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[tenderbrew]

This is a huge bummer. Colin was a unique voice on KF that will be missed. Really curious who they will hire to replace him. KF is in a very interesting place right now.

Yup - feel like all the sites I'm supporting are in these weird fluxes. Giant Bomb, now Kinda Funny. At least Easy Allies is going strong with their current staff.

 

[Kaako]

Reading the sad and angry comments on the Twitch stream and all the support for Colin on Twitter made me realize just how isolated GAF really is.

Shit, you might as well include Youtube comments to your list while you're at it.

 

[jviggy43]

You....I like you. I hope we get a chance to discuss stuff in the future.

One of my undergraduate degrees is philosophy, which I rarely get to discuss with people so likewise my fellow gaffer!

 

[Curufinwe]

Reading the sad and angry comments on the Twitch stream and all the support for Colin on Twitter made me realize just how isolated GAF really is.

The gamergate, alt-right crowd that Colin decided to start cultivating as his fanbase are the ones isolating themselves from the rest of the videogame industry.

 

[Jotaka]

TB being an dough bag as usual.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/841420106186010625 (about article Gizmodo about JonTron video)

Man that TB audio log... wew. Of course he says that Gizmodo

- took things out of context
- didn't include citations
- is a hit piece
- was part of Gawker and therefore complicit in spreading Hulk Hogan's sex tape
- is against free speech
- is inciting harassment
- is part of the dying liberal media outlets and is just lashing out at YouTube
etc etc etc. Basically every gamergate canard in the book.

TB and Colin make a good marriage.

 

[Haly]

So consider that they have been best friends for like over a decade. Do you think his bf would be a bigoted asshole?

Did you miss the election? People were falling out over their politics everywhere across the nation. It doesn't take much to maintain a close friendship and overlook each others' flaws, especially when they have no reason to bring those flaws to the forefront. But that's what the last election cycle did, and suddenly people realized the people they knew weren't really the people they knew.

 

[Sauce Marlow]

Damn...Colin Moriarty was the best thing about Kinda Funny. Some of his content was fantastic, especially 'A Conversation With'. They really gonna struggle now without him, PS I Love You XOXO should be axed.

Colin had literally been phoning it in on ALL shows for the past six months. Nothing of value was lost.

People who think Kinda Funny will struggle without Colin are insane and clearly don't watch the channel. Colin hasn't even been on most podcasts since he started writing Colin Was Right. They'll hire Vince Ingenito and they'll be perfectly fine without the crowd of crazy alt-right nutjobs that Colin has begun cultivating.

 

[RedAssedApe]

It's beyond me that some of you are trying to paint Colin as a bigot. Are you kidding me? The dude is one of the most accepting individuals I've come across. He is like the polar opposite of a bigot, but you people just keep continuing the narrative that he is.

He just has different political views than most in games media, and I guess most gamers. That doesn't make him a bigot. He liked the engage in political discussion and wasn't afraid to voice his right leaning opinions. However I never got the impression he was a bigot at all. Alt-right? You have to be fucking joking with that. He's a republican with traditional republican values when it comes to government, is extremely socially liberal, and he fucking LEFT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY because of the Trump and alt-right nonsense.

It's fine if you didn't like him, but don't drag his name in the mud because you disagree with him politically. From what I've seen he is a good dude. Do you think Greg is a good guy? Of course you do....So consider that they have been best friends for like over a decade. Do you think his bf would be a bigoted asshole?

Jesus the overreaction in this thread.

Jesus the overreaction to the reactions.

 

[Lockjaw333]

Did you miss the election? People were falling out over their politics everywhere across the nation. It doesn't take much to maintain a close friendship and overlook each others' flaws, especially when they have no reason to bring those flaws to the forefront. But that's what the last election cycle did, and suddenly people realized the people they knew weren't really the people they knew.

A fair point. Maybe their relationship changed after that.

 

[CoolNumber9]

what do you think of trump

i genuinely think it's really sad that people value "speaking what you think!" over the truth.

I don't do politics or religion, I'm a non voter and a non religious person. You opinion is your opinion. If you like trump, good. If you don't also good, does not affect me and my life either either way, but you have a way you feel about something and if you speak it reguardless of other people think then good. Like I said he spoke how he felt agree with it or not and I respect that. I was mostly speaking about his games coverage though. He does go on political rants and that's good too if that's what he feels strongly about, I don't pay a ton of attention to that stuff.

