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[Maledict]

They said Remain would be victorious. How did that go again?

They actually didn't. It's a myth. All the polls were clustered around the same point, and the result was within the margin of error. In a lot of ways Brexit was a result of us ignoring what the polls were saying.

(Unlike the 2015 GE, and the last USA GE, where the polls were simply wrong).

 

[Bumhead]

My seat has been a Tory seat for something like 20 years. I hope I can oust them, but I can't see my area on that HOW TO BEAT THE TORIES.

Please UK, please save this last bit of hope that you're not all idiots. You can see how bad the tories are going to be, please don't vote them in.

I hope whatever your plan is to BEAT THE TORIES ends up being a little better than this childish screeching.

 

[jimbobsmells]

She is a saint by comparison to the other options.

On the subject of spying laws: if you aren't being naughty, what do you have to hide?

I hope you're fucking joking on both counts

 

[Moosichu]

Well, she looked pretty reluctant meeting Trump, but it seems increasingly clear that we're going to need the US more than ever going forward anyway.

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I keep about this "tax haven" strategy. Would that mean I'd pay less tax? I'm in favour if so.

It means less tax for businesses usually. The consequences of a decreased tax revenue are extremely far reaching and complex. A tax haven can't support a welfare state, infrastructure projects and many other comforts we rely on in our daily lives.

 

[ittoryu]

Well, she looked pretty reluctant meeting Trump, but it seems increasingly clear that we're going to need the US more than ever going forward anyway.

Great eh?

 

[nekkid]

They said Remain would be victorious. How did that go again?

What do you think I meant when I said "binaries"?

 

[nekkid]

They said Remain would be victorious. How did that go again?

The polls guess percentages, not "A or B". They said it was close, and within (well within) a margin of error, it was.

 

[Charles Brandon]

My seat has been a Tory seat for something like 20 years. I hope I can oust them, but I can't see my area on that HOW TO BEAT THE TORIES.

Please UK, please save this last bit of hope that you're not all idiots. You can see how bad the tories are going to be, please don't vote them in.



In a Tax haven, you pay more tax. Companies pay less.

What area is this?

In most tax havens everyone pays less or no tax, companies and individuals included.

 

[Principate]

My seat has been a Tory seat for something like 20 years. I hope I can oust them, but I can't see my area on that HOW TO BEAT THE TORIES.

Please UK, please save this last bit of hope that you're not all idiots. You can see how bad the tories are going to be, please don't vote them in.



In a Tax haven, you pay more tax. Companies pay less.

Tories are going to be voted in regardless the question how much ground we lose or in absolute best case scenario if we can remove their majority.

The problem is that is Corbyn remains leaders the Tories can still pass the majority of shit they want and send us hurtling down. The Brexit will still be very hard indeed.

 

[kmag]

I keep hearing about this "tax haven" strategy. Would that mean I'd pay less tax? I'm in favour if so.

It'll mainly be the corporations saving, any personal savings will be removed by the various insurances and charges you'll end up paying for the services you consume.

 

[Violet_0]

is Brexit already past the point of no return? Purely hypothetical question, but if one party was to run on the promise of pulling the breaks and won the majority of votes, could they even do that anymore?

 

[StayDead]

I hope whatever your plan is to BEAT THE TORIES ends up being a little better than this childish screeching.

Was there any need to insult me? Don't agree with someone, best belittle them! Yay.

 

[oti]

Well, she looked pretty reluctant meeting Trump, but it seems increasingly clear that we're going to need the US more than ever going forward anyway.

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I keep hearing about this "tax haven" strategy. Would that mean I'd pay less tax? I'm in favour if so.

You know. Your little "I'm all for Brexit everything's great but I don't really know this stuff lol" Spiel is getting embarrassing. I don't buy that you're as delusional as other Leavers so I don't understand why you're acting this way. If this is some kind of coping mechanism then please, continue.

 

[jimbobsmells]

I keep hearing about this "tax haven" strategy. Would that mean I'd pay less tax? I'm in favour if so.

No way. You'll be paying through the nose to subsidise multinationals.
I imagine we'll end up like Singapore.

 

[Charles Brandon]

is Brexit already past the point of no return? Purely hypothetical question, but if one party was to run on the promise of pulling the breaks and won, could they even do that anymore?

