Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.

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Titanoboa said:
Isn't that curly haired guy in favor of cutting defense spending? It's also literally fiscally conservative.
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I mean by the literal definition of "you are trying to conserve money" yes it is a fiscally conservative policy, I should be a little more clear on conservative in the literal sense compared to the political description sense.
 
Titanoboa said:
It's also super weird to me that some people live in fantasy land where government is holding back progress, but at the same time people are supposedly inherently good enough to solve all problems if given free reign.
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No argument, I was just playing devil's advocate here.
the government is as good or as bad as the people it is serving.
Given the correct factos it will get thrown out most of the time.
If the government is holding back progress, there's not much the people can do to go beyond what the government provides.
 
sploatee said:
Hmm. I had a quick flick back through Twitter (I try to stay away from Twitter as much as possible) and can see how he's become more outspoken. I'm not sure he's said anything worthy of condemnation though. Disagreement, yes, but hatred, no. Maybe there's some tweets I've missed though.



Obviously, you disagree with him. But I guess the counter-argument is that he is reacting against the fact that people found the joke offensive in the first place and so is doubling down on his position. It's the (reasonable) opposing view that rational debate is being threatened by the reaction to anything which disagrees with an opinion voiced by an "unprivileged" group as being somehow -phobic, bigoted or hateful, or the views of cisgender, heterosexual white men as being invalid at the point of origin unless they first acknowledge the importance of their identity in their viewpoint.

I don't see how there is any way forward without being moderate. As things stand, both sides are getting more extreme and that is what is most worrying to me. I fear we will end up with those alienated by the "offense culture" (I'm using scare quotes deliberately as I know there's not a neutral phrase I can use here (unless you can correct me, would be happy to be corrected) getting all of their news and commentary from Breitbart and becoming steadfastly against social justice, while the opposing side ignores valid cultural criticism simply because it involves underprivileged groups.

It's this divide which is leading to Brexit, Trump and potentially Le Pen and Wilders. Here in the UK it's led to Jeremy Corbyn which has led to an ineffectual Labour party which has led to a dominant conservatism which means I see more people sleeping rough every day, more teenagers I work with being unable to access mental health care and social care and less job security than I can remember. Without moderation and points of compromise, progress is impossible.
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You need to eliminate the extreme issues in order for moderate politics to have any sway, and that will never, ever happen. It's a pipe dream that we could collaborate together to structure our society to fit the needs of both sides. One side is actively destroying cultural and scientific progress for their own benefit, and their voter base is tuned out of the bigger picture enough to go along with it as though it's for their own good. You know what people like me want? We want to live our lives. The right doesn't want us to have that, and they have made that painfully clear time and again. They will not compromise, and I'm not about to, either.

Moderate stances are a step away from cowardice, in my opinion. What we're seeing now is the result of cultural advancement being torn at by an angry, bigoted group who are trying to re-establish themselves as though their ideals have any form of legitimacy. It's happened plenty of times in history, and they eventually lost what ground they thought they had to stand on. Colin got a free pass for most of his tenure, and now it's caught up to him like it always does.

I do really wish that things could go smoothly, though. I hate that I have to feel any sort of bitterness towards other people. I disagree with Colin's views, but I didn't see this event being what led to him getting dropped from his network. I'm sure he will be fine in the long run! That still won't mean I will look past his terrible views.
 
HStallion said:
Being a comedian doesn't make you immune to criticism or fall out from your jokes
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Of course it doesn't, and he deserves criticism for it. I'm just advocating for a response in line with the severity of the transgression.

I also am well aware that Colin has had far more than just this one joke that contributed to this, but the fact is that it's this joke that's being called the last straw, which I find odd.
 
So apparently TB went on a rant defending Jontrons right to say shit (not what he said but that he's allowed to say it) and used is as an excuse to attack traditional media. Is that what's he's planning for Colin?

Sigh, I've got to sleep. I have a feeling it's going to worse before it gets better
 
BearPawB said:
I have still found no one capable of telling me what is funny about that "joke"

If it is a joke, it is the least funny, least original joke I have ever heard.