 

[eggandI]

Alright hold up, as an aside, this is one of the most infuriating descriptions anyone can ever have to describe themselves politically, because it's literally wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"I'm totally on your side, I'm just supporting all the policies that do nothing but harm you, but it's nothing personal, it's just in my financial best interest to do so"

Saying you're socially liberal but fiscally conservative is saying you don't actually give a fuck about anyone but yourself, but you're too afraid to openly admit it.

You then spin it as a positive. Since you "don't care" about other people, you don't match up with those who are actively bigots/racists/sexists/etc, so you seem reasonable. But since you're still voting for policies that ultimately serve to harm those who aren't already rich and/or white, at the end of the day you're doing the exact same fucking thing.

Colin's problem isn't that he's actively racist/sexist. It's that when confronted by the idea that he could have been either of those things, even by accident, he shrugs it off and/or lashes out/doubles down on it. That doesn't seem like a "level headed" person. He just wants to preach and not be questioned. "Colin was Right" isn't a joke. It's actually how he lives his life.

Good post and I agree. These people love to position themselves as the rational ones they're really just too cowardly to fully own their positions.

 

[HStallion]

Man who doesn't like Trump will work for Trump. Yeah, sure.

So most of the Republican establishment

 

[Raven117]

One of my undergraduate degrees is philosophy, which I rarely get to discuss with people so likewise my fellow gaffer!

Philosophy is dangerous here on Gaf. Questions posed to kick around can quickly become "Your closely held belief!" (according to some folks who take a question posed by someone as them believing it...or something you want to have happen)

Well, I'm a lawyer, so we can debate until the keyboards fall apart! HA! (you will talk circles around me in philosophy)

Ill look for ya in other threads that aren't as volatile as this one.

 

[Kaako]

So most of the Republican establishment

Hot damn.
Fucking Trump.

 

[Blackthorn]

Did you miss the election? People were falling out over their politics everywhere across the nation. It doesn't take much to maintain a close friendship and overlook each others' flaws, especially when they have no reason to bring those flaws to the forefront. But that's what the last election cycle did, and suddenly people realized the people they knew weren't really the people they knew.

As much as I'd like to see the team get more diverse, Vince is a perfect fit. He's got encyclopaedic knowledge of videogames, but isn't as "good old days" as Colin could be.

 

[inner-G]

Alright hold up, as an aside, this is one of the most infuriating descriptions anyone can ever have to describe themselves politically, because it's literally wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"I'm totally on your side, I'm just supporting all the policies that do nothing but harm you, but it's nothing personal, it's just in my financial best interest to do so"

Saying you're socially liberal but fiscally conservative is saying you don't actually give a fuck about anyone but yourself, but you're too afraid to openly admit it.

That's not accurate at all.

What if someone is liberal when it comes to gay marriage, civil rights, Pro-choice, Pro-cannabis, etc. but is also for lowering taxes on businesses and cutting defense spending?

There are people on almost all sides of all issues. Someone can totally be fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time. There are many ways to cut spending besides cutting social programs.

 

[Paper Sparrow]

I don't do politics or religion, I'm a non voter and a non religious person. You opinion is your opinion. If you like trump, good. If you don't also good, does not affect me and my life either either way, but you have a way you feel about something and if you speak it reguardless of other people think then good. Like I said he spoke how he felt agree with it or not and I respect that. I was mostly speaking about his games coverage though. He does go on political rants and that's good too if that's what he feels strongly about, I don't pay a ton of attention to that stuff.

Must be nice.

 

[Some Nobody]

I'm a little confused by this but open to new information.

I'm a long-time fan of Colin's. I might not agree with all of his political views but even when I've disagreed with him he's expressed his views in a rational, respectful way.

His comment on Twitter may have been badly judged but I didn't detect any malice in it. It was just an unfunny joke, that's all. I also have some sympathy with the reaction against the extremes of identity politics (and I say this as a woman and a feminist who works with the LGBT community). The level of debate out there I see is often histrionic, silencing and leaps to condemnation far too quickly. It just creates intractable divisions with the extremes of idpol on one side and the alt-right on the other while those of us somewhere in between feel our IQs dropping.

I saw him on the Rubin Report and thought he put across his views in a calm and sensible manner. They made me think and I think it's valuable to have what I would see as opposing voices to mine out there, so I can listen and learn more both about the way others see the world and the way my view differs.

