That's... uhh... the definition of framepacing.
G-Sync is the god-level gaming upgrade.
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That's... uhh... the definition of framepacing.
Gsync works perfectly under 30hz. Under 30hz gsync just displays a frame twice. As soon as a new frame is sent the screen updates. You can for instance run a movie at it's native 23.976 hz flawlessly with gsync, or NTSC authored content at 29.97 hz. As the chart that has been posted shows, gsync is effective at any arbitrary frame rate under the monitor's maximum refresh rate.
It would eliminate the judder of 24 FPS being played back at 60Hz or any other refresh rate which is not a multiple of 24.
It does nothing to help with 24 FPS motion being inherently bad. You need to use interpolation like SVP to fix that.
I've yet to find a video player which works correctly with G-Sync either.
They don't seem to send the video's framerate directly to the display; they all convert it to the refresh rate.
Windowed Mode G-Sync is just disabled by default.
When enabled, it doesn't work with all applications though, and some applications will drop the refresh rate really low for some reason.
Which I'm sure is the reason that it's only enabled in fullscreen by default.
You can actually set up VLC to use gsync when playing content full screen, but you lose the ability to access the overlay controls.
Just upgraded to a 1080ti and wondering if there was any ideal number to cap my frames to make the most out of G-sync.
I don't really see the point in letting stuff go into the 120+ area since I can't notice any change at that point and it's just more power consumption at that point.
On my old GPU I had stuff capped at 90 FPS but there wasn't much logic behind that. Stuff just looked fairly good at that point.
I don't really see the point in letting stuff go into the 120+ area since I can't notice any change at that point and it's just more power consumption at that point.
On my old GPU I had stuff capped at 90 FPS but there wasn't much logic behind that. Stuff just looked fairly good at that point.
Most of G-Sync monitors have response times linked to framerate, so the higher you go, the less blurring there should be.
Fallout-NL
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Question: I have a gsync monitor as well as two secondary monitors and every time I 'wake' my screens, the gsync monitor does some flashing to black -> image -> black -> image for about a second or two. Which is annoying, but what's more annoying is that all the icons on my desktop sometimes get moved to the secondary monitor or even to the monitor that's off (my TV in the living room). Is this normal, any way to prevent this?
Fallout-NL
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Thanks! I'll give that a shot.
It's worth pointing out that this is available on Steam, and usually gets big discounts in the sales.
The Steam version does not require Steam to be running to use it either.
I also find it useful on an ultrawide monitor to set up shortcuts for 3-way tiled windows, not only multi-monitor setups.
Is this a good deal? Should I finally jump on this at that price?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-27-led-gsync-monitor-black/5293502.p?skuId=5293502
I'd be pairing it with a 1070 and a 6700k
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-27-led-gsync-monitor-black/5293502.p?skuId=5293502
I'd be pairing it with a 1070 and a 6700k
nullpoynter
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If you check SlickDeals.net you'll see that it's been much cheaper in the past. I would wait for a good deal to come along. That's what I'm doing myself.
I've seen a few people mention it recently - possibly because they just put out that eye tracking update - but I think I've found the solution to making SOMA work with G-Sync.
Previously, if I unlocked the framerate or selected a refresh rate above 60Hz, the game would be smooth for a moment and then in less than 30 seconds it would begin to stutter very badly, like it had frame-pacing issues.
Capping the game to 60 FPS via RTSS or other means did nothing to help.
So far I've tested this for 5-10 minutes running around one area of the game with the "No View Bob" mod, and it's been flawless.
Ultrawide support is still bugged though, and I have to change resolution every time I launch the game for it to take effect or else I get a 4:3 image stretched out to fill the screen.
- You must not unlock the framerate via the config file.
- You must select 60Hz as your refresh rate.
- Disable V-Sync
- Once you're in the game, hit the turbo button on your monitor to change the refresh rate. (is this a standard feature for all G-Sync monitors?)
Previously, if I unlocked the framerate or selected a refresh rate above 60Hz, the game would be smooth for a moment and then in less than 30 seconds it would begin to stutter very badly, like it had frame-pacing issues.
