Now is not the time.
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Theresa May Statement: June 8th General Election requested
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Now is not the time.
+ You may support Brexit, but do you seriously support Cruella De'May and her love for Trump and anything evil?
Charles Brandon
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because one is vastly more significant than the other?
Also brexit negos will be on hold now until the summer anyway due to elections in France and Germany. There's no way you would hold a snap referendum in the same time frame, it needs much more time for debate and campaigning.
Jezbollah
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Both require UK Parliamentary Acts on this occasion.
"Black gang jeer Diana at cinema" - the Express never failing to pander to the racist vote I see
Is that still going to go ahead now?
Charles Brandon
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surely that by-election will be cancelled
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Surely we should be waiting to see the outcome of the brexit negotiations. No one can be expected to make a decision without all the information. Now is not the time.
No they don't. Holding an election does not require an act of parliament. MPs can and will vote for it tomorrow / that's already enshrined in the parliament reform act.
The Scottish referendum does need an act, because you have to delegate the power for it to holyrood and you have to agree wording etc. Even if May wanted to hold another referendum, she couldn't have a vote on it tomorrow.
Audioboxer
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Tactical masterclass from May is the timing on this means the country thinks it's another vote for Brexit... lol. It's a GE, it impacts how the country will be run internally for the next chunk of our lives. But no, BREEEEEEEEEEXIT!!!!!
This is not a vote for Brexit. Act accordingly UK.
Charles Brandon
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that too
Nope. The writ has been moved. The by-election now has to occur.
Opinions:
1) I understand the timing but I'm not on board with it, seems like they have proper work to be doing instead of bringing the circus to town again so soon. Does anyone really want this other than tribalists?
2) I don't think they're going to see the gains suggested by recent polls, because:
3) Certain people will use this as a second referendum - like Tim Fucking Farron. Expect UKIP and LD to pick up votes from people disattisfied with Brexit in each direction, expect the campaigns of both to be laser focused on this issue and nothing else. That should tell you a lot about their suitability for a vote.
4) I have to see Nicola Sturgeon continue her "we're not nationalists but we are but not really except that we are" performance. She will have her pet dog Alex there, he will bark occasionally. Expecting a tour with a William Wallace float this year.
5) More Tim Farron.
6) Labour will probably not lose as many seats as people think, but they will lose. I think there's space for a "student union marxists" fringe lunatic party, but there are too many moderates left in Labour for him to survive another loss as leader. Expect lots of venom when this happens and accusations of people being RED TORIES!
7) Fuck Tim Farron.
8) I will be forced to vote Labour even though I think they're a useless shower of bastards, and even though I like our Lib Dem candidate, because of items 3, 5 and 7. That's coming from someone who would vote Conservative in a proportional representation system. FPTP is stupid.
Summary:
Sigh.
1) I understand the timing but I'm not on board with it, seems like they have proper work to be doing instead of bringing the circus to town again so soon. Does anyone really want this other than tribalists?
2) I don't think they're going to see the gains suggested by recent polls, because:
3) Certain people will use this as a second referendum - like Tim Fucking Farron. Expect UKIP and LD to pick up votes from people disattisfied with Brexit in each direction, expect the campaigns of both to be laser focused on this issue and nothing else. That should tell you a lot about their suitability for a vote.
4) I have to see Nicola Sturgeon continue her "we're not nationalists but we are but not really except that we are" performance. She will have her pet dog Alex there, he will bark occasionally. Expecting a tour with a William Wallace float this year.
5) More Tim Farron.
6) Labour will probably not lose as many seats as people think, but they will lose. I think there's space for a "student union marxists" fringe lunatic party, but there are too many moderates left in Labour for him to survive another loss as leader. Expect lots of venom when this happens and accusations of people being RED TORIES!
7) Fuck Tim Farron.
8) I will be forced to vote Labour even though I think they're a useless shower of bastards, and even though I like our Lib Dem candidate, because of items 3, 5 and 7. That's coming from someone who would vote Conservative in a proportional representation system. FPTP is stupid.
Summary:
Sigh.
WhateverItTakes
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I mean you'd think Conservative voters have more chance of going Lib Dem then joining Mr. Corbyn's wild ride. May as well vote, even if things seem inevitable.
Considering how wrong I was about Brexit, Trump, and the last General election I am really hoping pessimism here gets results.
Charles Brandon
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It is and it isn't. It is because it will be an election utterly dominated by a single issue. It isn't because there is no easy way to make an effective anti-brexit vote (although it is easy to make a pro-brexit vote). So the result will be claimed as a landslide pro-brexit mandate, even though there is no way of voting anti-brexit (in most seats).
It's exactly what it is.
Charles Brandon
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Really? Ha. Lowest turn-out ever.
autumnleaf
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Amazing.
Yeah, that's my thinking. Should have put it in my original post.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I'm hoping this forces Corbyn out. Only possible good scenario from this. rbyn being pro hard brexit is the most damaging thing in this entire shitshow. Can't have an effective opposition if the leading party agrees with you.
