Jim Sterling, Laura Kate Dale: Warning to Yooka-Laylee Pre-Orderers
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Bad example. This was actually said by other people as well.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
What does day 1 japanese ps1 owner have to do with anything it came out last there
Edit: lol nice edit
Fair enough, I just find it exceedingly cynical to think that Jim is being disingenuous for a patreon boost. He has always been an outlier in terms of opinion and while it may have brought attention to his content, the content he puts out is often well done and worth checking out anyway. People keep building him up to be some sort of master manipulator who uses his review platform to shock people with extremely low or extremely high scores to garner attention when in reality he has a different review style from most critics. I see a lot of baseless accusations from people who are most likely just upset that he directly affected the Zelda metascore.
SM3DW actually follows the pattern of progression of 2D Mario sidescrollers, Crash doesn't.
Kinda like how Sonic in 2D could be reduced to "push right".
Crash is fairly linear and is more a pure obstacle course like auto runners are.
and I just realized that auto-runners are actually the purest form of platformers you can find out there.
Calm Mind
Member
I'll bite. The 3D Sonic games were never good. Sonic Generations also expounded that fact.
So when your dodging obstacles and jumping pits in Mario it's not platforming? I really can't see your argument.
Salty Rice
Member
Eh i disagree with Sterling so much that this isnt really scaring me.
Need more opinions.
Need more opinions.
So basically, people are now defining "platformer" as "Mario game".
Apoleptica
Banned
After that casino level gameplay they showed my expectations for the game plummeted. I'm a fan of platformers but this game looks extremely boring.
MindGamingMantis
Banned
Idk if this is a unity issue or a ks-funded issue.
M#9 was trash
Bloodstained looks horrible
I hope Yooka Laylee is a good game.
M#9 was trash
Bloodstained looks horrible
I hope Yooka Laylee is a good game.
I like Jim's videos a lot and can't really comment one way or the other on a game I've not played, but it felt a bit stunted. He was criticising Zelda fanboys on Twitter before he'd played the game, then he had a Jimquisition ready to go the day after his review went out, where he criticised fan reaction.
You're right, Crash isn't a Mario game. But the genre would be so boring if every platformer did things the exact same way.
Crash Bandicoot was designed to be "Donkey Kong Country in 3D". Crash is probably the most pure 3D platforming series to have ever existed. It really is as simple as that.
But, as this is a Yooka-Laylee topic after all, I will say that I'm not too fussed about fps dips so long as the actual gameplay of the game holds up. The casino level looks terrible, but as long as it's an outlier then all will be good.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Yup, but for some reason GAF just laps it up and loves him off. It was only when the Zelda controversy hit that a lot of people here started to realise.
styl3s
Member
Darkest Dungeon, Shovel Knight, FTL,Torment, Pillars, Divinity, Elite, Shadowrun, Hyper Light, Banner Saga, Grim Dawn are all great KS-funded games and i haven't even scratched the surface.
There are numerous reasons why a game can turn out bad but Jim saying it means nothing because i disagree with a lot of his opinions towards games and i refuse to put all the blame on unity when there are fantastic unity games out there like Kentucky Route Zero, Shadowrun Returns, Overcooked, Volume,Teslagrad, Wasteland 2, Ori, Cities Skylines, Pillars, Jotun, Setsuna, Oxenfree and like with KS games i can keep going.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Well you weren't paying much attention if you still think it's not a platformer.
Hey, don't put words in my mouth.
Crash is a platformer, a linear one.
I don't know, it would avoid trash like LBP games though...
Yes that's a gratuitous dig.
He's a self avowed cynic.
There's absolutely no reason to be cynical to the industry and be naive when dealing with him.
there's no reason to claim he's genuine when he never seriously makes the claim either.
I totally think that his reviews is what he thinks about the games.
I'm fairly certain that he frame them in ways that will provide maximum exposure for him.
If he was genuine in his motives he wouldn't even bother with scores anyway.
It's a shame they chose one of the worst template to follow though, I guess it was popular at the time.
Shadowhaxor
Member
Adding to that, several games I can recall running well on Unity. Ori and the Blind Forest, Pillars of Eternity (this game again), Super Hot, Rise & Shine, Galak Z, Broforce just to name a few, Cuphead and Wulverblade both use Unity as well. And from the hands on with Wulverblade, it ran great on the PC.
It's a developmental issue.
ShemhazaiX
Member
Christ, people need to get the hell over Jim's Zelda review. People can dislike shit without it being for publicity. For example, I thought he was being GENEROUS giving Zelda a 7. I'd give it a 6. Does that mean I'm just disliking a game for clicks?
Also Crash IS a platformer. What are people smoking today. ._.
Also Crash IS a platformer. What are people smoking today. ._.
bemusedchunk
Banned
you have probably indirectly supported racism already with your purchasing dollars.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Looked boring from the gameplay videos
IlGialloMondadori
Member
I absolutely do not condone people freaking out on Sterling for his Zelda review, but 7/10 is just dumb. Yes, yes, whether you like a game or not is your opinion and you are allowed to voice it. But there is a difference - Breath of the Wild is an amazingly high quality experience. It's not a slapdash affair - it's technically and mechanically impressive and it's mostly clean of bugs. It's like films - maybe you don't like Blade Runner, or you don't like Vertigo, or Jaws. Good for you, and you can say it's not to your taste. But any critic who gives those films a low grade is a poor excuse for a critic.
Anyway, I hope Yooka Laylee is good, but Sterling's word is not really worth much unless you know where it's coming from emotionally and strategically for exposure.