Capping the game to 60 FPS via RTSS or other means did nothing to help.
So far I've tested this for 5-10 minutes running around one area of the game with the "No View Bob" mod, and it's been flawless.
Ultrawide support is still bugged though, and I have to change resolution every time I launch the game for it to take effect or else I get a 4:3 image stretched out to fill the screen.
SolidSnakeUS
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Still any indication of when that awesome Asus monitor will be out? The one with HDR.
If you mean the PG27UQ, I think it's still Q3 at the earliest. I don't think there have been any updates on availability and they're keeping shtum on pricing too.
SolidSnakeUS
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I'm betting it's going to be $1000 at least. Also, why show it off 3/4 of a year ahead of time for a MONITOR?
They announced that it's going to be $1200.
Which is at least better than the $2000 price that was being thrown around earlier.
SolidSnakeUS
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I'd buy it at $1200 if the panels are perfect with no issues whatsoever. Spend $1200 on a monitor and almost $800 on a graphics card. At least the monitor wouldn't have to be replaced for a decade or more lol.
like others mention, the ps4pro will just play in 1080p. ps4pro wont output to 1440p. only 1080p or 4K (2160p)
i play my ps4pro on my dell 27" gsync 1440p monitor and it looks about the same as when I play on my asus 27" 1080p monitor.
SolidSnakeUS
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Is the XB271HK probably the best one you can still get today?
Cert.in.Death
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I'm more particular toward the Asus PG279Q, but they're comparable. Last I recall, the 271HK were less likely to have significant backlight bleed.
Cert.in.Death
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Quick PSA for those looking to make an upgrade:
Slickdeals currently has a bargain for the S2417DG from Dell Home & Office. $300 after coupon SLICK170 and a $100 rebate. It's 1440p/144hz with a TN panel and definitely worth it at that price. 27" is ideal in my mind, but 24" is a reasonable compromise for the price (he'll, for the 144hz alone).
Just FYI.
Slickdeals currently has a bargain for the S2417DG from Dell Home & Office. $300 after coupon SLICK170 and a $100 rebate. It's 1440p/144hz with a TN panel and definitely worth it at that price. 27" is ideal in my mind, but 24" is a reasonable compromise for the price (he'll, for the 144hz alone).
Just FYI.
petran79
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On Ubuntu is there anything similar? Had to disable second monitor because all taskbat icons appeared there instead of the primary monitor.
Also I'd get video tearing on primary monitor in mpv player.
nullpoynter
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Won't the text be way too small on a 24" at 1440p though?
You would use 125% scaling at that resolution/size.
byron_hinson
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Loving my G-Sync'ed notebook with GTX 1080 - but I have one game that seems to not work with it that doesn't get mentioned anywhere and that is Assassin's Creed Syndicate. It is the only game I've tried that doesn't enable G-Sync at all no matter what settings I use, even trying to force it. Makes the game run pretty badly on a 120hz screen.
Cannon Goose
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It's been a while since I've played it but I don't recall having any issues with AC Syndicate and G-sync.
Fake edit: Turns out I still had it installed, still no issues using borderless windowed mode and G-sync.
byron_hinson
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I'll give borderless window a go later as its really the only title not showing Gsync in use. Unity runs perfectly too.
petran79
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It is. But it is only worth if you play other genres too, besides FPS. Paradox games look amazing on UWD.
nickfrancis86
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I'm going to get an Alienware 15 soon. There is the option to get either:
1080p/60Hz/G-Sync/IPS (default option) or
1080p/120Hz/G-Sync/TN (£200 extra)
Is the higher refresh rate worth sacrificing the IPS display, or is IPS and being £200 being less and lower refresh rate a better option?
EDIT: It's the 1070 version so it should exceed 60fps in most cases.
1080p/60Hz/G-Sync/IPS (default option) or
1080p/120Hz/G-Sync/TN (£200 extra)
Is the higher refresh rate worth sacrificing the IPS display, or is IPS and being £200 being less and lower refresh rate a better option?
EDIT: It's the 1070 version so it should exceed 60fps in most cases.
