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earth did not genocide the animal people just to turn around and have tailed saiyans
I mean the universe god is a fucking cat.
ok maybe I should have been more specific but did not want to say "furry"
and beerus is a hairless cat. not a furry
I wonder if we are gonna see any kind of infighting between toriyama and the rest of the dragon house over designs/characters
like how toei downplayed Trunks/Mai but then Toriyama brought Future Mai and made the Pilaf gang residents of the Bulma household
and how surely Toei must have been pushing for a Brola like design, but surely Toriyama will seek a way to make the skinny saiyan more interesting or relevant
surprised Pilaf hasn't been revealed to be a kaiohshin, but then again, Toei may have decided to not kick Pilaf too much into the background, as to not anger Trolliyama. as long as Pilaf makes token appearances, Toriyama will be content and not try to play up his importance again
like how toei downplayed Trunks/Mai but then Toriyama brought Future Mai and made the Pilaf gang residents of the Bulma household
and how surely Toei must have been pushing for a Brola like design, but surely Toriyama will seek a way to make the skinny saiyan more interesting or relevant
surprised Pilaf hasn't been revealed to be a kaiohshin, but then again, Toei may have decided to not kick Pilaf too much into the background, as to not anger Trolliyama. as long as Pilaf makes token appearances, Toriyama will be content and not try to play up his importance again
Yeah I hate how Toriyama completed rolled back the tails! I thought his reason for getting rid of Goku's was funny but they're such a cool/cute aspect for them.
NeonZ
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It wasn't mentioned in the anime, but according to the manga the Universe 6 Saiyans evolved past having tails. Considering the designs we're seeing now all lack tails, that seems to be from Toriyama himself, not just a random line from Toyotaro.
wonder if toriyama will go to more and more complex designs now that he doesn't have to draw them week to week
like...even Beerus is more complex than most of the enemies in dbz
if beerus had appeared in the manga he'd have lost the collar and front hanging...scarf? in his pants after the first fight
I guess that 17 is now simpler than in Cell saga, but then again, 17 only had like the one fight
on the other hand Cell was p complex to draw
trolliyama must have seen the disappointment in Toei's faces and gone "this ...this is not enough"
Toriyama is aware of what animators have to go through. Therefore the current designs already take into consideration how to simplify and make them easier / faster to draw.
They wouldn't be much different in a manga, except probably more complex lines due to Toriyama's style over the anime.
maybe he considers them, but I doubt the impulse to go simple due to animators will be as strong as it was when he was the one doing the drawings week to week
maybe the thing is: complex people don't fight as much. like, the god of destructions in this arc
Jiren has to fight? ok, hairless alien on spandex. dude will just stand on the sidelines, watching the fight? Clown. (ok I don't remember who designed who, but gotta see that the GoDs are somewhat more complex than the ningen)
m_shortpants
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Even Gohan's transformation to SSJ2 at the tournament in the Buu saga was great.
His powering up to ultimate for the first time was great too. Entire Kai planet shaking and all, him looking at his hands and the lightning crackling. Too good.
It was mention in the anime by U6 Supreme Kai.
The characters in the Cell arc in general had a lot of lines on them... the Buu arc definitely felt like the art style was becoming consciously more pared back. Either way I imagine they probably have to go back and forth on the Super characters since they're designed for animation.
Considering he gives them character sheets that are far simpler than whatever he makes normally, no.
He's not asked to randomly doodle, he provides actual character art that is then redrawn to match the current anime style. (usually by yamamuro)
are the originals on the internet
wonder if Jiren was originally another thin guy
yeah thinking on the cell saga, everyone new is SUPER busy.
Starting with Trunks. And hell, even Cyber Freeza is busy as hell
I think the only simple design is 16. like, even the pants in the fat android are crazy lines everywhere
dunno what happened there. Freeza saga was simpler, Buu saga was even simpler. maybe Cell was him going for complexity
There has been some of his designs released in scans that made it to the internet yes.
For this arc, only 17, 18 and Caulifla were seen as drawn by Toriyama. We have seen the Yamamuro version of basically everybody else though.