Opinions differ but I believe if both parties agree, then a row back is not out of the question. It's a moot point though really.

 

[Goodlife]

I keep hearing about this "tax haven" strategy. Would that mean I'd pay less tax? I'm in favour if so.

Just don't get ill.

Or lose your job

 

[AGoodODST]

Just seen her speech there.

"The country is united". lmao

 

[theaface]

Well, she looked pretty reluctant meeting Trump, but it seems increasingly clear that we're going to need the US more than ever going forward anyway.

Wow, what a win for the UK. "I suppose we're going to need them". Such optimism about our post-Brexit prosperous future. Fuck morals and principles, when you can cosy up to the likes of Trump's America, Turkey and Saudia Arabia for sweet scraps of trade deals, right?

Oh and as for May's reluctant look, you may want to watch some more footage of her. She has an awkward demeanor. It has nothing to do with her opinions on Trump. She's already shown she's happy to climb into bed (metaphorically, I stress) with anyone to try and salvage a positive post-Brexit narrative.

 

[Plasma]

Not voting for Labour while Corbyn is in charge he is bloody useless, I hope this causes him to go so Labour can start rebuilding.

 

[autumnleaf]

Where's this from? Btw?

Peep Show

 

[ittoryu]

Hi Miles. Why do you have a seething rage for Corbyn?

I am not Miles and I might not be relevant, but I can tell you why I think Corbyn is fucking useless: he is not leading an opposition party.
The Labour didn't oppose anything up until now.
He even went on with the joke of "the real battle begins now" after forcing the whole party to vote the joke of the "brexit bill" introduced by the government.

My 2 cents.

 

[Stead Fast]

I hope whatever your plan is to BEAT THE TORIES ends up being a little better than this childish screeching.

Where did you get 'childish screeching' from their post? They said they live in a Tory prominent constituency, and based on their own political ideology was posting their desire to see said constituency swing in a rapidly growing thread about the GE.

What do you want them to do? Shut up or not post? What good would either do here?

 

[Hazzuh]

Brenda: Voice of the people

 

[Izuna]

Lib Dems, guys.

 

[Zafir]

is Brexit already past the point of no return? Purely hypothetical question, but if one party was to run on the promise of pulling the breaks and won the majority of votes, could they even do that anymore?

I mean, numerous reports suggest Brexit can be stopped at this point.

That said, I think it's pointless to think about at this stage. Conservatives are pushing for Hard Brexit, and I think it's pretty certain they'll win this GE with ease. Not to mention, even if through some miracle Labour won, Corbyn is very much for Brexit himself.

Lib Dems and SNP don't want it, but they don't hold the power to stop it.

 

[RedSparrows]

Wow, what a win for the UK. "I suppose we're going to need them". Such optimism about our post-Brexit prosperous future. Fuck morals and principles, when you can cosy up to the likes of Trump's America, Turkey and Saudia Arabia for sweet scraps of trade deals, right?

Oh and as for May's reluctant look, you may want to watch some more footage of her. She has an awkward demeanor. It has nothing to do with her opinions on Trump. She's already shown she's happy to climb into bed (metaphorically, I stress) with anyone to try and salvage a positive post-Brexit narrative.

I feel so sad.

 

[system11]

Just saw this on /r/unitedkingdom:

How to vote to stop the Tories

Mmmmmmm tribalism.

And yet voting for anyone else is comparable to self harm until they send Corbyn back to the student union bar. It's not actually him as such which is the sole problem there, their whole party is a disaster right now.

 

[oti]

I think it's time again for the official Brexit song. https://youtu.be/NkNQIShMZfY

 

[Dougald]

I hope whatever your plan is to BEAT THE TORIES ends up being a little better than this childish screeching.

Frankly, this post is far more childish than the one you are complaining about

 

[Pandy]

Something that happens every 5 years at a minimum, for the past few centuries, versus a constitutional issue that makes Brexit look simple.

They aren't the same, at all.

The UK have started the 2-year clock running on Article 50, and IIRC preliminary negotiations would have been underway before June which I can only assume now can't happen as we won't have a government so we can't have a formal negotiating position.

