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[Goose_Se7en]

Not if you are one.



He should stop making New Yorkers look bad.

I'm from Brooklyn (real Brooklyn mind you, none of that gentrified ish) and he ain't making me look bad.

 

[Fisty]

Where has this idea come from that you can't call somebody out for being shitty. I feel like it's the new go to defense for saying racist things or being a bigot.

Trump's America

Witch hunt!

 

[Killroyskbg]

I don't agree with Colin on much but reading this thread one thing he is right on is how awful people can be on both sides.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

It's important to note that he's consistently made it clear time and time again that he has no ill-will against any of the Kinda Funny guys, and that he wishes them all the success in the world. The ridiculous trolls that keep downvoting every Kinda Funny video are total buffoons.

He has also managed to thank a load of people publicly about the support he has got yet not once that I have seen thanked the rest of the kf crew.

 

[FelipeMGM]

Loyal as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IraF8wnp2XY

have they ever comented on this clip after this debacle lol?

 

[Fisty]

I don't agree with Colin on much but reading this thread one thing he is right on is how awful people can be on both sides.

Yes all those horrible intolerant people who just can't stand it when people belittle the struggles of minorities, women, and all-around rational folks

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Loyal as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IraF8wnp2XY

I think leaving is actually the loyal thing to do if you're goal is to cut the cancer (in this case himself) out to save the show.

The disloyal thing though is that he couldn't take ten seconds out of his day to call off his rabid fans from dislike bombing his old team and instead takes those seconds tweeting to stoke the flames some more causing further divide.

So loyal.

 

[jay]

I don't agree with Colin on much but reading this thread one thing he is right on is how awful people can be on both sides.

Both sides of what?

 

[rakkadakka]

Trump's America

Witch hunt!

Everybody trigger everybody but nobody admits it.

Wherein certain people make money off of there being "sides" in the first place.

God speed to Colin and his newfound audience.

 

[Audioboxer]

Even Greg said he believed Colin tweet was mean-spirited. Why would he defend a friend that is in the wrong?

Some of you guys have this romanticized idea of friendship. Friendship isn't loyalty without question.

It certainly isn't. It also isn't always the second someone does something wrong they're out the door, friendship over and fuck them. Unless it's incredibly serious, possibly direct harm or something so unforgivable.

Have you ever causally read an advice thread on GAF about family/friends or work colleagues that might have made a mistake or possibly have an iffy political or social stance? Nuance is lost on some people. It's straight to dial nuclear the second someone has a bit of a social disagreement.

I honestly don't know how anyone could be friends with some posters on here. You'd literally need to be a clone. 100% the same. Life is full of social landmines and friends and family erupting in disagreements. You tend to take the overall package of a person into consideration before catapulting them into the sun never to speak to them again and hold a hater boner till the day you're dead.

Greg called Colin out, Colin might disagree, but that doesn't mean Greg hates Colin now, Colin hates Greg and everyone hates everyone. Greg's lived with Colin, he'll know what he's like. It was most likely a combo of yes, calling him out, but also trying to calm down some of the flames of the internet losing its collective mind. As I framed it earlier this has erupted/spilled over into the internet culture war more than anything. Projection galore, people hating other people and taking opportunities to air their own personal grievances off the back of Colin and take pot shots at others who don't agree with them. I seriously doubt anyone really gives a shit this much about Colin. Half the people involved probably don't watch KF or even care about it.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I wonder what the overlap is between people who use "SJW" as a pejorative and "trigger" sarcastically?

Where has this idea come from that you can't call somebody out for being shitty. I feel like it's the new go to defense for saying racist things or being a bigot.

Libertarian/conservative snowflakes!

 

[Gator86]

Where has this idea come from that you can't call somebody out for being shitty. I feel like it's the new go to defense for saying racist things or being a bigot.

It's been the political climate in America for a while. The book Strangers in Their Own Land covers this topic, as does a lot of the press and chat about it. A lot of people commonly feel under siege for expressing what many others would call bigoted comments. People want a safe space to express those types of views and use less articulate language. The governor of Maine threatened to murder a state legislator after the legislator called him racist for saying the state was at war with black people. A ton of people find the act of confronting bigotry far more horrifying than the bigotry itself.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

I don't agree with Colin on much but reading this thread one thing he is right on is how awful people can be on both sides.

