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About the moment Superman gets his burial and the audience realizes, that the movie will end soon
Sorry, I thought it was funny. 🙈
What did he mean by this?
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Bruce's speech at the end having gave up his homicidal ways. And Superman's continued selflessness despite the entire world baring down on him.
Glass Rebel
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Movie was dreadful in the cinema and it's hard to detach my feelings for it from that first experience. Which is a shame because the Ultimate Cut mitigates some of the issues I have with it. It still manages to be only passable at best but there have been worse CBMs in recent memory like Suicide Squad, Fant4stic and X-Men Apocalypse.
It's a visually appealing movie in many ways but someone on youtube perfectly described Snyder's approach to filmmaking: He is good at capturing moments but terrible at setting up these moments through scenes. They're pretty messes.
It's a visually appealing movie in many ways but someone on youtube perfectly described Snyder's approach to filmmaking: He is good at capturing moments but terrible at setting up these moments through scenes. They're pretty messes.
Gordon Shumway
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Nah..check the bolded:
This here is exactly why I think it would have scored higher. The UE is the superior cut, and a good amount of the problems some folks had would be non-existent.
philosophical...
political...
drama...
OK
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One of those days you find yourself agreeing with a Bronson post. This is truly the end of times.
political...
drama...
OK
#SupportDCfilms
One of those days you find yourself agreeing with a Bronson post. This is truly the end of times.
Messofanego
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that visual spectacle tho
Visually, it looks boring just from the colours alone. None of that is appealing!
that visual spectacle tho
It's so dark. Can't see shit, Captain!
Messofanego
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Comic book fans really say the dumbest shit.
What can you not see exactly? The scene is dark but everything is perfectly in focus. Diana slides in and bashes Doomsday in his left calf knocking him off balance then Superman rams him into the ground. You can even make out hits because the points of impact light up on Doomsday to show how unstable his body is.
Gordon Shumway
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Ya know, I've never been able to identify what it is...but fuck your right lol
This thread got koolaid as fuck.
Yeah, Logan completely killed this line of thought for the BvS apologists.
Pop-O-Matic
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Film itself might be the worst major studio release in recent memory (which says a lot when the tire-fires of Suicide Squad and Rogue One came out later that year and BVS is still inarguably worse than either of them), but yeah, all the GAF threads that spawned out of this Class 5
storm have been laugh riots. Also, Sad Affleck and Laughing Chris Evans is the gift that keeps on giving.
I really thought this was awful. The script and plot weren't thought through. Cavill's Superman is utterly joyless and the less said about Eisenberg the better.
What I found funny after was when some people said anyone who disliked it did'nt "get" the film as if it was a truly profound work of art
What I found funny after was when some people said anyone who disliked it did'nt "get" the film as if it was a truly profound work of art
I can see the parallel regarding persistence in conversation, but I would hope that's where it it ends. I like to think I put out, on the whole, better arguments that atleast make the lengthy reading more worth while.
At the very least, I don't put out a blanket statement that say everyone who disagrees with me just must not be smart enough to get it.
It kinda blows my mind the Ultimate Cut is 3 hours long. Even if it does make the film less of a fever dream in terms of coherency, it makes the pacing even worse.
The fact that there is a 4 hour cut of the movie in a vault somewhere is insane. How the fuck did Warner Brothers execs sign off on a script that may have ran in excess of 240 pages for a comic book movie?
The fact that there is a 4 hour cut of the movie in a vault somewhere is insane. How the fuck did Warner Brothers execs sign off on a script that may have ran in excess of 240 pages for a comic book movie?
Ignatz Mouse
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Ouch, cut myself on that edge!
At least Alfred was cool.
85% on RottenTomatoes.
Tire fire.
I'm hoping someday we can just go back to saying "I didn't care for this".
Metalingus5150
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I also like how a Star Wars side story did better and was a better movie. lol
I genuinely am curious to hear about these changes. Having seen both versions I seriously am so lost as to how this keeps getting touted.
You 100% make better arguments, it's the persistence with me. Both of yall are pretty tenacious. You won't go as far to say people who dislike a movie just aren't smart enough to get it...
It's the exact opposite actual, the pacing improves.
Ignatz Mouse
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Rogue One is a better movie than any superhero movie in a couple of years, except Logan.
Adam_Vania
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so from Batman, a 1 minute speech about hope following 2 hours of incoherent violent rage
as for Superman, you do realize what happens to him at the end of the movie, right?
Imbarkus
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It should have been two movies.
We all knew it the moment they revealed Doomsday in the trailer, we knew they stuffed too much in there.
Because they were in such a hurry to get a share of that Avengers bank, they rushed the individual movies, and took a two character mashup that had enough to do (and make believable) already, and mashed Dawn of Justice onto the end of it.
Meanwhile Fantastic Beasts is apparently an entire series born from a pamphlet, and a nice Hobbit novel got exploded into way too much boring film... yet multiple critical DC story arcs were all kind of mashed together into this giant movie that had no chance to succeed the minute Doomsday showed up in a trailer.