"says something awful"
"That was really insulting!"
"haha it was all a joke!"
"What's the joke?"
"well uh, you see women talk a lot...."
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To his defenders, they either think it was funny, which is tasteless, crude and offensive to most people

OR

Others think "well, hey, it's just words. If it's not funny to most people and offends a shit ton of others who cares, he's my boy he has Cart Blanche to say whatever and be offended if most people are honest and upfront with him about how tasteless and offensive what he said was."

...Basically a double standard.
 
I'm sad that Colin is leaving Kinda Funny and I'll probably not watch Kinda Funny content much anymore. I am socially liberal but fiscally conservative and have been my whole life. I thought Colin was a great grounding presence in the games industry and brought a different perspective to the echo chamber that we even see today in this thread. I believe this will be a big loss overall for KF and I'll definitely follow Colin in his next venture.
 
Gator86 said:
Yup, it's a garbage-ass phrase that means less than nothing. "I support policies that have led to the long-term disenfranchisement of people of color and directly inhibit their accumulation of wealth but I won't call you the n-word to your face." Oh my, what a generous contribution to society!
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https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/463132110006784000

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Jebusman said:
Alright hold up, as an aside, this is one of the most infuriating descriptions anyone can ever have to describe themselves politically, because it's literally wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"I'm totally on your side, I'm just supporting all the policies that do nothing but harm you, but it's nothing personal, it's just in my financial best interest to do so"

Saying you're socially liberal but fiscally conservative is saying you don't actually give a fuck about anyone but yourself, but you're too afraid to openly admit it.

You then spin it as a positive. Since you "don't care" about other people, you don't match up with those who are actively bigots/racists/sexists/etc, so you seem reasonable. But since you're still voting for policies that ultimately serve to harm those who aren't already rich and/or white, at the end of the day you're doing the exact same fucking thing.

Colin's problem isn't that he's actively racist/sexist. It's that when confronted by the idea that he could have been either of those things, even by accident, he shrugs it off and/or lashes out/doubles down on it. That doesn't seem like a "level headed" person. He just wants to preach and not be questioned. "Colin was Right" isn't a joke. It's actually how he lives his life.
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'im not a racist I just support them for tax cuts' - fiscal consevatives that say they are socially liberal.
 
Titanoboa said:
Isn't that curly haired guy in favor of cutting defense spending? It's also literally fiscally conservative.
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I think you're referring to Rand Paul. He's a fiscal conservative, but also someone people describe as more socially liberal on the Republican side. He's a self-identified libertarian too, like Colin. Oh look, here he is discussing how much he dislikes the Civil Rights Act because it's government regulation: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/d259c277858b

Peak libertarianism right here
 
robertoci said:
I've missed most of the context here so please correct me if i'm wrong but is it all because of that one tweet? It was a joke, sure it was a shitty one, but are people really that easily offended? Christ.
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I don't understand why people think if someone says something shitty, every one is triggered and flipping out. People thought it was a shitty thing to say. All he had to do was say "Hey meant it as a joke really sorry about that!" But what drove the nail into the coffin was that he had to call everyone who didn't think his "joke" was funny "Humourless sacks of shit" and couldn't have enough empathy to look inward and think if he had done something wrong. Look, we're human beings and there is a lot wrong with the information we're fed from a young age. Sometimes we're not gonna know better and we're gonna say some stuff that's probably not okay. But if you learn from your mistakes and own up to them, most of the time people won't bat an eye and all is forgiven. The fact that he was willing to die on a hill for a really terrible and tactless joke is the real problem.
 
I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand he's from my general area in NY and I tend to try and support people from my neck of the woods but I hate hate hate his political stance to the point that I stopped watching kinda funny. I guess I'll have to watch them and see how they are without him.
 
Reaction on other communities has been a lot more measured and focused on his podcast contributions than any political beliefs. Sure people disagreed with him but that's what made the site and channel interesting and entertaining.
 
I always enjoyed and almost always shared Colin's opinions on games (mega man 3 4LIFE) but I always found his politics off. Something about his unquestioning faith in the system always irked me and, as politics have started coming to the forefront of basically everything right now, his beliefs, which always negated the fact that the us government DOES INDEED fuck over the people behind our backs, reflect that. I always thought he could have read more conspiracy theories to get a more rounded picture of the united states but oh well...Oh, and if I ever met him, I would be forcibly compelled to tell him to get the fuck over 311 and listen to some actually good bands for chrissake...
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative doesn't work, and people should stop regurgitating it. How exactly can a person be truly socially liberal with extreme libertarian, small government, "notaxation" views, that actively affects society as a whole?

