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Theresa May Statement: June 8th General Election requested
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Right, but I don't think centrist means what you think it means. 'centrist' seems to be used synonymously with 'Blairite neoliberal' (you know what I mean
). That's not 'centrism' any more - it's not where the median voter is at. A genuinely centrist Labour Party, at the centre of the British political spectrum, is going to look more small-c conservative, is going to be bigger on patriotism, tougher on immigration, anti-globalism, and so on. They're going to look *more* like Kate Hoey, not less.giant_frying_pan
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A snap general election purely about politics and tactics to increase their majority.
A snap general election a few weeks after the PM ruled it out, categorically.
A snap general election a few weeks after triggering Article 50.
The tories are cunts. Don't vote for cunts.
A snap general election a few weeks after the PM ruled it out, categorically.
A snap general election a few weeks after triggering Article 50.
The tories are cunts. Don't vote for cunts.
31GhostsIV
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Christ.
Is this a GE, or a disguised second referendum?
It's awful that we've had the Tories in power doing Tory things for seven years or so, but people keep voting for them. I expect this election to be no different.
The only benefit I foresee is that Corbyn finally gets kicked to the kerb and we somehow get the opposition we deserve.
Is this a GE, or a disguised second referendum?
It's awful that we've had the Tories in power doing Tory things for seven years or so, but people keep voting for them. I expect this election to be no different.
The only benefit I foresee is that Corbyn finally gets kicked to the kerb and we somehow get the opposition we deserve.
Vivalaraza
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Come on.
Losing the election is in no shape or form going to be a win for the Tories. I mean it's not gonna happen but there is cynicism and then there is plain nonsense.
To be fair, and I'm sure cyclops & crab will take me down for this from both sides, but there are some fairly decent arguments on the left for getting rid of corporation tax and replacing it with something else. It ultimately doesn't work very well, fails to achieve what it's suppossed to do, and seems to be deeply regressive - the bigger the corporation, the easier it is to avoid.
autumnleaf
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There is no demand for an election from the people and no great backing for the opposition. Low voter turnout and just generally apathy will see people vote for the usual.
Given how Jeremy Corbyn is just a pumpkin set atop an old suit jacket found in a student union I can absolutely see why the Tories would see blood in the water.
While I don't doubt that the Tories have done a ton of research and feel confident I still feel like there could yet be a sting in the tail as someone like the Liberal Democrats put themselves forward as the party that could 'reverse' Brexit.
While I don't doubt that the Tories have done a ton of research and feel confident I still feel like there could yet be a sting in the tail as someone like the Liberal Democrats put themselves forward as the party that could 'reverse' Brexit.
BossDarkseid
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Corbyn staying would be awful. Kinda hope that if that happens some people in Labour and others get the guts to break from New Labour etc and maybe form a new party. Or the rebirth of the Lib Dems, maybe. But once Tim Farron has hosted HIGNFY I can never take him seriously...
QuicheFontaine
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Pretty daft to suggest that that kind of thing is alright in a "UK environment" imo. You can express your position better surely?
Definitely shitposting. Even cut off the tail end of the post that explained why he wasn't voting. It's not really conducive to discussion to do that, is it?
Right, but I don't think centrist means what you think it means. 'centrist' seems to be used synonymously with 'Blairite neoliberal' (you know what I mean
Depends - didn't Ashcroft polling last time around show that Blair was the most popular leader still with people who previously voted labour and now voted Tory?
I just think hoey is a dead end. She's not a working class rep for labour anymore than I am (hell, I was at least born to a very working class northern family!). She's a DUP politician transplanted to london, and I'd argue that outside of Brexit and smoking she's out of sync with the white working class as well in England.
And by centrist, I mean centre left. I don't think either party will ever cross to the other side, but I'd do think there's now a decent amount of room to move back to the middle. Mays been trying very hard to claim that territory but there is space there for a Labour Party that sells a message of economic ambition and opportunity.
Labour, ultimately, has to stop talking about the top 10% and the bottom 10%. That's not how you win votes or elections.
JimiNutz
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I really have no idea why they are so popular currently. Its been a complete shit show for a while.
Usually I vote Green but Labour will get my vote this time purely because I don't want them to fall even further behind.
I wonder if the memory of Blair is (one thing) hurting Labour's popularity. During the EU referendum he had worse unfavourables than Corbyn and that was before Chilcot came out.
Charles Brandon
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TBH, I'm starting to see the positives in this. There is absolutely fuck all chance that the Tories don't romp home, no matter what tactical voting people do but they are already pursuing their ridiculous brexit policy unopposed so on that front nothing much changes/
Reasons to be positive
- Labour collapse brings forward the end of Corbyn's reign by three years, his replacement may be a more effective check and balance on the brexit process.
- Corbyn would likely have contested 2020 election and lost just as hard, now we have a chance of change of government in 2022, not 2025.
- election may crystallise a formal anti-brexit movement consisting of SNP, resurgent Lib-Dems and a possible rebel Labour movement which may again curb government excesses on brexit.
Reasons to be positive
- Labour collapse brings forward the end of Corbyn's reign by three years, his replacement may be a more effective check and balance on the brexit process.