It got two-storied. It got Spiderman 3'd. Beautifully shot though.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
2 Long 2 Dumb
There are inklings of good ideas in there though. Like Bruce watching Metropolis get torn apart by the fight with Zod. I actually liked that sequence. But it takes its sweet time getting to the titular conflict. And then that isn't even very satisfying. And on top of everything we get a big dumb smash monster shoehorned into the 3rd act.
There are inklings of good ideas in there though. Like Bruce watching Metropolis get torn apart by the fight with Zod. I actually liked that sequence. But it takes its sweet time getting to the titular conflict. And then that isn't even very satisfying. And on top of everything we get a big dumb smash monster shoehorned into the 3rd act.
Ignatz Mouse
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This is oddly true of the Watchmen ultimate cut, too-- turns into more of a series of episodes than and crash-through the story.
That said, I was one of the people who understood the plot and Luthor's motivations and everything even before the extended cut. But I guess it made more sense for a lot of people.
BronsonLee
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Nobody complains about me and goddamnit no Tony was just a pup tryin to keep the fam together
BOY IS HE
I only tell truths
A 3hr version isn't so concerning to me. I find the fact that there's even an R rated cut of BvS to be a major red flag. It's like WB doesn't understand the material, and worse, the audience in the seats.
In my eyes, the R rated Ultimate Edition is proof that WB looked at what Marvel is doing and purposely went the opposite direction.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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nah i was totally serious
In Batman v Superman they incorporated, TDKR, Injustice/Apokolips, and the Death of Superman.
The last two is where the problem comes from.
The Injustice Knightmare, could have worked, as a post credits scene showing that even though Bruce trusts Clark, he knows there is an alien threat coming and is terrified of Clark turning on them for some reason. The combo of the Injustice storyline plus Apokolips led to some funky shit that broke up the movie in a strange manner.
The Death, was simply not earned. That's a whole movie plotline, not the last 30 of a 3 hour movie.
The last two is where the problem comes from.
The Injustice Knightmare, could have worked, as a post credits scene showing that even though Bruce trusts Clark, he knows there is an alien threat coming and is terrified of Clark turning on them for some reason. The combo of the Injustice storyline plus Apokolips led to some funky shit that broke up the movie in a strange manner.
The Death, was simply not earned. That's a whole movie plotline, not the last 30 of a 3 hour movie.
Yeah. I felt similarly when Battle of the Five Armies' Extended Edition got an R rating. When you somehow get an R rating for a Hobbit adaptation, you've clearly lost your way.
I now want to see this. Reminds me of Love Exposure, which already runs for nearly 4 hours, yet originally it was 6 hours long.
I care far less about the convoluted plot than I do the motivation behind each of them, where zemo's was clearly established, Lex needs a flow chart based upon a ton of assumptions to get anywhere close to a coherent outline of why his actions supported his lack of motivation, which compounds the problems people had with the convoluted plot
Man, c'mon. I saw both cuts. It's glacial in both cases, the wheels just spin and spin.
It's an incredibly inefficient film. It baffles me how a theatrical cut that clocks in at two and a half hours is as incoherent as it is, and how the extra half hour of the ultimate cut only just about help it make sense at the expense of making it an even longer slog.
Even splitting it into two films wouldn't have worked, IMO. There's like a fundamental misunderstanding of the amount of work to make these characters and scenarios believable and endearing that still would be absent if the film was split.
But yeah, all the same it's overstuffed. I can't believe anybody at WB took a look at the sheer size of the script and went "whoah buddy, slow your roll".
Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, the R-rated cut isn't explicitly more violent or raunchy than the theatrical bar some CGI blood. There's still a lot of unambiguous killing/maiming and Amy Adams naked in a tub in the theatrical cut, and that still made a 12 rating/PG-13.
It was rated R for Ass. There was not any overviolence in the Ultimate Cut.
What's so hard to understand about Lex's motivations? He explains it all on the helipad and he explains it even more in the Doomsday birth sequence. He hates everything about Superman so he tries to destroy his credibility, his image and his entire being.
I don't get what's so confusing about Lex. He's a millennial going through an existential crisis because God just so happens to be real.
Explain how he reconciles his view of power not being good with why he hates superman along with his very own position of power. Its contradictory. He hates superman for being all powerful but not good, yet he himself is powerful and very obviously not good,
At no point in your post did you explain why he hates superman and wants this. I understand his philosophy, but it makes no sense as to why he would hate superman while not also realizing how contradictory that is to his own positioning
sounds like a great superman movie
Undead Fantasy
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Fuck the haters. I loved the film.
Galactic Specter
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BvS will be remembered as a misunderstood classic.
I'm not sure what you're asking to be honest.
He wants it because Superman drives him mad? Lex is a psychopath by the end of the movie. He's consumed by his hatred and his own delusions. Trying to understand his rationale by analyzing his actions as if he was acting logically...I don't understand what one can gain from it. I don't think Lex cares about being a hypocrite.
Perhaps and if thats the case ok but then we shouldn't pretend he actually has motivation. If it boils down to "well hes just insane" then its entirely fair to say he had no real motivation as to why he hates superman.
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