Man the thing that's gotten popular that I really dislike especially since Trump came into the picture is that false equivalency is now seen as an acceptable logical argument.

 

[Manbig]

I'm from Brooklyn (real Brooklyn mind you, none of that gentrified ish) and he ain't making me look bad.

That's funny, because I'm from Manhattan (Lower East Side housing project section of Manhattan mind you, the last bit of the area that is about to be completely swallowed by the rapid gentrification) and he reminds me a lot of the douchebag transplants I see walking around.

Guess they come in all types.

 

[firehawk12]

I wonder what the overlap is between people who use "SJW" as a pejorative and "trigger" sarcastically?

Libertarian/conservative snowflakes!

All these conservative cuck snowflakes being triggered into safe spaces.

 

[Armaros]

Man the thing that's gotten popular that I really dislike especially since Trump came into the picture is that false equivalency is now seen as an acceptable logical argument.

I call it 'BothSideism'

Pair this with the golden mean fallacy and you have a wonderful ballgame

 

[Darryl M R]

You totally missed the point. Greg can disagree with the Tweet but still be obligated to say that just because of the Tweet, Colin is not an actual bigot by a 10 year bond. Greg would've never been as successful as he was without Colin, especially in fostering that core Beyond audience and all members of that audience got, me being one of them, was the sound of silence.

Or maybe he saw something similar to Lime's post and thought Colin's actions should speak louder than his words.


"My friend isn't a sexist or a bigot, he just sounds like one."

Greg is suppose to keep on putting his neck out for someone that continuously stirs up negative attention? That doesn't make any sense. Colin is a grown ass man. If he wants people to stop thinking he is a sexist or a bigot he needs to work on what he gets across to others.

 

[Gator86]

I call it 'BothSideism'

Pair this with the golden mean fallacy and you have a wonderful ballgame

Both sides and "so much for the tolerant left" basically provide an airtight defense for anything when people engage in intellectually vapid discourse.

 

[FyreWulff]

the ol "both sides of GamerGate"

please remember the entire reason GamerGate exists is because some loon fabricated a story wholecloth and people took Reddit moderators deleting links to his complete fabrication as the spam it was, and started their whole subreddit based off a complete and utter fucking lie.

As I said earlier, it appears Colin likes to indulge in bothsidesism and has the political conviction of butter put up to a blowtorch. He's trying to constantly not own his own political views, and someone that bounces around like that trying to play people eventually bounce themselves out of the conversation.

 

[meanspartan]

Looks like there's a decent amount of behind the scenes stuff that went down, Colin pretty much hinted at that. I'd love to hear the whole story, but at the same time it sounds like a case of 'nonya business'.

But thats the best kind of business to know!!! hahaha

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I don't agree with Colin on much but reading this thread one thing he is right on is how awful people can be on both sides.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

It certainly isn't. It also isn't always the second someone does something wrong they're out the door, friendship over and fuck them. Unless it's incredibly serious, possibly direct harm or something so unforgivable.

Have you ever causally read an advice thread on GAF about family/friends or work colleagues that might have made a mistake or possibly have an iffy political or social stance? Nuance is lost on some people. It's straight to dial nuclear the second someone has a bit of a social disagreement.

I honestly don't know how anyone could be friends with some posters on here. You'd literally need to be a clone. 100% the same. Life is full of social landmines and friends and family erupting in disagreements. You tend to take the overall package of a person into consideration before catapulting them into the sun never to speak to them again and hold a hater boner till the day you're dead.

Greg called Colin out, Colin might disagree, but that doesn't mean Greg hates Colin now, Colin hates Greg and everyone hates everyone. Greg's lived with Colin, he'll know what he's like. It was most likely a combo of yes, calling him out, but also trying to calm down some of the flames of the internet losing its collective mind.

You know what my friends and I do? If someone says or does something that the other considers wrong or shitty we don't pussyfoot around. We tell each other straight up and then because we're friends we consider each other's feelings, and through introspection think about our own behavior and change if it's warranted.

Do you feel like Colin has done this?

Also what do you mean the second he messed up? Did Colin suddenly just change yesterday or something?

 

[Lothars]

Look he is just telling his side of the story, and you need to watch the interview. And form your own opinion, stop this "lets gang up together and we need to destroy Colin" mentality.

I have formed my own opinion on Colin and my opinion on him gets lower and lower.

And they will defend you when people accuse you of being an asshole in your entirety.

