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2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."

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I just watched the first episode of Trial and Error and it was hysterical. Does the show stay good, and is it getting decent viewership?
 
VanWinkle said:
I just watched the first episode of Trial and Error and it was hysterical. Does the show stay good, and is it getting decent viewership?
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I don't know about the viewership but you'll probably like the other episodes so far since its pretty much the same kind of stuff at the first episode in terms of humor
 
Superstore got a 1.1 last week when it aired a new episode. NBC only cares about the ratings for its new episodes, not for its repeats.
 
Patryn said:
They've got quite the uphill battle though. I know that I've always thought of Spike as super low brow. It'll take quite a bit of work to get the sophisticated audience they seem to want to pursue who has probably written off Spike for years to even realize the channel exists and check it out.
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Well, it won't be called Spike anymore, they're no longer doing The Guy Awards, and Cops repeats won't inundate the channel 24/7, so I think most people will just assume it's a new channel entirely.
 
DeviantBoi said:
Amazing Race won its time slot!

I hope that it gets renewed soon. It's such a fun show.
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Its season 29 of that show, can you believe it. There are also a dozen spin offs like AR Asia, AR Australia, Vietnam, Ukraine, Canada, etc.

I dunno I enjoyed watching it for a long time but at a certain point its literally 5 minutes of content stretched for an hour. Just felt so repetitive and boring after a while, but if you are thinking about traveling soon its fun to watch and wince at all the mistakes.
 
a few weeks ago someone was shilling some little known show with a weird name. I know, thats the vaguest of descriptions, but I cant remember the name for the life of me.

I think its on some less watched channel aswell. Anyone? >_>
 
Rhaknar said:
a few weeks ago someone was shilling some little known show with a weird name. I know, thats the vaguest of descriptions, but I cant remember the name for the life of me.

I think its on some less watched channel aswell. Anyone? >_>
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Can you remember anything else about it?
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Was it new or old?

EDIT: Hart of Dixie?
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new-ish (like its on now or was recently) and its a long name. a long weird name. Hart of Dixie is the doctor show with the lady from The OC which I want to see bad :(
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Cassandra French's Finishing School?
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not THAT long and weird lol. I remember the person being all hyped and shocked that the show was legit.

We will never figure this out Ratsky, dont bother :(
 
Schitt's Creek!

son of a bitch! thanks Ratsky :D
 
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Man, I hope they don't cancel The Originals. It is so incredibly good. And the showrunner wants to do another Vampire Diaries spin-off with the school of wizard kids.
 
Speaking of The Originals

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I guess last night was the season finale of Sleepy Hollow and the series finale of Grimm. This is probably the end of the line for Sleepy Hollow too.
 
Went to a convention today that scheduled a "Firefly 2.0" panel. Nathan Fillion told the audience he was up for a second season if anyone had a couple of billions around. So close! Just seeing Morena and Nathan in one panel makes me miss the show.
 
firehawk12 said:
I forgot they did the blind dates thing earlier and that was pretty silly too. I honestly don't know what they can do after this season though. One kid and one adult? People who don't speak the same language?
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When this episode started my first thought/fear was a potential solo season eventually.
I wouldn't even give the first episode a shot.
 
Report: American Idol Revival Not Moving Forward at NBC or Fox

According to TMZ, the proposed American Idol revival has been shelved amid a dispute between producers Fremantle Media and Core Media Group.

It was first reported back in February that Fremantle pitched NBC execs a revival of the long-running singing competition. NBC was said to be seriously considering the idea, giving them the leeway to cut The Voice down to once a year while still maintaining a year-round reality line-up, where The Voice would air in the fall, followed by Idol in spring and America’s Got Talent in summer.

On March 28, TMZ reported that the Peacock network and Fox, Idol‘s former network, had both made pitches to Fremantle with an interest in bringing the show back. Fremantle, which also produces AGT, was said to be pushing Core to agree to NBC’s offer, which Core construed as a potential conflict of interest, with Fremantle hoping Idol would help make AGT “the cornerstone of a year-round” reality-TV cycle on NBC. Core feared this would diminish Idol‘s value as a brand.