- Corbyn would likely have contested 2020 election and lost just as hard, now we have a chance of change of government in 2022, not 2025.
- election may crystallise a formal anti-brexit movement consisting of SNP, resurgent Lib-Dems and a possible rebel Labour movement which may again curb government excesses on brexit.
I can't say I know of a single labour MP that fufills that. The party is one part blairites, one part blair-lite holier than thou career shysters, and one part marxist limpets
The people who still like Blair are the people who count, electorally. He remains the most favorable labour leader in the eyes of the single most important voting group in the county - labour voters who switched to the conservatives in 2010.
So whilst Labour Party members hate him because of Iraq, and tories hate him because he's Blair, there's a really important group of voters out there who still think he was the best placed to speak to them.
Yeah, but Lashley might have been offended, and genuinely no offence was meant. If my best friends were to say the same thing I would happily say the same to their faces.
31GhostsIV
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"If there's not an election now, game playing will continue"
Having an opposing political view isn't 'playing games' May, you vile old trout. That's what the job of opposing political parties entails. Also, isn't saying there won't be an election then suddenly calling for one playing games?
Come on UK, wake up and see through this shit. Please. If Trump can win, some crazy things can happen here. Even a hung parliament would be magical.
Having an opposing political view isn't 'playing games' May, you vile old trout. That's what the job of opposing political parties entails. Also, isn't saying there won't be an election then suddenly calling for one playing games?
Come on UK, wake up and see through this shit. Please. If Trump can win, some crazy things can happen here. Even a hung parliament would be magical.
Audioboxer
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The Conservative way of doing things does benefit a lot of upper class/elites. They've always been popular in many parts of England. Labour used to be able to joust with them, so the real story of England is the utter collapse of Labour. Losing 40 seats in Scotland just further enforces how badly the party has died.
I think those not in the upper class may view The Conservatives as the party of "British values". Proper/posh/elite/well-educated and the party of The Queen. Even although the Queen and Royal Family are supposed to be apolitical. Still, mix all of that together and you may well get lower class/working class thinking "this is a proper British party, they have my vote..... WHY IS THE NHS NOT HELPING ME/WHERE IS MY BENEFITS?".
Yeah, the irony involved in people on the outskirts of society voting Conservative is palpable.
Election results if the current YouGov poll played out in the election (uniform swing):
Dont go there you know how reliable polls are these days lol...
Because uk voters place a high priority on the appearance of competence, and right now May looks to be the only adult in the room. Corbyn is a disaster pr wise, and Faron is invisible, so !ay gets the support.
There's a lot of 'I'm not comfortable with what's happening, but someone has to be in charge and Mays the only decent one one offer' going on right now. Labour have completely and utterly failed in their main duty as opposition.
JonnyDBrit
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God damn.
You're right, no way Labour gets as high as 23%
reggieandTFE
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Does Corbyn leave after the expected big loss?
Parliament calls for it with a majority, the PM just needs to request it for a valid cause.
Charles Brandon
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people talk about recent poll failings but brexit/trump were always marginal calls. Tories will win bigs, Labour will be eviscerated. It's guaranteed. The numbers don't matter
It actually needs two-thirds majority in Parliament to pass. Corbyn waving the white flag means it'll happen though.
Well done, Jezza.
I'm sort of the same. Except I can't vote for Labour in good conscience (in their current state). So it's gotto be the Lib Dems. Someone check my thinking for me.
Dorsal Axe
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May's gonna walk it, but hey at least we can finally be rid of Corbyn sooner rather than later.
Lots of people saying to vote for a specific party, but really, if you truly don't want the Tories you should cast your vote for whoever polls right behind the Conservatives. No use voting for a party that always performs poorly in your constituency, when there's a candidate that just needs that little boost in votes to edge it.
Lots of people saying to vote for a specific party, but really, if you truly don't want the Tories you should cast your vote for whoever polls right behind the Conservatives. No use voting for a party that always performs poorly in your constituency, when there's a candidate that just needs that little boost in votes to edge it.
Actually it's almost impossible for them to have big gains. The most likely option is they lose one or two seats to the tories. They might pick up the lib dem seat in Scotland though.
When you're already in control of 90% of the seats for your area it's hard to improve on that...;-)
Partly this...
But there seems to be nothing in the pipeline regarding a new upcoming leader.
I had slight hopes for Chuka Umunna - but he might have some skeletons in his closet.
He'll pledge to fight the Tories after the election. The Corbyn way.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Pretty reliable, actually.
QuicheFontaine
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Election results if the current YouGov poll played out in the election (uniform swing):
Didn't UKIP already lose their one seat? I thought Carswell jumped ship
The two thirds rule was put there as a safeguard for the coalition. It's utterly irrelevant outside of those circumstances. No leader of the opposition, no matter HOW they feel about an election, would be able to vote against it. They would immediately get pilloried in the media from all sides, and there's no real defense against the accusation you're tying to stop voters having their say in an election.
As you can judge from my post history, I'm hardly Corbyn biggest fan, but the two thirds rule was never anything other than a formality once we were outside of the coalition.
MrS
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Nope.
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