Is there something else I'm missing? I just don't understand the level of hatred because of a badly judged tweet when all of the other evidence I know of suggests someone who is socially liberal, fiscally conservative and generally a compassionate and thoughtful human being (just perhaps not a particularly funny one in this case).

No lies detected.

This is actually a bummer. 90% of the content I've consumed on KF had nothing to do with politics, and this is a situation in which the show is going to be poorer for it because everyone else just gets along so well. Colin and Greg played off each other. Now what do you have--Greg and Tim? Nick barely likes games. Are there just going to be guest-stars every fucking week?

And it outright sounds like PSILY is dead, which is REALLY a bummer since I JUST got into the show all of a few months ago.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Man who doesn't like Trump will work for Trump. Yeah, sure.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I don't do politics or religion, I'm a non voter and a non religious person. You opinion is your opinion. If you like trump, good. If you don't also good, does not affect me and my life either either way, but you have a way you feel about something and if you speak it reguardless of other people think then good. Like I said he spoke how he felt agree with it or not and I respect that. I was mostly speaking about his games coverage though. He does go on political rants and that's good too if that's what he feels strongly about, I don't pay a ton of attention to that stuff.

Do you live on a different planet? How do you think him being President doesn't affect you?

 

[red720]

I like Greg Miller from what I've seen of him on guest appearances on Giant Bomb and stuff, but I never really spent much time checking out Kinda Funny because one of the main guys was a libertarian know it all douche with the twitter handle @notaxation (also kind of presumptuous to call your gaming channel Kinda Funny -the audience will be the judge of that) . I might give them a look now.

 

[jviggy43]

Is it because of the tweet? Yeah it was in poor taste but I think the reaction was over blown. It was a missed joke IMO, not much else.

If it's the "humorless shit bags" comment, then yeah that's a shit thing to say. Maybe he was on edge, I can't speak for him and I don't condone that. But it seems out of character for the Colin I've followed for years. The whole situation is shit.

Having said that, he is not a bigot. I haven't seen that in all the years I've watched him. I just imagine if he was my friend, and seeing how people are destroying him and calling him a bigot. It's just too much to me. There are actual real bigots out there, horrible people like some of the names that have been dropped in this thread. I don't think Colin classifies as one.

For some reason I feel the need to state that I'm like super far left liberal. I'm not a right winger defending him. I disagree with him mostly, I just don't think he is a bad dude.

But these aren't isolated events. We all can agree the tweets and repsonses were pretty shitty but that isn't even the full extent to which collin has continuously said shit like this. He can be a nice guy and still have shit opinions that are harmful to particular groups of society, whcih is the basis for which people are using to condemn his antics. A lot of people associate bigotry/misogyny/racism as requiring an intent to actively discriminate; this is a sufficient yet unnecessary competent to these concepts. I know plenty of people who genuinely believe in strict heterosexual marriage and believe they are doing the right thing, regardless of whether its intrusive to an entire set of people. That qualifies as discrimination, regardless of their intent or desire to be nice.

Collin has no one but himself to blame for the perception many of us have of him here. Being the nicest guy in the world doesn't absolve him from the shit he constantly says with regards to women/minorities, etc. Furthermore, he literally let this boil over to the point of leaving his company rather than dial it back or show some sense of acceptance to others' concerns. That alone should tell you how serious he believes in these messages.

Philosophy is dangerous here on Gaf. Questions posed to kick around can quickly become "Your closely held belief!" (according to some folks who take a question posed by someone as them believing it...or something you want to have happen)

Well, I'm a lawyer, so we can debate until the keyboards fall apart! HA! (you will talk circles around me in philosophy)

Ill look for ya in other threads that aren't as volatile as this one.

Very cool! Im a graduate student in criminology hoping to add his JD to his resume in the upcoming year or two here.

 

[Mael]

Alright hold up, as an aside, this is one of the most infuriating descriptions anyone can ever have to describe themselves politically, because it's literally wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"I'm totally on your side, I'm just supporting all the policies that do nothing but harm you, but it's nothing personal, it's just in my financial best interest to do so"

Saying you're socially liberal but fiscally conservative is saying you don't actually give a fuck about anyone but yourself, but you're too afraid to openly admit it.

You then spin it as a positive. Since you "don't care" about other people, you don't match up with those who are actively bigots/racists/sexists/etc, so you seem reasonable. But since you're still voting for policies that ultimately serve to harm those who aren't already rich and/or white, at the end of the day you're doing the exact same fucking thing.

