How about you do your research and find out honestly. Pretty sure a few of those games are doing different things. If you like games why not?
What does Microsoft need to do to make Xbox successful again?
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Sony needs to fail, like they did with the PS3. Other than that they stand no chance, as Xbox is only relevant in America really.
Perhaps, eventually, but it's not happening now so this isn't a problem and people love the series and it's getting bigger. There's zero wrong with the Forza series and the quality of games they are producing. That's crazy talk.
MilkyJoe
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If you have to ask you should probably be in a different thread.
Radical Edward
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thekiddfran
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Get rid of the "IP factory" mentality they have created with 343, the coalition and Turn 10.
It is boring and not working for them.
They have the money to take chances
It is boring and not working for them.
They have the money to take chances
Have unique games that I cannot play anywhere else. I see no reason to own an Xbone because nearly every worthwhile game is also on PC, and nothing interesting seems to be on the horizon. It's a very boring, unappealing console, especially compared to the original Xbox and the 360.
Gnome Scat
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Take chances with new IPs.
I think Microsoft should have subsisted on the Xbox One S for a couple of more years and used the time to put together a real challenger to the PS5 instead of releasing an uprated Xbox One [Scorpio].
The Xbox One brand is tarnished (botched reveal, lagging behind PS4). It would be better for Microsoft to start afresh with a new console and a new name (with Xbox One BC). Scorpio is still, despite its power, an Xbox One.
Musky_Cheese
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Perhaps Xbox is where it always has been. Second place to PlayStation
PlayStation is just the bigger brand. Even we arrogant Sony was at its worst, Xbox was not overtaking PlayStation worldwide.
PlayStation is just the bigger brand. Even we arrogant Sony was at its worst, Xbox was not overtaking PlayStation worldwide.
Haha, ok I will bite
State of decay - survivial horror with some action chucked in - yeah quite a few franchises built on that lol
Crackdown - another third person shooter sandbox open world game, yeah, not much to choose from in that market
I don't disagree, but it would still be a pretty hard 180 to pull off.
I think MS will be waiting for Halo 6/Gears 5 numbers. If they continue to decline, they'll hit the big red panic button. Or they'll fill them up with a bunch of IAP to make it up with digital revenues.
First open world game where the enviornment is fully destructible. Should lead to endless ways of tackling missions etc
Sure other games offer their own qualities in terms of uniqueness. Tell me why you mad though?
Scorpio
Crackdown
A new Fable by whatever studio you want to make it
A new re-imagimg of halo, they could make it like Destiny and really explore the universe that is Halo. Shared open world PvP experience.
Those are just suggestions, I'll be happy with Scorpio and sea of Thieves.
Come on with this, people own consoles because their friends play on consoles, because they don't want to be bothered with upgrading PC's and consoles are just set up and go.
As far as that silly comment about Nintendo being a console great? Imo it hasn't been great since the game cube or the Nintendo 64.
Microsoft has enjoyed more success in the same amount of time. This weird desire to see Microsoft fail around here is a little unsettling.
I have no desire to see MS fail in the console market. But they offer very little to it outside their hardware. Their first party ouptut is extremeily (embarassingly) poor, and well whats the point otherwise? Hardware profits are small.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I think it's too late for all of this. If they were to do these things then you wouldn't see them come to fruition for at least another 5 years. They should have already been doing this stuff, not cancelling games and shutting down studios.
Having said that, I also don't think it's the wrong strategy. PlayStation is PlayStation, Xbox is Xbox. The direction that Xbox looks to be heading as far as first party goes is something some of the most hardcore fans aren't going to like, but that's why it's good to have options right?
Having said that, I also don't think it's the wrong strategy. PlayStation is PlayStation, Xbox is Xbox. The direction that Xbox looks to be heading as far as first party goes is something some of the most hardcore fans aren't going to like, but that's why it's good to have options right?
xviper
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1) make awesome new IP's like Sunset overdrive
2) bring back Xbox exclusivity
3) don't release games only at the end of the year
4) keep Halo series MP as good as Halo 5's MP
release sequels to old games like Blinx, Fusion frenzy, viva pinata and Kung fu chaos( xbox's smash bros)
5) stop canceling games and give them a chance
2) bring back Xbox exclusivity
3) don't release games only at the end of the year
4) keep Halo series MP as good as Halo 5's MP
release sequels to old games like Blinx, Fusion frenzy, viva pinata and Kung fu chaos( xbox's smash bros)
5) stop canceling games and give them a chance
Seems pretty unique to me from what i have seen and played.