Well the things he's been saying and doing are indefensible and I hope they are telling him he's being an asshole. Colin leaving KF is probably the best thing for it.

 

[Dangansona]

I remember when Greg used the term "real musicians" while comparing people who submit PS I Love You XOXO songs that they personally created to career musicians at some point, without really meaning anything nefarious. He kept the statement in the show instead of editing it out, but he came out ahead of the show with a statement saying he apologizes in advance, because "that was a shitty thing to say that I didn't truly mean". It made all the difference. I wonder if Colin thinks doing that is harmful in some way.



I think that's a simple omission. If someone directly talked to Greg publicly while calling Colin a "complete sexist bigot", I'm sure he would've defended him.

I'm surprised he didn't just edit it out... That's what I would have done.

 

[CrazyShady]

I think leaving is actually the loyal thing to do if you're goal is to cut the cancer (in this case himself) out to save the show.

The disloyal thing though is that he couldn't take ten seconds out of his day to call off his rabid fans from dislike bombing his old team and instead takes those seconds tweeting to stoke the flames some more causing further divide.

So loyal.

Why is that his responsibility? Sure I don't agree with those rabid fans dislike bombing, or any dislike bombing period, but I don't think its "disloyal" for him not to take action.

Also I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean what he said after that video. But you know people grow and change. Do you still speak with every single person you've considered a "closest friend" over the years? Impossible. Just because he's a sort of public figure doesn't mean he should be chastised for this, regardless of whether you agree/disagree with his viewpoints.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Their comments about Bernie Sanders and his evil, three houses are so weird. This isn't about capital.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Why is that his responsibility? Sure I don't agree with those rabid fans dislike bombing, or any dislike bombing period, but I don't think its "disloyal" for him not to take action.

Also I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean what he said after that video. But you know people grow and change. Do you still speak with every single person you've considered a "closest friend" over the years? Impossible. Just because he's a sort of public figure doesn't mean he should be chastised for this, regardless of whether you agree/disagree with his viewpoints.

Because they were doing it in his name. If people were saying things like "fuck Islam" and "fems are cunts" in some show of support for me, I'd sure as shit take 2 seconds from my personal mission of martyrdom and "both sides"-ism to denounce that bullshit.

 

[Rookhelm]

Where has this idea come from that you can't call somebody out for being shitty. I feel like it's the new go to defense for saying racist things or being a bigot.

"Pointing out my racism makes you a bigot!! Bigot!"

 

[Audioboxer]

You know what my friends and I do? If someone says or does something that the other considers wrong or shitty we don't pussyfoot around. We tell each other straight up and then because we're friends we consider each other's feelings, and through introspection think about our own behavior and change if it's warranted.

Do you feel like Colin has done this?

Also what do you mean the second he messed up? Did Colin suddenly just change yesterday or something?

And how do you know none of that has been done? Greg has lived with Colin and grown up with him for years. You're basing your thoughts off of social media and what either carefully curate via their message to the general public.

Keep in mind your style of friendship isn't the same as what everyone else adheres to either. Some friends are rather hands off when it comes to political leanings as it's a you do you I'll do me.

That last statement plays into my points as well. If Colin has been who he has been for ages, the KF guys know that and they were best friends through all of it.

 

[Killroyskbg]

Yes all those horrible intolerant people who just can't stand it when people belittle the struggles of minorities, women, and all-around rational folks

There are different ways you can tackle something like that. There are grown up ways and there are not so much grown up ways. Celebrating a guy more or less having to quit his job and getting constantly harassed and ridiculed for having a difference of opinion.

He has already been "defeated" yet still lots of people for some reason still have to pile on him for what? You got him off a show that you did not have to watch or agree with what he said and now he will talk probably only to people who agree with him yet still everybody follows his every move for a chance to throw more shit on him. Why?

It does not matter if you hurt/belittle a minority a majority or in this case a single individual doing so with anger only proves you are as bad as the ones you are accusing of the same.

 

[Lothars]

Why is that his responsibility? Sure I don't agree with those rabid fans dislike bombing, or any dislike bombing period, but I don't think its "disloyal" for him not to take action.

It's his responsibility because he is the one responsible for his fanbase being shitty in the first place. He never did anything to stop his fanbase from attacking others but he should have.

 

[APF]

I honestly don't know how anyone could be friends with some posters on here.