Colin's problem isn't that he's actively racist/sexist. It's that when confronted by the idea that he could have been either of those things, even by accident, he shrugs it off and/or lashes out/doubles down on it. That doesn't seem like a "level headed" person. He just wants to preach and not be questioned. "Colin was Right" isn't a joke. It's actually how he lives his life.

I feel like this is basically the nationalist/patriotic dilemna.
Like being liberal socially and fiscally conservative could work as in you're all about tax breaks and supporting corporations while being all about abortions and being about corporations having strong incentives to provide social nets for the poors and what not.
But this type has been slaughtered and now it's the Colin types that wear the skin and parade the corpse like it's in fashion.

 

[sploatee]

Yes. You're missing something major. Namely his passionate stance against women and minorities on the last PS ILY, and then the reaction to his followers, calling them "humorless sacks of shit", after making the sexist Tweet. Then there's everything else he's been saying over the last year or so as well that has taken him down this path.

He tweets things with the intention of stirring up controversy. His rabid fans eat it up, salivate at the thought of "PC liberals" becoming triggered, and attack other members of the gaming press. This kind of behavior serves to fracture the community and people were getting tired of it.

Hmm. I had a quick flick back through Twitter (I try to stay away from Twitter as much as possible) and can see how he's become more outspoken. I'm not sure he's said anything worthy of condemnation though. Disagreement, yes, but hatred, no. Maybe there's some tweets I've missed though.

I think the problem with this is that you're correlating them being able to articulate their socially backwards views in a calm manner as though that excuses the basis for those views. Milo Y was a master at presenting his neo-nazi opinions in a level-headed way - that did not, at any point, make those views sensible. It's one of the biggest flaws in the moderate/centrist way of thinking, and it's something that is being spoken out against more and more.

I also wouldn't call the way he reacted to some of the criticisms I've seen of him as calm, rational or sensible. He basically told everyone who took offense to his joke that they should eat shit. Any illusion that he is a decent person should have been shattered by that alone. But then, consider what his opinions actually are, and...

Obviously, you disagree with him. But I guess the counter-argument is that he is reacting against the fact that people found the joke offensive in the first place and so is doubling down on his position. It's the (reasonable) opposing view that rational debate is being threatened by the reaction to anything which disagrees with an opinion voiced by an "unprivileged" group as being somehow -phobic, bigoted or hateful, or the views of cisgender, heterosexual white men as being invalid at the point of origin unless they first acknowledge the importance of their identity in their viewpoint.

I don't see how there is any way forward without being moderate. As things stand, both sides are getting more extreme and that is what is most worrying to me. I fear we will end up with those alienated by the "offense culture" (I'm using scare quotes deliberately as I know there's not a neutral phrase I can use here (unless you can correct me, would be happy to be corrected) getting all of their news and commentary from Breitbart and becoming steadfastly against social justice, while the opposing side ignores valid cultural criticism simply because it involves underprivileged groups.

It's this divide which is leading to Brexit, Trump and potentially Le Pen and Wilders. Here in the UK it's led to Jeremy Corbyn which has led to an ineffectual Labour party which has led to a dominant conservatism which means I see more people sleeping rough every day, more teenagers I work with being unable to access mental health care and social care and less job security than I can remember. Without moderation and points of compromise, progress is impossible.

 

[AgeEighty]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

 

[Krabboss]

That's not accurate at all.

What if someone is liberal when it comes to gay marriage, civil rights, Pro-choice, Pro-cannabis, etc. but is also for lowering taxes on businesses and cutting defense spending?

There are people on almost all sides of all issues. Someone can totally be fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time. There are many ways to cut spending besides cutting social programs.

Imagine thinking cutting defense spending is a conservative position.

Also fiscal conservatism disadvantages poor people and minority groups always and forever.

 

[Raven117]

Very cool! Im a graduate student in criminology hoping to add his JD to his resume in the upcoming year or two here.

Now that is way more interesting than being a lawyer.

 

[Calderc]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

The point >.


You seem to be in a parallel universe, missing the point by so much you are completely unaware.

 

[ScientificPizza]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

The fact that, after all of this, people are still riding in on their horse to say "whoa gang, it was just a joke!" makes me wanna tear my skin off

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

Good thing none of the things you have described actually happened.