Everything about the UK's official negotiating position will go up in dust until such time as May is re-installed as PM. Presumably, the negotiating teams on both sides will have to sit on their hands until then, and if the Tories lose their majority there will be a massive delay while we sort that mess out.

Cut it anyway you like, May's argument is completely indefensible. Yes, elections are a normal thing in UK politics, but dissolving a government with a functioning majority weeks before the EU negotiations start is not normal. This is Tory party political manoeuvring and nothing more.

I can only assume that 'now was not the time' for a Scottish referendum because the reality is that the Tories have had this GE planned for months. They were probably hoping that Labour would oppose Article 50 in the Commons, but went to Plan B when that didn't happen.

Lib Dems, guys.

One thing for sure. If the Lib Dems don't mess up the campaign then that polling earlier in the thread that shows them gaining one seat will be way, way out.
May wants a single issue general election, and while her hard stance will probably bring UKIP voters back to the Tories, it's going to play very well for the Lib Dems too.

 

[Violet_0]

Opinions differ but I believe if both parties agree, then a row back is not out of the question. It's a moot point though really.

I mean, numerous reports suggest Brexit can be stopped at this point.

That said, I think it's pointless to think about at this stage. Conservatives are pushing for Hard Brexit, and I think it's pretty certain they'll win this GE with ease. Not to mention, even if through some miracle Labour won, Corbyn is very much for Brexit himself.

Lib Dems and SNP don't want it, but they don't hold the power to stop it.

oh, I have no illusion of thinking that Brexit can be avoided anymore. I was merely curious about the "what if" dream scenario, heh

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

General election on what? Can anyone explain wtf is axtially going on here? Because as always with UK government, I've got no fucking clue.

 

[Dougald]

General election on what? Can anyone explain wtf is axtially going on here? Because as always with UK government, I've got no fucking clue.

A general election is where a new Parliament is elected and government formed from the party with the majority of seats

 

[Spaghetti]

I'm on my phone so I can't really reply to everybody who posted back to me on why this is happening, but thanks for the answers.

The thought of this being done to be able to pass some real dark shit in Parliament is a little scary. The fact that the Tories are willing to risk the eternal gifthorse in Corbyn being replaced by a better candidate is also a little concerning.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

General election on what? Can anyone explain wtf is axtially going on here? Because as always with UK government, I've got no fucking clue.

Just a General Election. That is, the process by which members of parliament are elected, across the whole country.

 

[Charles Brandon]

oh, I have no illusion of thinking that Brexit can be avoided anymore. I was merely curious about the "what if" dream scenario, heh

The way I look at it, if the UK and the EU both decided that they wanted the UK to stay in the EU, then who is going to stop them cancelling the process? They'll be a way round the law because with this sort of thing there always is if you've got a mind to find it.

 

[Jezbollah]

Yep, the fixed term parliament act has an option already built in - it requires two thirds of sitting MPs to vote for an election, which May easily has.

It was a toothless bit of legislation that only existed to keep the coalition in place - once a party has a majority, it doesn't mean anything as no party can tell the voters they aren't allowed an election.

So May calling for an election is simply part of parcel of normal business. She's given herself an extra week beyond the usual six week period to allow for the vote in parliament, but that really is a formality.

Cheers fella

 

[Principate]

The UK have started the 2-year clock running on Article 50, and IIRC preliminary negotiations would have been underway before June which I can only assume now can't happen as we won't have a government so we can't have a formal negotiating position.

Everything about the UK's official negotiating position will go up in dust until such time as May is re-installed as PM. Presumably, the negotiating teams on both sides will have to sit on their hands until then, and if the Tories lose their majority there will be a massive delay while we sort that mess out.

Cut it anyway you like, May's argument is completely indefensible. Yes, elections are a normal thing in UK politics, but dissolving a government with a functioning majority weeks before the EU negotiations start is not normal. This is Tory party political manoeuvring and nothing more.

I can only assume that 'now was not the time' for a Scottish referendum because the reality is that the Tories have had this GE planned for months. They were probably hoping that Labour would oppose Article 50 in the Commons, but went to Plan B when that didn't happen.

You assume any meaningful negations were going to occur in the two years when there was already talks in the EU that proper negotiations shouldn't start until after the two years are up (but not before any positive EU benefits are gutted from the UK). It's going to be a total slaughterhouse which is why May is calling this now. it's only going to get worse and May wants to sure up her position before this shitcoaster properly starts.