What AAA games in your mind are "unique experiences"? because if Crackdown isn't i'd love to know what you think is
Whos mad?
These are not unique games at all though. All been done before,
They might end up being done better, but they are not unique at all. not even close. Choose your words better
I wasnt the one that stated the unique claim. Ask the other guy
primovinny
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Mass Effect
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Maybe, but then the question becomes will there be enough of a visible difference in practice to convince people? Especially so since most people don't have 4K sets yet.
For all the talk of resolution, power, and graphics over the years, I don't think it has amounted to much in terms of actual sales. The Xbone being weaker was only a compounded disadvantage that was part of a mountain of other issues MS had to contend with. Even on GAF, you had plenty of people claiming the difference wasn't all that important or even noticeable, so for them to act like the Scorpio's power is going to be this massive game-changer does come off as silly (assuming, of course, these are the same people).
But that also doesn't take into account the different consumers for the time. Back at the launch of the two systems, it was all about the core gamers/enthusiasts/early adopters. We're fully in the "majority" phase now, where many of those people won't put as much stock into power, but rather into price.
And then there's the challenge of actually being able to show these differences for 3rd-party games. As of now, Sony seems to have the marketing deals for most of the big games this year: Red Dead, Destiny 2, Call of Duty... I mean MS can claim how the Scorpio will be running these games much better, but if they're not allowed to show it then it doesn't mean much. So that puts pressure on them to get these marketing deals so they can show off the differences, which becomes harder as they fall farther behind. They do have Mordor, but they're going to need more than that.
Motorcycles/dirt bikes, speedboats/boat racing...
Stunt planes? That one might be too much. The other two are definitely viable though. In fact, I at least expect motorcycles.
Honestly...just keep doing what they are doing this year on the service side of things. Out of all of the platform holders, MS has all of the "service" parts of being a gamer down. They just need IPs to show those service parts off, which I think they are showing this year with Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, and State of Decay. If they show 1 or 2 more new IP games that come out in Q1, Q2 of next year at this E3, I really wouldn't have any qualms with their output.
Most powerful console
Netflix of Gaming subscription
Console / Windows 10 crossbuy
Best Controller (console/pc)
A 3rd party app ecosystem on console
Clubs (console/pc)
LFG (console/pc)
Broadcasting (console/pc)
I mean, they have everything a gamer would want out of a platform (we are going to wait on how powerful Scorpio is but just saying). All they really have to do is strengthen their 1st party output (that doesn't necessarily mean quantity). While the other platform holders have to catch up on what MS is doing service wise, MS has to catch up with what the other platform holders have, and that's good, and sometimes new 1st party games. I'm looking forward to what they have to show at E3 this year for unannounced games. I'm already set on what games i'm going to buy this year (Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Ori 2? and Mario Odyssey), just need to see what they have in store.
Most powerful console
Netflix of Gaming subscription
Console / Windows 10 crossbuy
Best Controller (console/pc)
A 3rd party app ecosystem on console
Clubs (console/pc)
LFG (console/pc)
Broadcasting (console/pc)
I mean, they have everything a gamer would want out of a platform (we are going to wait on how powerful Scorpio is but just saying). All they really have to do is strengthen their 1st party output (that doesn't necessarily mean quantity). While the other platform holders have to catch up on what MS is doing service wise, MS has to catch up with what the other platform holders have, and that's good, and sometimes new 1st party games. I'm looking forward to what they have to show at E3 this year for unannounced games. I'm already set on what games i'm going to buy this year (Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Ori 2? and Mario Odyssey), just need to see what they have in store.
chromatic9
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Trick Sony into releasing a $600 console that's hard to program for. Release theirs a year before Sony and have a ton of exclusive hit third party games and outspend Sony's euro advertising.
I like OP's wishlist, but I wonder if the best way to proceed is to not mandate things like "being a new IP factory" or "Halo RPG".
Why not let these studios pitch what THEY want to do, instead? That's how Sony gamers received Horizon and The Last of Us. Passionate creators produce wonderful things, so instead of telling them what they would make, why not allow them to make what they want with few strings?