 

[RevolverRoden]

Kind of sad that it had to end this way. I've always liked Colin's content and something about his personality was cool to me, but I could always tell he was kind of arrogant tbh. His head was so far up his ass that he couldn't even make a half-hearted apology for his lame edgy tweet or at least acknowledge it in some self-aware way. Instead he doubled down on it. I get he wants to hold his ground on issues he thinks he's right on (though honestly who the hell cares if people are "too triggered," its not even a real issue), but the consequences this time were just not worth it.

Oh well. Good luck to Colin. I'm curious to see what he'll do next. Hope he doesn't end up going full alt-right.

 

[Zackat]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

read the thread, this has been explained a million times.

 

[HStallion]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

Being a comedian doesn't make you immune to criticism or fall out from your jokes

 

[tiredheadcrab]

People are more upset that he is trying to bait an outrage reaction. It's something Milo does I guess and it gets rather old. In the end he compared the outrage he supposedly saw to a recent Bill Maher new rule segment and it's not really the same thing in the end. Maher built a brand around being politically incorrect and Colin is building a brand around gaming. He is a representative of Kinda Funny which has a community of followers that can be affected by his actions. If he wants to do this then being a member of Kinda of funny, which I believe Greg would like a more progressive platform, isn't the place for it.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Might be watchable now.

 

[EmiPrime]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

This annoyance at Colin at KF has been brewing for a while now and it wasn't the idiotic joke so much as his responses that followed it, not helped by Colin's GF shit stirring after Greg desperately tried to salvage things and draw a line under it. Please read up on what happened before calling it an overreaction.

 

[LionPride]

I’m not a fan of Colin or his politics, but come on. This was a lazy joke and not a particularly funny one (like most of his material), but to sever a business partnership over it? I don’t think it’s in that territory. Comedians should be allowed to misread their audience and/or miss the mark with a joke from time to time, then pick themselves up and try again.

When we have this kind of overreaction to a moribund observation like “Ha, women aren’t quiet or peaceful and sometimes we men kind of like time to ourselves,” it diminishes the impact of our reaction to things more truly deserving of righteous anger, many of which involve far more mean-spirited jokes about women.

I....
You....


GAH!

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Reading the sad and angry comments on the Twitch stream and all the support for Colin on Twitter made me realize just how isolated GAF really is.

People who follow him on twitter and other social media tend to be his fans?

 

[TylersProphecy]

Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative doesn't work, and people should stop regurgitating it. How exactly can a person be truly socially liberal with extreme libertarian, small government, "notaxation" views, that actively affects society as a whole?

It's essentially an oxymoron to attempt and make incredibly selfish, "fuck you, got mine" types seem less shady.

Social and Economic can't actually be separated, unless of course, you're only serious about one of them.

I believe when ACTUALLY socially liberal,fiscally conservative people existed (ie, the ones who began the rhetoric), it was indeed possible to be both at the same time but yeah, the 80's-90's were a long time ago and everything you're saying, in a modern day atmosphere, is accurate. Shit can't work anymore and one could pose the argument that acting like that could work in the first place is how we got where we are today, but that's honestly just one of an endless amount of variables as to why our world is the way it is.

 

[Gator86]

Alright hold up, as an aside, this is one of the most infuriating descriptions anyone can ever have to describe themselves politically, because it's literally wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"I'm totally on your side, I'm just supporting all the policies that do nothing but harm you, but it's nothing personal, it's just in my financial best interest to do so"

Saying you're socially liberal but fiscally conservative is saying you don't actually give a fuck about anyone but yourself, but you're too afraid to openly admit it.

You then spin it as a positive. Since you "don't care" about other people, you don't match up with those who are actively bigots/racists/sexists/etc, so you seem reasonable. But since you're still voting for policies that ultimately serve to harm those who aren't already rich and/or white, at the end of the day you're doing the exact same fucking thing.

Colin's problem isn't that he's actively racist/sexist. It's that when confronted by the idea that he could have been either of those things, even by accident, he shrugs it off and/or lashes out/doubles down on it. That doesn't seem like a "level headed" person. He just wants to preach and not be questioned. "Colin was Right" isn't a joke. It's actually how he lives his life.

Yup, it's a garbage-ass phrase that means less than nothing. "I support policies that have led to the long-term disenfranchisement of people of color and directly inhibit their accumulation of wealth but I won't call you the n-word to your face." Oh my, what a generous contribution to society!

