks it's limited to just the gaming community
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But... you were just acting like it's something found only in the gaming community. That creates this false idea that these terrible thoughts don't exist throughout all social groups in the country. Thinking it's only reserved to gaming creates a bubble that will only serve to hamper progress against fighting those thoughts throughout society.
 
Alucrid said:
"we have gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries"

it's ok

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It's not like his videos were funny to begin with. Game Grumps' soul was always Egoraptor.
 
Alo0oy said:
What is it with nerdy entertainment that attracts all the bigots? And before anyone jumps my throat with #Notallnerds, I know shitty people exist everywhere, but they can be found remarkably consistently in any form of nerd media, while they're less prominent in other forms of entertainment.

Video Games? Anime? Comic Books? Comic Book movies? Techie stuff like hardware/software...etc? They're remarkably consistent in where they hang out.

I have a dumb theory, those idiots never left home much in their childhood, so they relied on nerdy media to pass time, and nerdy media RARELY challenges their worldview, that's why when women and non-white protagonists started becoming more common in the past ~2 years they started the GG saga, they're not used to not being pandered to 100% of the time, that's why they went insane when WD2 had a black protagonist or when Horizon Zero Dawn had a woman, they're used to being pandered to, and when Trump became President they felt that they can be bigots publically without repercussions instead of being stuck in the depths of 4chan.
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Well, it's a few things.

Since World War II, a popular fiction trope has been popular kids vs. nerds. Now, in pretty much all media, this thing was exaggerated. It was much more like A Separate Peace than it was swirlies and pocket protectors, but if you felt like you weren't a popular kid, you were probably a nerd who would never permeate that area where the popular kids resided.

Fast forward to the 90s, where video games are considered children's pursuits, and people who like them are nerds who lives in their parents' basements because they couldn't get jobs with their hairy palms. And these are people growing up with the same hormones as everyone else, but because of this reputation (that they no doubt also helped perpetuate by being unable to learn social skills to ingratiate themselves), they were lonely and eventually malcontent. They weren't going to show a girl Aerith's death scene, prove games were art, and get laid, and there was no Plan B.

Now the following 15-25 years became about the internet, where these people were not hanging out in clubs or at the video game store, but finding each other across state lines and oceans. And here they could share their anger about the way society has been treating them. Their hobby was under attack by people like Jack Thompson, so it made it easier to become hypersensitive and perceive Anita Sarkeesian as the exact same kind of threat. They viewed anyone asking for more representation for themselves as taking away from them, and they had so little beyond their privileged identity. They slashed at phantoms in hopes of drawing blood.

The other part of it is like that FilmCrit Hulk tweet thread said - almost all of these people, celebrity or not, has said something stupid out loud. Maybe they have done it multiple times, and it was reinforced as okay by groups A, B, and C. But then in Group D, someone took offense, or pointed out that it was stupid. Groups E - Z might feel the same way, you don't know, and you don't want to think about it. You want to convince yourself that it was just Group D, maybe some chucklefucks in other groups, but A - C are the good ones. Because these people chose to get defensive rather than introspective, they became indoctrinated into a culture war where empathy and compassion are considered flaws. They become insulated with the people that are willing to pump up their basest ideas rather than help their ideas evolve.

So you end up with...this, what gaming culture mostly is today. People who are trying to move it forward, people who are resisting that and becoming raving, racist lunatics in the process, and the frustrating middle that thinks that not taking a stance is the same as doing good.
 
2Smashed4U said:
There were some good posts about how things like Steve Bannon's group was able to infiltrate gamer circle back when, it's not really a recent thing.

But basically, it's kind of a subculture that attracts a lot of low self esteem type people, and yeah when they feel threatened by things like that, you have people telling them it's okay to feel that way, it's okay to hate women/black people/muslims anyone who is not a white male basically, it spreads like wildfire.
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This isn't new, the earliest form of far right outrage I can remember was back in 2002 when FFX-2 was considered "girly" and gamefaqs was unreadable, I was 13 back then but I still remember the whole debacle. They've just been less prominent because it was extremely rare for a game to not pander to them.
 