It's essentially an oxymoron to attempt and make incredibly selfish, "fuck you, got mine" types seem less shady.

Social and Economic can't actually be separated, unless of course, you're only serious about one of them.
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This is so good and perfectly sums up what I think on the matter. So disingenuous to disassociate economics and society.
 
Neonep said:
All these people saying oh now I'm back to subscribing, oh it's better that he is gone. Please explain this one cause without him, Kinda Funny is quite boring.
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Easy. I'll explain it. Back in the Beyond days Colin and Greg actually seemed passionate about talking about games. For quite some time now it's been obvious that Colin doesn't really give two shits about games anymore. Hearing his garbage commentary on games in that monotonous, I'm-too-cool-for-school voice is what has made KF and PSILY boring for me as a long time fan.

This is not even mentioning all his shitty politics.
 
AgeEighty said:
Of course it doesn't, and he deserves criticism for it. I'm just advocating for a response in line with the severity of the transgression.

I also am well aware that Colin has had far more than just this one joke that contributed to this, but the fact is that it's this joke that's being called the last straw, which I find odd.
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Well, that's what the "last straw" is. It's the tiny thing that, on top of everything else, tips the cart.
 
klabautermann said:
I don't understand why people think if someone says something shitty, every one is triggered and flipping out. People thought it was a shitty thing to say. All he had to do was say "Hey meant it as a joke really sorry about that!" But what drove the nail into the coffin was that he had to call everyone who didn't think his "joke" was funny "Humourless sacks of shit" and couldn't have enough empathy to look inward and think if he had done something wrong. Look, we're human beings and there is a lot wrong with the information we're fed from a young age. Sometimes we're not gonna know better and we're gonna say some stuff that's probably not okay. But if you learn from your mistakes and own up to them, most of the time people won't bat an eye and all is forgiven. The fact that he was willing to die on a hill for a really terrible and tactless joke is the real problem.
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But you know what that's the type of person he is. That's why he gained that following to begin with, because he doesn't sugarcoat things he says what's on his mind, right or wrong. If you have to start apologizing for every opinion you have then f*** that s***. I would have done the same thing, not going to apologize for my opinions.
 
Not sure how I overlooked this news earlier. Wasn't a fan of his for a lot of the reasons that have probably already been discussed. Regardless he seems like a smart dude. I wish him well.
 
VincentMatts said:
But you know what that's the type of person he is. That's why he gained that following to begin with, because he doesn't sugarcoat things he says what's on his mind, right or wrong. If you have to start apologizing for every opinion you have then f*** that s***. I would have done the same thing, not going to apologize for my opinions.
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Opinions? Thought it was "just a joke"?
 
Glad they did an episode to clear things up.

I feel like colin's joke was in bad taste but I don't think it was sexist, offensive, or that he's a bad person.

Contrast this "controversy" with the JonTron nuclear waste spill. That's a real controversy. That's a real person exposed as having hateful, dangerous views.
 
Regardless of how you feel about Colin as a person, he was the only one making any content of worth at KF.
 
klabautermann said:
I don't understand why people think if someone says something shitty, every one is triggered and flipping out. People thought it was a shitty thing to say. All he had to do was say "Hey meant it as a joke really sorry about that!" But what drove the nail into the coffin was that he had to call everyone who didn't think his "joke" was funny "Humourless sacks of shit" and couldn't have enough empathy to look inward and think if he had done something wrong. Look, we're human beings and there is a lot wrong with the information we're fed from a young age. Sometimes we're not gonna know better and we're gonna say some stuff that's probably not okay. But if you learn from your mistakes and own up to them, most of the time people won't bat an eye and all is forgiven. The fact that he was willing to die on a hill for a really terrible and tactless joke is the real problem.
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Great post, this is the real issue. I mean, his political views are way off but they aren't what caused his departure from Kinda Funny. It was his inability to apologize for his behavior when it offended their own fanbase. Colin seemed to think that, since he had a portion of the audience who were his diehards and supported anything he said, he could do no wrong. Problem is, many Kinda Funny fans aren't part of that group, and have been offended by some of the things he's said, and his response was to insult them. Insulting your fanbase, when you are an entertainer who's funding comes directly from said fanbase, is bad business. So is cultivating a portion of that fanbase to attack other fans who don't worship at the shrine of Colin M. He was splintering their community.
 