Anyway, I hope Yooka Laylee is good, but Sterling's word is not really worth much unless you know where it's coming from emotionally and strategically for exposure.
Diprosalic
Banned
i'll happily bite.
I don't think it's necessarily about the way he feels specifically. A lot of people have a hard time giving him credit because of the way he expresses himself. For me, the Zelda review (the writing itself and the media surrounding it, not the literal 7/10 or his opinion about the game) is a drop in the pond for how I've been feeling about Jim Sterling increasingly more over time. He does create a lot of controversy, and he uses it to entertain people. Because of this, he can, at times, be a voice that feeds popular "unpopular" opinions. Sometimes he just makes a video about whatever people are getting hot about on the internet at the time, just like a collection of angry opinions about that topic. It can even just be as simple as him making a video about a topic but the video consists of several minutes of him talking over bad footage of a completely unrelated game because it's the hot thing to hate on.
I don't think anything negative about people that enjoy his content, find him funny, agree with him, or whatever. But he has a history that leaves people thinking, "Yeah, but how do other people feel?" when he says he has a problem with something. Or, to put it another way, it leaves people feeling like this:
I think that's a valid feeling to have with him.
What I mean to say is, Yooka Laylee could be rough, but he also could be looking for the absolute roughest edges he can find in it. We won't know until we're seeing actual previews or reviews.
Calm Mind
Member
Okay. You've convinced me. It is a platformer. A terrible one. Who thought that 3D movement on a 2D plane was a good idea?
Diprosalic
Banned
pretty done
Member
Was already iffy after reading they're not even supporting the PS4 Pro, guess I'm gonna skip this at launch altogether. It always sounded too good to be true to be getting a Banjo 3.
Do you have a patreon?
I don't doubt that he felt that way about Zelda tho BUT I do think that he knew very well the reaction his review was going to get out of people and he milked that for all it's worth and it's not the first time it happened (I still remember the DmC fiasco)
Not that there is anything wrong with that! Just business.
A Link to the Past
Banned
This post is bad. There are people who legitimately don't like BotW, there are people who found it unfun and didn't like some of the mechanics to it. It's especially a problematic point of view, because the inverse is something like when Game Informer lowered the score of The Thousand-Year Door's review because it felt that its audience wouldn't be interested in the game.
From what I can see, a proper critic to you is someone whose review is not reflective of their opinion, to which I say, "nah, I think I'm perfectly fine with honesty in my reviews." People really need to get out of the past, where it's not okay to give the big games a 7 or 8.
By the way:
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/jaws/critic-reviews
7/10 isn't a low grade, and merely being technically competent isn't enough to call something amazing.
UncleSporky
Member
This is all I was trying to say (minus the replayability which is up to the individual).
Like, this is a map of level 2:
This is simpler than Mario 1 style platforming. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not up to the level of other games we call platformers. There are basically no platforms in this level, no secondary high route you're rewarded for taking etc.
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I do, however, wish that he'd get rid of the review scores. But then again I wish everyone would do that and that shit's not happening anytime soon. Anyway this is pretty off topic on the actual thread.
I really hope that Yooka-Laylee doesn't disappoint, I'm a huge fan of BK and Conker and this not being great would be another nail in the coffin of my youth. If it's just framerate issues then it should be fixable but if it's an actual game problem...
To be honest there has been something nagging at me whenever I saw gameplay footage of the game. I'm not sure if it's the world design or the look of the game but something just seems off. The word of warning from Jim and Laura doesn't help with that feeling. Regardless I'll buy it just to support the idea of 3d platforming being a thing again and if worst comes to worst I hope that Playtonic gets another chance to knock it out of the park.
Breakfast at Noon
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Who cares as long as it is fun?
Remember oblivion and skyrim and.. well every game on the engine that makes unity look half decent?
Remember oblivion and skyrim and.. well every game on the engine that makes unity look half decent?
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Look, I'm not here to tell you that Crash is a good platformer, but it's pretty clearly a platformer. You have to keep in mind that Crash was pretty early on in 3D development in general.
You could look at dozens of PS1/N64 games that make questionable design decisions, or simply ideas that weren't explored enough yet and as a result came out feeling off. They were probably the biggest growing pains developers had to deal with ever in the video game industry.
They had to take everything they knew about a genre and completely reformat it so that it could simultaneously feel welcoming to people who have never played a 3D game before and familiar enough that it keeps all of the hallmarks of the genres 2D games.
As far as 3D movement on a 2D plain being a good idea, Paper Mario does it pretty well.
Solid frame rate and no tearing are pretty important in a platformer
All the Crash bandicoot games have high risk high reward sections.
take these skull platforms for instance, usually you're netted a new gem completing them
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
I've had a feeling that isn't the best since I saw how empty the environment looked. Hope I'm wrong, I would really love to be wrong because I want the platformer to come back rare style.
IlGialloMondadori
Member
I actually do think a proper critic can distance themselves emotionally from their own response. Okay, you found Lolita repulsive, or Moby Dick hard to read. They're still objectively fantastic works of literature.
I'm not saying Zelda is the greatest thing ever, and it's certainly not Moby Dick, and is hard to put a score on things - I'm actually anti-score.
But it's an 8 at least. "Super good, yeah higher quality than the majority of games released in a year, but maybe not to my taste."
And those two negative reviews on Jaws are idiots.
Are you surprised or unsurprised by LKD's and Sterling's comments?
Yes it does. It's always looked like exactly what they promised. It looks great.