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[MrS]

The fucking conservatives? May? Really?

100% yes, which is why I voted for the Conservative candidate in my area last time around. She is a better leader than Corbyn and Farron. That's incontrovertible.

Conservatives will win handsomely and any opinion to the contrary is pure folly. If you want to have a Lib Dem protest vote, good luck to you.

 

[Lashley]

Fuck right off.

Read the rest of my post. Northumberland is very labour, why would my voting labour too make a jot of difference?

Fuck off yourself

 

[WhateverItTakes]

It's not a case of the opposition being incompetent so much as a massive hatchet job in the media on the basis that the Labour party have somehow managed to choose a leader who stands for actual Labour values rather than being a Thatcherite. A lot of people who are anti-Corbyn would actually be very much in favour of a lot of his policies - policies which you'd never have had from Labour with another leader.

I know the media haven't been fair in ravaging the guy, but it was his job to make sure that didn't happen. Even if you're playing against a stacked deck, with the country on the line you've gotta win or face the ridicule for not.

I'll be voting for whoever has best chance of defeating the Tory candidate in my constituency.

That's my plan. Just did my postal vote for my council election so might use that as a basis, but I'm open to other ideas from those who know better.

Opposition are gonna need some killer speeches. Hope they can bring it, but again, stacked deck...

 

[Protome]

Read the rest of my post. Northumberland is very labour, why would my voting labour too make a jot of difference?

Fuck off yourself

Because that kind of thinking is how secure seats get lost.

 

[Audioboxer]

lol, oh Dave.

 

[Purkake4]

I see no way this could backfire.

 

[Abraxas]

-Draconian NeoCons who want to turn my country into a tax haven/sports direct warehouse
-no hoper party on its last legs, representing the death throes of the ruined british working class, perpetually learing from crisis to crisis
-turncoat champagne centrists without ideology or presence
-one issue nationalists with an adoration for the impossible that even by today's low standard would take scotland to utter ruin
-useless environmentalists without the qualifications or backbone to manage a kickabout
-bigots responsible for the calamity of brexit

Fucking hell, this truly is the nadir of british democracy

 

[PJV3]

Read the rest of my post. Northumberland is very labour, why would my voting labour too make a jot of difference?

Fuck off yourself

I wouldn't take anything for granted at the moment.

 

[autumnleaf]

The only thing that could help Labour this time is that UKIP should be less of a factor and they may regain some of the voters they lost to them.

 

[Lagamorph]

Read the rest of my post. Northumberland is very labour, why would my voting labour too make a jot of difference?

Fuck off yourself

There is literally no excuse to just "Not vote"

 

[danowat]

I got burnt by the LD protest vote last time around when they cosied up with the Cons, not sure I am going to make that mistake again.

As much as I think Corbyn is a dolt, I can't see any other vote than a Lab one.

 

[HazySaiyan]

Corbyn is determined to send the Labour Party completely into oblivion isn't he?

 

[Principate]

Read the rest of my post. Northumberland is very labour, why would my voting labour too make a jot of difference?

Fuck off yourself

And what would you do in the odd 1% chance turns? Blame the fact you thought it was a "sure thing". Very little is an actual sure thing.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Corbyn is determined to send the Labour Party completely into oblivion isn't he?

Yeah will be a labour wipeout I think, might end up with less than 100 seats.

 

[Hazzuh]

Because this election won't happen on the new boundaries, Corbyn is still my MP . Looking forward to voting for anyone other than him.

 

[hEist]

i can already hear the panic in an office-building in St. Petersburg. Crunch time.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

I'll vote labour but I don't have any great hopes for it. My areas been Labour for 70 years odd.

 

[Jezbollah]

Because this election won't happen on the new boundaries, Corbyn is still my MP . Looking forward to voting for anyone other than him.

It happening on the old boundaries is another aspect that not many have talked about. Interesting stuff.

 

[StrongArmSteady]

Read the rest of my post. Northumberland is very labour, why would my voting labour too make a jot of difference?