Corpekata said:
If you see people that are like "You need to address the so-called middle roaders" just show them that stream. There's no hope reaching these folks. And they always think they are moderates or rationals, they don't see how entrenched they are.
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I've been trying to tell people this for months
 
Fancolors said:
Disney bought Maker, who has NormalBoots some years ago. Dunno if he is currently involved with Disney tho
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Ah, that makes sense.

Yeah any larger media conglomerate is gonna drop his ass after that display. I caught a microscopic amount but just enough to know he's a raging alt-right asshole.
 
Karsticles said:
You financially support that artist so he/she can keep spreading these views through a massive public forum. If you actively support these people, you are helping to spread their views.
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i'm not sure if you mean you as in me or you as in jontron viewers but i ain't never watched a video of his
 
I actually do call myself European, but only because I grew up under multiple European nationalities (Swedish dad, English mum, born in Belgium). And I only do that here in America.
 
Just in case you missed the debate, a recap:

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ShockingAlberto said:
Well, it's a few things.

Since World War II, a popular fiction trope has been popular kids vs. nerds. Now, in pretty much all media, this thing was exaggerated. It was much more like A Separate Peace than it was swirlies and pocket protectors, but if you felt like you weren't a popular kid, you were probably a nerd who would never permeate that area where the popular kids resided.

Fast forward to the 90s, where video games are considered children's pursuits, and people who like them are nerds who lives in their parents' basements because they couldn't get jobs with their hairy palms. And these are people growing up with the same hormones as everyone else, but because of this reputation (that they no doubt also helped perpetuate by being unable to learn social skills to ingratiate themselves), they were lonely and eventually malcontent. They weren't going to show a girl Aerith's death scene, prove games were art, and get laid, and there was no Plan B.

Now the following 15-25 years became about the internet, where these people were not hanging out in clubs or at the video game store, but finding each other across state lines and oceans. And here they could share their anger about the way society has been treating them. Their hobby was under attack by people like Jack Thompson, so it made it easier to become hypersensitive and perceive Anita Sarkeesian as the exact same kind of threat. They viewed anyone asking for more representation for themselves as taking away from them, and they had so little beyond their privileged identity. They slashed at phantoms in hopes of drawing blood.

The other part of it is like that FilmCrit Hulk tweet thread said - almost all of these people, celebrity or not, has said something stupid out loud. Maybe they have done it multiple times, and it was reinforced as okay by groups A, B, and C. But then in Group D, someone took offense, or pointed out that it was stupid. Groups E - Z might feel the same way, you don't know, and you don't want to think about it. You want to convince yourself that it was just Group D, maybe some chucklefucks in other groups, but A - C are the good ones. Because these people chose to get defensive rather than introspective, they became indoctrinated into a culture war where empathy and compassion are considered flaws. They become insulated with the people that are willing to pump up their basest ideas rather than help their ideas evolve.

So you end up with...this, what gaming culture mostly is today. People who are trying to move it forward, people who are resisting that and becoming raving, racist lunatics in the process, and the frustrating middle that thinks that not taking a stance is the same as doing good.
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Yeah this is what I'm talking about, this is what was posted in the Steve Bannon gold farming thread. Good read.
 
Lol guys, Jafari is a Persian name.

Also, on another account... just out of topic...

Iran is not in the Middle East but in South Central Asia, just in case you guys were wondering. Geographically this would be the only answer...

On a political note... the term "Middle East" has been overstretched and segregated in the past and as any geographic designation in a turbulent area, is subject to political will unfortunately, but why don't people do their research?

Why do most westerners bunch up so many countries in the Middle East though? Pakistan as an example is also in South Asia along with Afghanistan.
 
I brought it up the title earlier. Would really suck if game grumps get backlash from being associated with jon when they no longer seem to be. Same with normal boots.
 
Interface23 said:
Egoraptor and Danny Sexbang are good people. Glad they got that that kind of toxicity away from the Game Grumps brand
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I was a fan of Danny before he joined game grumps so when it was announced that he was joining I was like OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. Meanwhile everyone hated on him cause they wanted johntron meanwhile Dan's synergy with ego was a lot better and now people that watch the show adore him and basically tell ego to give more dan time LOLOLOL
 
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