I think a lot of folks here might have difficulty finding someone to play Four Swords with.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

It certainly isn't. It also isn't always the second someone does something wrong they're out the door, friendship over and fuck them. Unless it's incredibly serious, possibly direct harm or something so unforgivable.

Have you ever causally read an advice thread on GAF about family/friends or work colleagues that might have made a mistake or possibly have an iffy political or social stance? Nuance is lost on some people. It's straight to dial nuclear the second someone has a bit of a social disagreement.

I honestly don't know how anyone could be friends with some posters on here. You'd literally need to be a clone. 100% the same. Life is full of social landmines and friends and family erupting in disagreements. You tend to take the overall package of a person into consideration before catapulting them into the sun never to speak to them again and hold a hater boner till the day you're dead.

Greg called Colin out, Colin might disagree, but that doesn't mean Greg hates Colin now, Colin hates Greg and everyone hates everyone. Greg's lived with Colin, he'll know what he's like. It was most likely a combo of yes, calling him out, but also trying to calm down some of the flames of the internet losing its collective mind. As I framed it earlier this has erupted/spilled over into the internet culture war more than anything. Projection galore, people hating other people and taking opportunities to air their own personal grievances off the back of Colin and take pot shots at others who don't agree with them. I seriously doubt anyone really gives a shit this much about Colin. Half the people involved probably don't watch KF or even care about it.

Im gonna take a wild guess and say they have told Colin multiple times behind the scenes to cut his shit out and try to actually be a better person and Colin didnt take too kindly to that. Self reflection doesn't seem like something Colin is capable of.

 

[Nanashrew]

Ah yes, both sides are bad argument where one side is harassing and trying to rid the game industry of women and people of color by harassing, doxxing and death threats, while the other side just wants to make the games they want to make.

Toooootally fair and equal.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Vinc]

I'm surprised he didn't just edit it out... That's what I would have done.

He clearly meant to say "real musicians" as in "musicians who do it for a living". He just recognized that his statement might be taken the wrong way and be taken as offensive, so he clarified that he didn't mean anything nefarious by it. I think it's a good example that people don't need to censor themselves if they simply show a little empathy for people who think differently than they do.

I think if Colin did something similar, nothing would've happened.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

There are different ways you can tackle something like that. There are grown up ways and there are not so much grown up ways. Celebrating a guy more or less having to quit his job and getting constantly harassed and ridiculed for having a difference of opinion.

He has already been "defeated" yet still lots of people for some reason still have to pile on him for what? You got him off a show that you did not have to watch or agree with what he said and now he will talk probably only to people who agree with him yet still everybody follows his every move for a chance to throw more shit on him. Why?

It does not matter if you hurt/belittle a minority a majority or in this case a single individual doing so with anger only proves you are as bad as the ones you are accusing of the same.

This is a discussion forum, people are discussing the issue of Colin leaving KF. If that's "dog piling" to you then I don't know what to tell you.

And nobody "got him off the show". He left of his own free will, just like people criticized him of their own free will. He's a libertarian. He should appreciate that.

 

[Audioboxer]

Im gonna take a wild guess and say they have told Colin multiple times behind the scenes to cut his shit out and try to actually be a better person and Colin didnt take too kindly to that. Self reflection doesn't seem like something Colin is capable of.

Cut some of his shit out, sure. Be a better person? Who knows as that is projecting quite a bit. The guys know Colin far better than anyone on GAF and how he acts in day to day life and around them, their friends and their family will be a large part of the sum of him "as a person". Which is why I said above most friends take their friends as the overall package. If things were as bloodlust as some are projecting in here I don't think you'd have seen the crew visibly upset at this breakup.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Why is that his responsibility? Sure I don't agree with those rabid fans dislike bombing, or any dislike bombing period, but I don't think its "disloyal" for him not to take action.

Also I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean what he said after that video. But you know people grow and change. Do you still speak with every single person you've considered a "closest friend" over the years? Impossible. Just because he's a sort of public figure doesn't mean he should be chastised for this, regardless of whether you agree/disagree with his viewpoints.

He doesn't have a responsibility to but if you're gonna hold yourself out as an extremely loyal person to the KF team who won't leave and then you leave... And then you don't even go a thing that would take the absolute smallest effort possible to help the team you yourself proclaimed you are so loyal to... Then what exactly makes you loyal?