Fuck off yourself

Because thats how trump and brexit happend...people assumed they werent going to get enough votes... in the end it was the abstainers that could have stopped it...
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If i were you i wouldnt take too much stock in who or what is a labour stronghold and actually vote

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I mean... McDonnell has talked about introducing Robin Hood taxes (which would be fantastic coming from anyone but him) and Corbyn was talking about creating a National Education Service. Which I don't remember coming up at any point in a while (though will confess I'm not as up-to-date on Labour internal politics as you are)

Ed Miliband promised to remove exemptions on the stamp duty on share transactions, which is de facto a Tobin levy (Robin Hood tax). He just... didn't announce it that way because he was already getting painted as Red Ed and knew that would make things worse. Instead, he marketed it as: shutting down a tax loophole, which is popular across the aisle, whereas 'Robin Hood' tax only plays well with people who already agree with you.

Again, this is the point: the positions of Miliband and Corbyn are functionally identical. This isn't some Clinton/Sanders thing where Sanders is actually proposing legislation that has actual functional differences to Clinton: Miliband and Corbyn are putting forward the exact same stuff. They just chose to put different spins on it. Turns out Corbyn's is worse, to nobody's surprise.

As for the NES, nobody knows what the NES statement actually means - it's not a policy proposal at the moment, it's a buzzword. To quote the NUT, normally quite Corbyn friendly:

It's quite unclear to see the detail of what exactly is being proposed at this time. Whether or not it got locked up in bureaucracy would be dependent on whether it would be a body, a non-governmental body, or an agency, or if it could be a vision like Every Child Matters . . . you need stability in education policy, and you need long term planning, rather than short term political gimmicks.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

People who dont bother voting... just bloody vote.

 

[Par Score]

Theresa has form here too. Her response to calls for a second Scottish Independence referendum:

Unfortunately, Tories never seem to get punished for their brazen hypocrisy and desperate scrabbling to put party before country.

 

[SlickShoes]

I got burnt by the LD protest vote last time around when they cosied up with the Cons, not sure I am going to make that mistake again.

As much as I think Corbyn is a dolt, I can't see any other vote than a Lab one.

Things have changed massively though, I could understand why someone wouldn't vote Lib Dem last time but now they are the only party in England that can soften the Brexit blow.

 

[Meadows]

Fuck right off.

bit harsh...

 

[oti]

On the one hand, this is masterful strategy by May and the Tories.

On the other hand, this really shows they put the party before the country. This is not the time for these kind of power plays. But here we are.

 

[HazySaiyan]

Yeah will be a labour wipeout I think, might end up with less than 100 seats.

And I bet the dithering old cunt still won't have the good sense to step down after.

 

[Jezbollah]

SPREAD THIS URL

REGISTER YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE

https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

 

[twobear]

My guess for worst case scenario;

Tories run on 'no deal better than bad deal' platform.

Tories go into negotiations in bad faith, walk away with bad deal.

Claim they have a mandate for no deal, to turn UK into the tax haven they've wanted since the 80s.

Someone convince me this isn't realistic please

 

[TheMagician]

If I was Labour I'd be leading with a 'Vote Labour to save the NHS' campaign.

 

[DiGiKerot]

I won't even bother voting. Northumberland is always labour who I'd vote for but the tories won't lose anyway.

Vote anyway. We live in unprecedented times, and Brexit could sway people regardless of prior political leanings. Even if you vote for someone who has no chance of getting in, People thinking there's no chance of changing things is the real problem preventing change. It's, like, twenty minutes out of your year.

 

[MrS]

SPREAD THIS URL

REGISTER YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE

https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

You are doing gods work

 

[GeeTeeCee]

I got burnt by the LD protest vote last time around when they cosied up with the Cons, not sure I am going to make that mistake again.

As much as I think Corbyn is a dolt, I can't see any other vote than a Lab one.

I got burned too, but I honestly think the Lib Dems have completed their penance and rebuilt themselves after the whole Tuition Fee debacle last time and are now the closest thing we've got to genuine opposition.

I hated them for teaming up with the Tories for a brief taste of power too, but even then it can be argued that they might have blunted the worst of the Tories' plans while they had to work together (look what the Conservatives have managed to do unopposed in the last few years).

 

[Symphonia]

How does calling an early election allow her to bail out? Can someone explain this?