Interestingly enough, TMZ states that Fremantle and Core never countered NBC or Fox’s offers, indicating that talks never got that far.
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Read Smash creator's essay about being fired from her own show

So I took the job, I wrote the pilot, I created all the characters, I nurtured it through a transition from Showtime to NBC, I produced the pilot, and the show got picked up for an order of seventeen episodes. I was the show runner of the first season, which got terrific numbers and established itself immediately as an international sensation. The show was called Smash.

At the end of the first season, I was fired without cause. No one likes being fired, and guess what, I am no exception. As the dust settled, it became clear that at the management level a lot of dastardly stories had been invented about my character. Sometimes I try to parse them and fit them all back together; I have been, at times, desperate to figure out what actually happened. There was a destructive and incoherent madness to it that resists interpretation.
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And, of course, as soon as I was fired, all the men who had conspired to have me removed from my post realized that the show wasn’t going to survive without me and so they slunk away and went off to do other things.

The network then hired a whole bunch of other people to run it in my stead, and it fell apart, and one year after I had made that show into a bona fide hit, it was canceled.

Everyone told me the best thing to do was ignore it and put it behind me.

Then I couldn’t get hired for three years.
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I am also a talented and hardworking girl, and the truth is I do play well with others. But in corporate culture, “play well with others” has come to mean absolutely agreeing to everything that gets thrown at you. It is a given: You have to say yes to your boss all the time. And that means all the time, and cheerfully—that, I’m not as good at. And the men who I’ve seen attain success in this world are salesmen, charmers; they know how to manage up.

That’s another phrase I learned: manage up. Basically that means making your bosses love you, whether or not you are doing a good job.

Here is another phrase that I learned: comfort level. When I was fired from the show I created, my soon-to-be-ex-agent told me that the president of NBC had a “comfort level” issue with me.

Comfort level, I came to learn, is Hollywood code for men who don’t want to work with women. So women, who are suspect because there is this comfort level issue have to work extra hard to play well with others and manage up, in addition to sucking everything up and understanding that things are going to be handed to the guys, and then they’re going to tell a lot of sexist jokes and tell you to your face that you’re supposed to be writing the girl scenes because they’re too busy writing about shooting people and blowing things up and other utter bullshit.

Ooops, did I say that? This is another thing that “play well with others” means: Keep your mouth shut.

In television, we have to be very stubborn girls indeed.
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I also have to admit that it was fun rewriting my whole writ- ing staff on Smash. “Fun” might be too strong. Because I hated having it done to me so much, it was not something I took on lightly; I actually tried not to rewrite everything egregiously just because I could. But for that first season at least, it was my show and I had the last word and I understood the thrill of that, and the responsibility. So I did my job, and I stand by it.

But no matter how hard I tried—and trust me, I’m not a lunatic, and I did try—the boys didn’t want me running that show. One of the other executive producers kept saying, “But who is in charge?” He had never worked on a television show before so I assumed this was just informational, and I would tell him, point-blank: I am the show runner. That means I am in charge. This struck him as more than slightly insane. I had to keep explaining to him how television shows work: You stand with the show runner. You don’t keep attacking the show runner; it will bring the show down. It was a truth he did not want to understand.
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Was it gender based? It sure felt like it. The power structure includedtenmenandonewoman, and, inspiteof all theirsecond- guessing and wrangling, the show was terrific until they fired the woman in charge. I was explicitly told, during my firing, that the show was “too important to the network,” and so they were taking it out of my hands. The person they gave it to had virtually no credentials and no experience in the theater. His television credits were nowhere near as comprehensive as mine. The show died under his watch. Two years later, another net- work gave him another show to run. Meanwhile, I was still being told that I was unemployable because everyone knew that I was a lunatic.
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Much more at the link.
 
Having only read the excerpts here, I have to say there's something more than gender discrimination going on -- Smash was a moderate hit when it launched, not a smash hit, it lost more than half its audience during its first season, and it really was not terrific. Even if you appreciate it as a good stab at a genre that deserves more representation on TV, it was very rough around the edges. Let us assume for the sake of argument that the AV Club reviewers did not have gender bias on their mind when they reviewed the first season. They gave it: B, B-, B-, B, B-, C-, B-, C-, B+, C+, B-, C-, B, B-, B-, C+. Two things jump out. First, this is not a great show and there aren't even any great episodes. Second, the quality trend was downward as stories unfolded. I think this is broadly representative of critical and audience opinion, and again tracks with losing half the audience in the first season.