 

[nekkid]

Time to call back Dave Miliband, I guess.

 

[Anung]

I hope whatever your plan is to BEAT THE TORIES ends up being a little better than this childish screeching.

I've read Staydeads post a few times trying to see if there was some meaning I missed to justify this response and whatever I've read seems to be totally different to what you think you've read.

Uncalled for.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

You know. Your little "I'm all for Brexit everything's great but I don't really know this stuff lol" Spiel is getting embarrassing. I don't buy that you're as delusional as other Leavers so I don't understand why you're acting this way. If this is some kind of coping mechanism then please, continue.

Uh ok, if admitting that I don't know something is "spiel", so be it. Personally I think that discussions (especially in politics) would benefit from people being more open about what they don't know.

On the (rare) occassions when a topic comes up where I am an authority, it's incredibly clear that most people have no problem chatting shite and googling / wikipedia-ing because they want to look clever on an internet forum. I'm not really interested in that.

In this case, people have been throwing around the term "tax haven" but what does that really mean?

No way. You'll be paying through the nose to subsidise multinationals.
I imagine we'll end up like Singapore.

See, that I could live with!

 

[gcubed]

They actually didn't. It's a myth. All the polls were clustered around the same point, and the result was within the margin of error. In a lot of ways Brexit was a result of us ignoring what the polls were saying.

(Unlike the 2015 GE, and the last USA GE, where the polls were simply wrong).

The national polls for USA GE were actually right (Hillary did win by over 2%) as were a handful of the aggregators that saw the late movement, but again, nobody wanted to believe them.

Polls are usually right until you put your feeling into them and make them say what you want.

 

[Zyae]

They actually didn't. It's a myth. All the polls were clustered around the same point, and the result was within the margin of error. In a lot of ways Brexit was a result of us ignoring what the polls were saying.

(Unlike the 2015 GE, and the last USA GE, where the polls were simply wrong).

This isnt true, the results were within a normal polling error as was discussed by the team at 538 and Nate Silver, they were ignored.

 

[D4Danger]

Looking for positives in all this May has totally stitched up UKIP. They never got a chance to turn their party into the working class labour vote and will now drift into obscurity.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

Just a General Election. That is, the process by which members of parliament are elected, across the whole country.

A general election is where a new Parliament is elected and government formed from the party with the majority of seats

Ah got it. But I'm also confused. Cruella De'Ville seemed to want to be PM and now she's bored of it? Realized she's managing a catastrophe and making it worse? Unfortunately I can't see the UK voting them out.

 

[Dougald]

Looking for positives in all this May has totally stitched up UKIP. They never got a chance to turn their party into the working class labour vote and will now drift into obscurity.

I don't know who would still vote for them other than the incredibly hardcore supporters. I'm fairly sure even my in-laws who have long, long voted UKIP will vote Conservative now

They are a single-issue party that have done what they were set up to do

Ah got it. But I'm also confused. Cruella De'Ville seemed to want to be PM and now she's bored of it? Realized she's managing a catastrophe and making it worse? Unfortunately I can't see the UK voting them out.

She'll still be PM, unless the Conservatives lose, which is incredibly unlikely (or the party unseats her as leader, even less likely). What this will do is turn a slim Conservative majority in Parliament into a huge one.

 

[Protome]

In this case, people have been throwing around the term "tax haven" but what does that really mean?

It means the Tories will reduce taxes for the rich and businesses to try and encourage them to not abandon the country at the expense of the things that those taxes pay for. So say goodbye to the NHS for starters.

 

[Real Hero]

Time to call back Dave Miliband, I guess.

God no

 

[Bleepey]

Corbyn will get destroyed, then he'll resign, then he'll run for the leadership again and win.

Arguing with a Corbynite is like pulling teeth, the man can do no wrong according to them.

 

[Real Hero]

Ah got it. But I'm also confused. Cruella De'Ville seemed to want to be PM and now she's bored of it? Realized she's managing a catastrophe and making it worse? Unfortunately I can't see the UK voting them out.

She wasn't elected in a GE, now she will be with a bigger majority and mandate for her brexit plans