Colin remained wrong. Good riddance after seeing much of his content and reading his twitter in previous threads.

Question: That "Don't tread on me"-flag thingie he has as his twitter avatar.
What exactly does it mean? Usually I seem to associate it with some kind of gun rights. Commonly though it has been a good indicator that when someone wears that mark on a flag, t-shirt whatever, they're usually an asshole.
 
TylersProphecy said:
I always enjoyed and almost always shared Colin's opinions on games (mega man 3 4LIFE) but I always found his politics off. Something about his unquestioning faith in the system always irked me and, as politics have started coming to the forefront of basically everything right now, his beliefs, which always negated the fact that the us government DOES INDEED fuck over the people behind our backs, reflect that. I always thought he could have read more conspiracy theories to get a more rounded picture of the united states but oh well...Oh, and if I ever met him, I would be forcibly compelled to tell him to get the fuck over 311 and listen to some actually good bands for chrissake...
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honestly his tweet praising 311 might be the most offensive one
 
VincentMatts said:
I don't know what he said and I don't care, what I'm saying is if I'm going to say something whether it's a joke or my opinion, I'm not going to apologize for it and neither should he.
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You could probably stand to educate yourself on why he got the backlash to begin with, but, I kiiiiiiiiiinda get the feeling like you're not the type of person who actually does their homework?
 
VincentMatts said:
But you know what that's the type of person he is. That's why he gained that following to begin with, because he doesn't sugarcoat things he says what's on his mind, right or wrong. If you have to start apologizing for every opinion you have then f*** that s***. I would have done the same thing, not going to apologize for my opinions.
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He has been controversial many times in the past. I don't think we should turn our heads to a sexist statement and let that just slide by. Words have consequences. It's not just an "opinion" he is apologizing for. Is hate speech an opinion? If people turn their heads to even minor stuff like this, you are validating the wrong kinds of people.
 
VincentMatts said:
I don't know what he said and I don't care, what I'm saying is if I'm going to say something whether it's a joke or my opinion, I'm not going to apologize for it and neither should he.
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If you are purposefully ignorant on the situation, you should not try to have an opinion on it.
 
Keasar said:
Colin remained wrong. Good riddance after seeing much of his content and reading his twitter in previous threads.

Question: That "Don't tread on me"-flag thingie he has as his twitter avatar.
What exactly does it mean? Usually I seem to associate it with some kind of gun rights. Commonly though it has been a good indicator that when someone wears that mark on a flag, t-shirt whatever, they're usually an asshole.
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It's the symbol of the tea party. That should tell you all you need to know about it.
 
Keasar said:
Colin remained wrong. Good riddance after seeing much of his content and reading his twitter in previous threads.

Question: That "Don't tread on me"-flag thingie he has as his twitter avatar.
What exactly does it mean? Usually I seem to associate it with some kind of gun rights. Commonly though it has been a good indicator that when someone wears that mark on a flag, t-shirt whatever, they're usually an asshole.
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It means he wishes the South won the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag
 
Is there a good video or podcast or series of videos/podcasts that feature Moriarty going off about politics? I've never followed him or Kinda Funny, but after reading all this, I'm interested in hearing it from his horsey mouth.
 
7DollarHagane said:
Glad they did an episode to clear things up.

I feel like colin's joke was in bad taste but I don't think it was sexist, offensive, or that he's a bad person.

Contrast this "controversy" with the JonTron nuclear waste spill. That's a real controversy. That's a real person exposed as having hateful, dangerous views.
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Not to take away from the tire fire that is JonTron, but I'm disagreeing here.

JonTron has actively hateful views and has shared them with the world.

Colin isn't "actively" racist or sexist but accomplishes the same thing by simply being nonchalant/uncaring about it or supporting libertarian and/or conservative policies that ultimately will affect and harm people, just in a much more indirect way from an outsider looking in.

I mean it's up to you to decide which you find worse, but ultimate they both serve the same purpose.
 
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