Yamamuro usually 1:1 the Toriyama drawings, he just streamlines them to be consistent with the rest design wise.
If you meant in general, we have seen many art from Toriyama over the past arcs. It's always funny to compare them to the yamamuro version.
ArchedThunder
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Some of Toriyama's art is out there, here's his Hit design for example;
I doubt Jiren's original design was thin considering how unique his shape is, being very top heavy.
The Last One
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The bird makes perfect sense in that scene. I can't find a single thing I would change. As said before, even the narrator's words are spot on.
17 and 18 Toriyama
Those lines are extremely geometrical and symmetrical, it's a cheap way to add detail on plane surfaces while not spending much time on them.
Those lines are extremely geometrical and symmetrical, it's a cheap way to add detail on plane surfaces while not spending much time on them.
mmm I think you are right and that at least fighting people are intentionally kept simple
down to 17 just having an armband that says 'ranger' instead of a more complex ranger getup
altho of course words on clothes must be a problem too. maybe 17 will just lose the armband during the tourney. I mean...zeno doesn't need to know he is a ranger
down to 17 just having an armband that says 'ranger' instead of a more complex ranger getup
altho of course words on clothes must be a problem too. maybe 17 will just lose the armband during the tourney. I mean...zeno doesn't need to know he is a ranger
ArchedThunder
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Some examples of Toriyama art, this time with the Yamamuro versions to compare to.
Toriyama
Yamamuro
Toriyama
Yamamuro
He should've taken off the jacket and the scarf.
And Goku Black is an amazing design I hope we get to see more of.
NeonZ
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There's also the original art for all new gods of destruction, although only Quitela and Sidra were purely Toriyama.
Vermouth and Jerez were credited to both Toriyama and Toyotaro, but the lines look closer to the other Toyotaro designs to me (especially the way the belt is drawn - Quitela and Sidra went for thinner belts, while those two have thicker ones like the other Toyotaro designs, which are closer to the way Toriyama originally drew Beerus' and Champa's belts).
the animation during the transformation looked like the jacket was about to burst open
maybe it is the only thing holding Future Trunks together
I like the subtext that U6 is a better version of U7
Undead Fantasy
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They have to have differences. Toriyama also hates tails.
"Is Kaio-Ken really a threat anymore in Dragon Ball?"
said everyone last year.
I would not be shocked at all if they bring back tails/oozaru/some kind of powerup related to tails.
Undead Fantasy
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Kaioken is far more useful than Ozaru.
Eh, I don't think anyone thought it couldn't be used.
Kaioken is not the same source of energy as SSJ, so it always made sense to return.
I guess it could make sense for god powers to chance how Ozaru's work, but I just don't see it.I thought Kaioken always could have come back.
Undead Fantasy
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Doesn't matter. Kaioken can bump your power up to 20 times.
It's more useful by default.
Reizo Ryuu
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there's room for both....goku is the only user of kaio-ken ever.
Ozaru essentially has a gigantic weakness though, as demonstrated in Goku's exhibition fight. The sheer increase in size would offset any potential gains in strength. Now if they could make the transformation without growing 30 feet tall, that'd be something to work with.
m_shortpants
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Cough*SSJ4*cough
Reizo Ryuu
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Dunno about that, vegeta didn't slow down at all in oozaru, he intercepted all of goku's attempts easily.
NeonZ
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He didn't slow down, but it's not like he gained speed comparable to the power increase. Goku was already weakened by that point too due to Kaioken x3 damaging his body.
By that point in the fight Goku had been beat up pretty bad though. He'd been spamming kaioken for a while.
I'm not really talking about a loss in speed though. Like, just watch the fight again. The guy just grew so big that he just became a bigger target and it was a lot easier for Goku to escape his vision.
Yeah, he was abusing that shit despite knowing he shouldn't have.
Chaotic-Strike
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I'd say the biggest weakness is the fact all you have to do to defeat it is cut off the tail.
Which is why SSJ4 never made sense as a final transformation in GT.
Primal Oozaru. Keeps the same height but increased power.
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