So, again, I fully believe that gender discrimination could play a role and I can't say behind-closed-door stories are wrong, but I think it probably does us a disservice in terms of getting at gender discrimination to pretend that the story of Smash is a show where everything went perfectly, and then they fired a woman, and then it went wrong.

Now, if the argument was instead "Look, men are allowed to run mediocre shows with rocky first seasons all the time and they don't get fired, but when I did it, I got fired", then I'd be totally on board. One of the most salient inequalities in society is how minorities are held to a higher standard -- and that's not something you see by looking for superstars of any stripe, it's something you see by looking at the mediocre and average across types of people.
 
Finished Halt and Catch Fire Season 2. Is it worth paying the $25 for Season 3, Ratsky? The move to California sounds interesting, and IIRC it's set in the late 80's-early 90's with the Internet starting up?
 
TheSeks said:
Finished Halt and Catch Fire Season 2. Is it worth paying the $25 for Season 3, Ratsky? The move to California sounds interesting, and IIRC it's set in the late 80's-early 90's with the Internet starting up?
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Season 3 is the best season. Also, I believe it's on Netflix.
 
I actually thought Season 2 was pretty solid. It didn't have the off-and-on drama of building the "Giant"/IBM clone to deal with. Plus the returning characters were all good and outside of Gordon's family drama for Donna, it focused pretty successfully on Mutiny.

I'm kinda sad that
Cameron/Catherine's boyfriend coder
didn't migrate with them to California. ...OR WILL HE? *DUN-DUN-DUNNNNNNNNNNN*
 
TheSeks said:
I actually thought Season 2 was pretty solid. It didn't have the off-and-on drama of building the "Giant"/IBM clone to deal with. Plus the returning characters were all good and outside of Gordon's family drama for Donna, it focused pretty successfully on Mutiny.

I'm kinda sad that
Cameron/Catherine's boyfriend coder
didn't migrate with them to California. ...OR WILL HE? *DUN-DUN-DUNNNNNNNNNNN*
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Don't get me wrong, I honestly love the whole series! I just think the last stretch was the show at its best (without going into spoilers)!

You're in for a treat :)
 
Sunday night's ratings. CBS's Country Music Awards Show (not to be confused with ABC, CMT, and Fox's Country Music Awards shows) topped the night:

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My husband is going to be so sad when Making History gets canceled. He watches almost no TV but for whatever reason he loves that show. Is there any hope at all?
 
- ‘Falling Water’ Renewed For Season 2 By USA, Rémi Aubuchon Joins As Showrunner
USA Network has picked up a second season of Falling Water, its supernatural thriller drama from the late Henry Bromell, Brotherhood creator Blake Masters, The Walking Dead executive producer Gale Anne Hurd and Juan Carlos Fresnadillo. Rémi Aubuchon (Falling Skies) has been tapped as showrunner for Season 2 of the series, replacing Masters in the role. Masters will remain as an executive producer

Possibly a better fit for sibling Syfy than general entertainment network USA, Falling Water is USA’s lowest rated series, averaging 461,000 viewers and 0.14 adults 18-49 rating in Live+Same Day. But its dense mythology, solid +30%+ L3 DVR gains and steady viewership, an indication that the show has built a small but devoted fan base, made Falling Water a solid binge prospect for a streaming service. As we reported in December, the series was taken out and landed a deal with Amazon for exclusive SVOD rights. The pact helped secure a Season 2 renewal by USA of the series, produced by sibling Universal Cable Prods.
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Soulfire said:
My husband is going to be so sad when Making History gets canceled. He watches almost no TV but for whatever reason he loves that show. Is there any hope at all?
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Anything is possible but the odds of a poorly performing mid-season first year show with lukewarm critical reception getting renewed (even without the writer's strike, which will probably cause a bunch more casualties) are pretty poor.
 
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