Someone else will be chosen to take the reigns, therefore being forced to take the blame. She doesn't want to deal with the aftermath of the botched Brexit referendum.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

My guess for worst case scenario;

Tories run on 'no deal better than bad deal' platform.

Tories go into negotiations in bad faith, walk away with bad deal.

Claim they have a mandate for no deal, to turn UK into the tax haven they've wanted since the 80s.

Someone convince me this isn't realistic please

That sounds... pretty much like what I expect too.

 

[Lagamorph]

Someone else will be chosen to take the reigns, therefore being forced to take the blame. She doesn't want to deal with the aftermath of the botched Brexit referendum.

What? Nobody else can be chosen to take the reigns. This isn't anything remotely like the US elections where there's a public vote on who the leader is going to be.

 

[oti]

My guess for worst case scenario;

Tories run on 'no deal better than bad deal' platform.

Tories go into negotiations in bad faith, walk away with bad deal.

Claim they have a mandate for no deal, to turn UK into the tax haven they've wanted since the 80s.

Someone convince me this isn't realistic please

...

Maybe you guys should write something on a bus? That seems to be a pretty great campaign tool.

 

[Vagabundo]

The Lib Dems are going to try to run this as EU referendum 2, this time with the boundaries set as hard Brexit vs everyone else. A *real* EU referendum 2 on those terms would result in a landslide "No fucking way" to hard Brexit. How much of that feeling the Lib Dems can mobilise is going to determine how much they manage to turn things around.

The Lib Dems have more than enough ammunition to use against labour and the tories. They need to go for broke here and hammer the points home on hard brexit and call them on the bullshit about the NHS etc. Lib Dems need to get ruthless.

 

[Symphonia]

What? Nobody else can be chosen to take the reigns. This isn't anything remotely like the US elections where there's a public vote on who the leader is going to be.

Corbyn will if he has his way.

 

[Oersted]

If the downfall of the british and american empires last year should have taught you one thing, than its go voting.

 

[iapetus]

bit harsh...

No, it was the toned down version. Anyone who can't see what not bothering to vote because it's a sure thing has done in the UK and US recently deserves whatever they get.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

UK going full retard on Brexit. These elections will do nothing.

 

[iapetus]

Maybe you guys should write something on a bus? That seems to be a pretty great campaign tool.

You can't go writing things that are true on a bus. That's against the rules.

 

[Mr. Sam]

I thought the timing of the Article 50 notification was dodgy considering the French and German elections that had to take place first - Theresa was obviously of the opinion that the two year deadline wasn't tight enough.

 

[norinrad]

The UK always looks like something out of 1984. Fascinating.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

No, it was the toned down version. Anyone who can't see what not bothering to vote because it's a sure thing has done in the UK and US recently deserves whatever they get.

Yeah but I got banned last time I said something like that. It's one thing for the proles and another for the bourgeoisie!

 

[Real Hero]

-Draconian NeoCons who want to turn my country into a tax haven/sports direct warehouse
-no hoper party on its last legs, representing the death throes of the ruined british working class, perpetually learing from crisis to crisis
-turncoat champagne centrists without ideology or presence
-one issue nationalists with an adoration for the impossible that even by today's low standard would take scotland to utter ruin
-useless environmentalists without the qualifications or backbone to manage a kickabout
-bigots responsible for the calamity of brexit

Fucking hell, this truly is the nadir of british democracy

You can some up every political party in every country in such a way.

 

[AngryMoth]

Seems like an astute move from them politically. Also, we are fucked.

 

[Lashley]

UK going full retard on Brexit. These elections will do nothing.

They want it out the way before the ramifications of brexit become obvious

 

[gofreak]

If people who're unhappy with the Tories or Brexit are discouraged about the alternatives and stay at home, then May will simply get a stronger rubber-stamp on her approach. The conservative Brexiteers will certainly be out to vote here.

If you're unhappy with the Tory approach, then get out and vote. Doesn't matter if you feel the opposition isn't strong - any dilution of May's victory will help send a message.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Small silver lining: Banks will run against Carswell in Clacton and lose, Paul Nuttall will fail to be elected for the nth time, and UKIP will probably disappear over the next 10-15 years.