I dunno what the second part of your post even really refers to or is a response to. But yeah I keep in touch with everyone I've considered my closest friends. I dunno how that's impossible or even difficult to do. I'm going on 35 and that still hasn't been difficult.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Ah yes, both sides are bad argument where one side is harassing and trying to rid the game industry of women and people of color by harassing, doxxing and death threats, while the other side just wants to make the games they want to make.

Toooootally fair and equal.

Spoiler

/s

Is this what Colin is doing?

 

[Wedzi]

Why is that his responsibility? Sure I don't agree with those rabid fans dislike bombing, or any dislike bombing period, but I don't think its "disloyal" for him not to take action.

Also I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean what he said after that video. But you know people grow and change. Do you still speak with every single person you've considered a "closest friend" over the years? Impossible. Just because he's a sort of public figure doesn't mean he should be chastised for this, regardless of whether you agree/disagree with his viewpoints.

He built that company, he was a co founder, Greg and him built one of the most popular video game podcasts out there. This isn't a "I don't talk to my old high school friends" scenario. Greg and the rest of kinda funny are going through a real shitty time the least he could do if he gave a fuck would be to ask people to be respectful.

Also responsibility has nothing to do with loyalty. Responsibility is something you should do, loyalty is something you want to do. Loyalty is altruistic. Something Colin won't find reading The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Is this what Colin is doing?

He said both sides of the GG debate were bad, ignoring that one side was far more reprehensible and normalizing their behavior.

 

[ghornett]

Colin: "I'm going to be very public. You have not seen the last of me."

YouTube show incoming?

He mentioned an "on camera" conversation with someone on twitter so yeah imminent I'd guess. I wonder if he makes the spare bedroom his new studio?

 

[Gator86]

There are different ways you can tackle something like that. There are grown up ways and there are not so much grown up ways. Celebrating a guy more or less having to quit his job and getting constantly harassed and ridiculed for having a difference of opinion.

He has already been "defeated" yet still lots of people for some reason still have to pile on him for what? You got him off a show that you did not have to watch or agree with what he said and now he will talk probably only to people who agree with him yet still everybody follows his every move for a chance to throw more shit on him. Why?

It does not matter if you hurt/belittle a minority a majority or in this case a single individual doing so with anger only proves you are as bad as the ones you are accusing of the same.

He left KF of his own volition and was compensated in doing so. He is literally the architect of his own demise in this context. He said a bunch of dumb stuff as a public facing individual representing a company and brand. The outcome there is always the same. How is he a victim at all?

How is any of this hurting Colin anyway? He's a nobody and, in the end, will likely wind up with a much larger platform and audience thanks to this because there's always a spot for someone willing to bash PC/outrage culture and such.

Please stop trying to equivocate people being critical of dumb stuff Colin has said with some type of persecution. It's not persecution at all. If anything, it's the exact expression​ of market forces he praises.

 

[robotrock]

colin patreon incoming?

 

[firehawk12]

He left KF of his own volition and was compensated in doing so. He is literally the architect of his own demise in this context. He said a bunch of dumb stuff as a public facing individual representing a company and brand. The outcome there is always the same. How is he a victim at all?

How is any of this hurting Colin anyway? He's a nobody and, in the end, will likely wind up with a much larger platform and audience thanks to this because there's always a spot for someone willing to bash PC/outrage culture and such.

Please stop trying to equivocate people being critical of dumb stuff Colin has said with some type of persecution. It's not persecution at all. If anything, it's the exact expression​ of market forces he praises.

He's basically pulling a Milo. Given how many right-wing gamergate sites are out there, I'm sure he'd easily rally those people into paying him to make videos complaining about snowflakes in the game industry.

 

[Audioboxer]

I think a lot of folks here might have difficulty finding someone to play Four Swords with.

LOL. Just clocked this post.

Is that the one with 4 GBAs hooking up locally? As always with actual face to face interactions most people shed their internet persona and become polite/passive and a bit more laid back as social etiquette face to face is a different ball game than avatars arguing online

 

[spelen]

Isn't this the guy who essentially desliked any and all Nintendo games ?

 

[Albino_Yeti]

Isn't this the guy who essentially desliked any and all Nintendo games ?

Nope, some of his favorite games of all time are Nintendo games.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

"A provocateur? That's not who I am."

 

[idonteven]

i think colin is gonna move somewhere else,nothing is keeping him there and san fran is too scary for him