 

[Jebusman]

That's not accurate at all.

What if someone is liberal when it comes to gay marriage, civil rights, Pro-choice, Pro-cannabis, etc. but is also for lowering taxes on businesses and cutting defense spending?

There are people on almost all sides of all issues. Someone can totally be fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time. There are many ways to cut spending besides cutting social programs.

I get the example you're trying to make here but the bolded is not what I would describe as "fiscally conservative".

 

[dark_quota]

Sucks that he has left, but look forward to hearing more about his next venture.

 

[esmith08734]

I personally don't care who Colin follows on his personal Twitter account. He's the same person who things Steve Bannon is a smart man, so I wouldn't get so upset about this.

Is there like a recap video?

 

[Lockjaw333]

Yup, it's a garbage-ass phrase that means less than nothing. "I support policies that have led to the long-term disenfranchisement of people of color and directly inhibit their accumulation of wealth but I won't call you the n-word to your face." Oh my, what a generous contribution to society!

Lol. When you put it that way it does seem really shitty.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Isn't that curly haired guy in favor of cutting defense spending? It's also literally fiscally conservative.

It's literally fiscally conservative, but it's not politically fiscally conservative

 

[robertoci]

I've missed most of the context here so please correct me if i'm wrong but is it all because of that one tweet? It was a joke, sure it was a shitty one, but are people really that easily offended? Christ.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Buddy, I deal with such a kind of crazy that someone who simply removes himself from the conversation when they see they're wrong/doesn't want to change their mind is truly refreshing.

Besides, I hold very controversial views that I know I can't share because even though logic is on my side, the correct thing is to hold a different view. So I can relate to the guy, even though we think differently.



I want to quit my current job to start my own company and I'll be the first one to point out my performance is slipping because I'm unmotivated. If I left right now, most people around me would say I want the easy way out instead of pushing through the bullshit and getting the shit I don't like done.

I won't pretend to know what the fuck happened. Although I will assume something happened, just like you already have.



Having shit roll off your back with a snarky comment is better than debating people into a dead end. Taking criticism very well isn't always accepting criticism for me, it's having a healthy attitude towards it and not being bogged down by it.

His response to criticism of his sexist joke was to go on Glenn Beck and proclaim that no one found the joke offensive they are just all (as in every single one of them) out to get him.

That's not a mature reaction to criticism.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

I've always disliked Colin. Don't agree with his politics, never felt like he wanted to truly cover games anymore to begin with (looks like my assertion is correct)

But as a financially sound and fair person that I'd like to think that I am, KindofFunny better be paying him residuals. The company wouldn't exist if it weren't for him and he still should be entitled to a portion of the funds the company gets. It's only fair.

 

[APF]

I don't do politics or religion, I'm a non voter and a non religious person. You opinion is your opinion. If you like trump, good. If you don't also good, does not affect me and my life either either way

Putting aside your point, and putting aside Colin leaving* etc., politics affects you and political discussion affects you. Even if you don't want it to, and even if you don't want to have anything to do with it. It'll just affect you without your input or knowledge. You can be fine with wilful ignorance or obliviousness--that's your right--but you're trading in your credibility for the future when it affects you or your loved ones in a manner that you can no ignore.



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Spoiler

It's hard to argue politics had nothing to do with his leaving though

 

[sploatee]

Good post and I agree. These people love to position themselves as the rational ones they're really just too cowardly to fully own their positions.

Hmm. I'm not sure I agree. For example, I would say I'm socially liberal (which I'd define as being in favour of current social "issues" like same-sex marriage, transgender rights (under which I'd include non-binary and other gender variant rights too) and others) but I believe a rational, regulated capitalism is the way to move forward. I know that a perfect "clean" capitalism is impossible but I don't see any evidence to suggest that other social structures actually produce better results. On balance, fiscal (and I want to stress: moderate) conservatism does promote business growth, which creates jobs and wealth. It's not perfect but from my experience and what I've studied / read / seen seems the best pragmatic approach.

Philosophy is dangerous here on Gaf. Questions posed to kick around can quickly become "Your closely held belief!" (according to some folks who take a question posed by someone as them believing it...or something you want to have happen)

Well, I'm a lawyer, so we can debate until the keyboards fall apart! HA! (you will talk circles around me in philosophy)

Ill look for ya in other threads that aren't as volatile as this one.

Lawyer here too! As if the above comment didn't give it away.