We all know MS is far too risk averse for that, though.
Why not let these studios pitch what THEY want to do, instead? That's how Sony gamers received Horizon and The Last of Us. Passionate creators produce wonderful things, so instead of telling them what they would make, why not allow them to make what they want with few strings?
We all know MS is far too risk averse for that, though.
Give the fans what they want and make some dreams come true, even if the games are not huge sellers:
Lost odyssey 2, Sunset Overdrive 2, Alan Wake 2 etc... ffs.
Make an ORI 3D platform.
Set Forza Horizon 4 in Japan. Let Forza Motorsport rest and make PGR5.
Make ambitious new IPs like Horizon Zero Dawn or The Last of us. (not like ReCore)
Release Scorpio at 399. Make some marketing deals with great 3rd party games like Sony is doing with RDR2 or probably Destiny 2.
Increase your presence in markets that are not USA or UK.
Stop releasing all your games at the end of the year.
Stop tweeting.
Lost odyssey 2, Sunset Overdrive 2, Alan Wake 2 etc... ffs.
Make an ORI 3D platform.
Set Forza Horizon 4 in Japan. Let Forza Motorsport rest and make PGR5.
Make ambitious new IPs like Horizon Zero Dawn or The Last of us. (not like ReCore)
Release Scorpio at 399. Make some marketing deals with great 3rd party games like Sony is doing with RDR2 or probably Destiny 2.
Increase your presence in markets that are not USA or UK.
Stop releasing all your games at the end of the year.
Stop tweeting.
Haha ok whats unique to you huh let me know.
Voice of reason per usual.
MilkyJoe
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You literally just said they should bow out and leave Sony and Ninendo to it.
If Xbox left Sony to it, frankly Nintendo is not even in the same race, then Sony customers will soon see a change, and it won't be a good one.
They need a major investment in a diverse set of compelling exclusive content. It's simple, really.
With Scorpio they'll finally have the hardware. They already have the services. The exclusive software will be the only missing link.
The way they've treated the Banjo and Conker IPs says it all to me really, they have no clue. I thought Killer Instinct was a sign of good things to come for MS' incredible library of IP, but I was wrong. It was a one off. They should have got Insomniac to develop a Banjo game or something. Anything.
With Scorpio they'll finally have the hardware. They already have the services. The exclusive software will be the only missing link.
The way they've treated the Banjo and Conker IPs says it all to me really, they have no clue. I thought Killer Instinct was a sign of good things to come for MS' incredible library of IP, but I was wrong. It was a one off. They should have got Insomniac to develop a Banjo game or something. Anything.
Just want game companies to make actual succesfull games, you know?
Games dont have to be unique. They have to be quality. Doesn't matter the genre
Knock it off.
Salty Hippo
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Strange thread, Xbox is having a good gen. Can always improve but I'm proud of their 1p games. More 2 do. Diversity is key. Risks are critical.
If they continue their cuurent path, with 3 franchise tired exclusives, then they will reach the end sooner than they think. Give me a reason to buy xbox again. 360 was a great era
Have you played them? I disagree that you can get the same experience in other games, they do something different compared to other games in the genre. Kinda like the nemesis system is unique to the mordor games. It's still an opn wold game but the nemesis system made it stand out.
The destruction in crackdown 3 is definitely on the same level and probably a step up in uniqueness if they can deliver.
Also what about games like Sea of Thieves, Cuphead and Phantom Dust? All games to deliver something else. Compared to Halo, Gears and Forza.
HarryDemeanor
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They're fine. If anything they just need more Sea of Thieves than relying on the regular trio of franchises. Personally I'd like to see some first party RPGs from them.
We should probabaly wait to see what they do before making these claims.
People said the same thing about Forza Horizon 3 (months before its reveal) after Forza Horizon 2 came out and yet Forza Horizon 3 caused far more interest in the series.
BouncyFrag
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Well, they did turn things around after massive fail that was the oriignal Xbox One Kinect TV TV TV all the things with the Xbone S. That was no small undertaking. The games will eventually come. If consoles only played exclusive titles I could see all the reasons for these weekly MS concern topics but there are a ton of multiplat games being released along with the bc program.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Oh, you.