I play bits of everything to be honest, Witcher 3, Battlefield 1, Titanfall 2, World of Warcraft, Project Cars, Truck Sims, DayZ, CS:GO, Cities Skylines etc.
I just want the monitor to last me a good few years as it costs a fair whack.
I find that being able to run games at unlocked framerates above 60 FPS while it just feels completely smooth is one of the more impressive features of G-Sync, compared to either a fixed high refresh rate monitor, or using G-Sync below 60 FPS.
G-Sync still helps below 60 FPS, but I find that the larger improvement is above it.
Choosing between 60Hz IPS and 120Hz TN is tough though - especially on a notebook.
I'm very happy with my PG348Q, which I think is the ASUS version of that monitor, I don't think you will be disappointed.
The HP Omen X35 is another option
I know some people just won't buy a TN no matter what you say, but I have the PG278QR and the viewing angles are fine. Even compared to my old VG248QE it's a pretty big improvement. I don't really even notice the issue anymore unless I'm standing up and looking directly down at the thing or laying on the floor and looking up at it.
/granted/ I'm not using this thing for professional editing and just gaming, thus don't have an absolute existential need for hyper accurate reproduction.
ASUS will have a 27" 3840x2160@144Hz HDR AHVA (IPS) monitor with 384 dimming zones for $1200 in Q3 or Q4.
There is also going to be a 35" 3440x1440 "HDR" AMVA+ (VA) panel with 8 dimming zones available by Q4 which probably means displays in Q1'18.
I would not recommend a VA panel for gaming though.
The response times on them are very slow compared to IPS or TN, so you often get dark streaks across the image.
VA panels also have gamma shifting problems with viewing angle, which I would not want on a curved ultrawide.
They are higher contrast though. AUO's VA panels are 3000:1 native while AHVA (IPS) is around 1200:1 native.
Some people like them, but IPS is my preference for LCD.
Well I know that $2000 had been speculated originally, but I was sure that I read they had announced a $1200 price a week or so ago.
I've just had a quick hunt around and can't seem to find any confirmation of that, just forum talk.
For me, even a tiny change in posture (eg tired slouch) warps the color so much.
CadetMahoney
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probably dumb question but does the hardware smoothing in the monitor translate into shadowplay recordings? I mean why would it? But am curious nonetheless.
I see comparison vids on yt and they look like they where direct captures but why would the smoothing translate into smoother recordings, it's the hardware in the monitor that's doing the legwork?
I see comparison vids on yt and they look like they where direct captures but why would the smoothing translate into smoother recordings, it's the hardware in the monitor that's doing the legwork?
Soltype
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Not ready for 4k yet, hopefully more companies will start ramping up their HDR options.
FPS murderer
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I would recommend you pay your local Best Buy store a visit as sometimes online doesn't match. On mine these are $499 while the website still shows $699.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I'm pretty sure it is, but I have a ASUS ROG Swift PG248Q, how do I check Gsync is indeed working?
It's enabled in nvidia control panel, the games seem smooth (might be me imagining it though), the red circle at the bottom of my screen is on whenever I turn on the monitor so thats no help
It's enabled in nvidia control panel, the games seem smooth (might be me imagining it though), the red circle at the bottom of my screen is on whenever I turn on the monitor so thats no help
Uh, it should be pretty obvious?
Just play a really demanding game or if you have mega ultra hardware play said demanding game @ your 4xDSR with Vsync off. Once the frames drop below refresh rate if you have tearing or judder then it's not working.
I have an ASUS PG278Q and it's an 8-bit, sRGB color space TN panel. So it will reproduce colors just as well as any 8-bit, sRGB color space panel. It is very well calibrated from the factory.
Viewing angles are not bad either, only vertical viewing angle is noticeable and that's generally only when you are slouching in your chair. Normally you can see a tiny bit of darkening at the top edge but not enough to be noticeable. That said, this monitor is terrible to use in portrait orientation as somehow in that orientation the viewing angles become a lot more obvious. In normal landscape it's a non-issue.
In short, if you are going for a TN panel, make sure it's an 8-bit one. Huge difference compared to the absolute crap you see on many cheap laptops and desktop monitors.