I'd just vote based on your MPs current stance if I were you
I will end up deciding whether to literally throw my vote away by spoiling my ballot, or figuratively by voting Lib Dem (the only other party with more than a single-digit share of the vote in my area). Either way this super-safe seat will remain safe
The Tories will easily turn a slim majority into a landslide with this. Frankly I'm surprised they didn't call an election sooner
Charles Brandon
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nah. That is too simplistic. I live in a constituency that has been a three way marginal (LDs, Labour, Tories) in recent elections apart from the last one, which was two way (Labour, Tories). Current majority is Labour by 274. Seat is heavily pro-remain. I can see the Tories losing big votes to the Lib dems and Labour some votes going the same way. This election is easy to predict on a macro level but on an individual seat basis it's very hard in some areas and those are the areas that are most likely to be in play.
Wow. I thought this whole Brexit couldn't be more of a shitstorm than it was already, but hey, you gotta love the surprise!
Also, that logic on the spying laws... horrible.
Your concept of "saint" must be really weird.She is a saint by comparison to the other options.
On the subject of spying laws: if you aren't being naughty, what do you have to hide?
Also, that logic on the spying laws... horrible.
Jezbollah
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TIL if thats right (and it will be legally binding) for Scotland. I was careful to word it for a UK GE as normally its within the PM's power, but with the FTPA act another vote is required (if thats considered a new act or part of a FTPA option)
- Gain a bigger majority while Labour is in disarray.
- Gives her a mandate since she'll actually be elected in this time.
- Means the next general election won't be right after Brexit, which gives them more time to pick up the pieces. Regardless of how Brexit turns out, it's fair to say at first it's going to be a bit of a mess, and with the old election date, Tories could easily be blamed for that.
She's trying to make sure her shit deal with the EU will get passed by parliament.
At the moment she's got fcuk all majority and many of her MP's are anti-Brexit anyway.... good chance it could be voted down.
If she gets a bigger majority, then she knows whatever she comes back with will get passed
31GhostsIV
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Not sure yet. Although I'm hoping that this will be for May like Brexit was for Cameron. It won't though, because we love punishing ourselves in Britain for some reason.
I think the final point makes the most sense, despite this entire situation being the Tories fault to begin with.
It's obviously not going to be perfect for every constituency but it's still a good indication.
Zvonimir Boban
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My constituency has been Labour since 1992 so I guess I'm going with bumbling incompetent
WhateverItTakes
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I am super curious to see polls and stuff now that we're gearing up for election mode. I know the last year has everyone weary but I'd like to see what people's current intentions are and how they'd shift. The spreadsheet is great for getting people thinking though.
Jezbollah
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I lived in Southend in 2015, and was left with the same choice. :/
Back home now and it's safe Conservatives....
Principate
Saint Titanfall
She is a saint by comparison to the other options.
On the subject of spying laws: if you aren't being naughty, what do you have to hide?
You mean Xenophobia stoking Theresa May? Cameron may have been a greedy cunt but I didn't get the feeling he was chomping at the bit to sell to all immigrants down the river.
May's going to walk this, isn't she? She wouldn't call a snap election unless it benefited her.
Not really impressed with Corbyn's leadership but I'm still going to vote Labour (although it's more that I'm voting against the Tories). Not that it matters as I live in a very safe Labour seat (Sheffield Central), so I'm not really going to affect anything at all. I just want anyone other than the Tories that much, though.
This is a test for Corbyn as well, though. If the Tories steamroll the opposition, he has to go.
Not really impressed with Corbyn's leadership but I'm still going to vote Labour (although it's more that I'm voting against the Tories). Not that it matters as I live in a very safe Labour seat (Sheffield Central), so I'm not really going to affect anything at all. I just want anyone other than the Tories that much, though.
This is a test for Corbyn as well, though. If the Tories steamroll the opposition, he has to go.
QuicheFontaine
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Well, she looked pretty reluctant meeting Trump, but it seems increasingly clear that we're going to need the US more than ever going forward anyway.
Edit:
I keep hearing about this "tax haven" strategy. Would that mean I'd pay less tax? I'm in favour if so.
Stead Fast
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News of this just started circulating at my cafe, and the number one question on everyone elses mind here is 'what does this mean for Brexit?'
I fear how much the Tories will play up to Brexit voters here to increase their majority.
Please, anyone who can vote, think of what a now EU free Tory government can do to us all.
I fear how much the Tories will play up to Brexit voters here to increase their majority.
Please, anyone who can vote, think of what a now EU free Tory government can do to us all.
Hi Miles. Why do you have a seething rage for Corbyn?
Yep, the fixed term parliament act has an option already built in - it requires two thirds of sitting MPs to vote for an election, which May easily has.
It was a toothless bit of legislation that only existed to keep the coalition in place - once a party has a majority, it doesn't mean anything as no party can tell the voters they aren't allowed an election.
So May calling for an election is simply part of parcel of normal business. She's given herself an extra week beyond the usual six week period to allow for the vote in parliament, but that really is a formality.
MrS
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They said Remain would be victorious. How did that go again?
My seat has been a Tory seat for something like 20 years. I hope I can oust them, but I can't see my area on that HOW TO BEAT THE TORIES.
Please UK, please save this last bit of hope that you're not all idiots. You can see how bad the tories are going to be, please don't vote them in.
In a Tax haven, you pay more tax. Companies pay less.
Please UK, please save this last bit of hope that you're not all idiots. You can see how bad the tories are going to be, please don't vote them in.
In a Tax haven, you pay more tax. Companies pay less.
Tell the guy here and he'll add it: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedking..._to_tactfully_vote_to_stop_the_tories_on_8th/
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