NYT: Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

oh man lol -- looking forward to the nuts clinging on to ClickHole now

Holy shit at the merch.

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Trump has been losing GOP support pretty steadily for a few months now. His white working class voting block is also being chipped away at. I don't think the GOP is immune to voter pressure and they certainly aren't immune to losing elections. And I think thinking like that actually enables them, because defeatist attitudes breed more defeatists which leads to nobody voting because what's the point, we're all going to lose anyway. Which is a terrible way to think and to enthuse voters to vote for you.

It's not defeatism (i just said i expect republicans to lose everything in 2020), it's realism. I've voted in every election, have donated in every election, and volunteered in a few. And every time I talk to a friend or acquaintance who mentions not voting, I go into a rant/argument to convince them otherwise.

I think the counter to your argument is that you can't get people's hopes up either, otherwise you risk backlash when Trump isn't impeached and the Republican party remains competitive instead of disappearing into nothingness for generations. People said 2008 was the end of the Republican party. Then 2012. Then Trump's nomination. Now Trump's presidency is supposed to be the end. That stuff can be even more damaging to enthusiasm. Better to recognize that the republicans will be sticking around and remaining competitive regardless of what they do, at least until people over 50 start dying en masse. They're a threat to the country that needs to be confronted and contained as much as possible. The optimism behind the notion that Trump will be impeached and this will have lasting, generational damage to the GOP seems like a severe underestimation of that threat.

Edit: also, I know self - identified republicans are only about 30% of the population, but them plus the few independents who will only ever vote republican are about 45% of actual voters.
 
Does anyone even want the job at this point

Who is clean, honest and tough enough to take the punishment in this age of information

Really makes me appreciate how well Obama took the abuse during our cultural transition

Could you imagine any past presidents and how they would deal with this mess?
 
Does anyone even want the job at this point

Who is clean, honest and tough enough to take the punishment in this age of information

Really makes me appreciate how well Obama took the abuse during our cultural transition

Could you imagine any past presidents and how they would deal with this mess?

You have to be a little narcissistic if you want this job, IMO.

I would never want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

It's Russia's goal to destabilize the US. Electing Trump was their pipe dream best case scenario

Especially if he's impeached, the damage is done and will continue.

Fixed.
 
I think it's on the Democrats, in their almost guaranteed period of control (first of Congress, later of the White House) from 2018-2022, to fix those flaws.
Ideally, but how much would that actually matter? What's to stop the next Republican president from just undoing whatever legislature the Democrat did? Trump opened that door with his aggressive action towards Obama's changes and legacy and I don't think it's going to be closed by either party
 
I keep wondering how many people that visit CNN read this as sarcasm. I think it's intended to be somewhat sarcastic, but for some reason I feel like Trump supporters get on this page and think "Even Putin is willing to back up our Glorious Leader's statements and even propaganda network CNN is reporting on this"

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And as for your point about inactive voters, wasn't the margin of victory for this president from inactive rural voters who decided to show up?

They were part of it I suppose. My point was the lesser evil argument isn't very effective.

Also, as a side note I'm worried about what will happen to Trump once he leaves office. Obviously, the POTUS can't​ be charged by normal means but what happens once he's a citizen? Are states or the federal government going to press charges...? It's a very worrying precedent that I think will be used as a political weapon later.
 
Does anyone even want the job at this point

Who is clean, honest and tough enough to take the punishment in this age of information

Really makes me appreciate how well Obama took the abuse during our cultural transition

Could you imagine any past presidents and how they would deal with this mess?

There's an article on HuffPo (dunno if it was already linked here or not) describing how hundreds of positions still haven't been filled, and the piling scandals just keep pushing talent away. Nobody wants anywhere near this administration, and if the disorganization and stress continues I can imagine people jumping ship.
 
They were part of it I suppose. My point was the lesser evil argument isn't very effective.

Also, as a side note I'm worried about what will happen to Trump once he leaves office. Obviously, the POTUS can't​ be charged by normal means but what happens once he's a citizen? Are states or the federal government going to press charges...? It's a very worrying precedent that I think will be used as a political weapon later.

I appreciate your username combined with your avy.
 
I can't see a worse situation than Trump remaining in office. Maybe impeachment in the short term might be worse but in the long run things should get better.

Well, he's sinking his party and their credibility, his EOs are consistently getting shot down by the courts, his party won't be able to pass any legislation, and every fucking day he loses even more credibility and is turning the office into a mockery.

My biggest concern right now is that if/when he is removed, that Democrats lose some steam and thus potentially lose some voters come the midterms.
 
Ideally, but how much would that actually matter? What's to stop the next Republican president from just undoing whatever legislature the Democrat did? Trump opened that door with his aggressive action towards Obama's changes and legacy and I don't think it's going to be closed by either party
The reason has the appearance of rolling so many things back is because a lot of Obama's actions were Executive Orders due to a Congress that refused to work with him.

If Dems can get the House and/or Senate back, you'll have much more opportunity to actually pass laws. Which are much more difficult to just wipe away.
 
Does anyone even want the job at this point

Who is clean, honest and tough enough to take the punishment in this age of information

Really makes me appreciate how well Obama took the abuse during our cultural transition

Could you imagine any past presidents and how they would deal with this mess?

Uh... there was a lady named Hillary Clinton who survived 25 years of mud slinging and definitely wanted the job.
 
I just imagine McMaster placing Trump's phone on a high shelf like he's a punished child. No, no tweeting, you're grounded
Isn't that exactly what happened to him just before the election? He was strangely silent on Twitter because his phone was taken away from him.
 
They were part of it I suppose. My point was the lesser evil argument isn't very effective.

Also, as a side note I'm worried about what will happen to Trump once he leaves office. Obviously, the POTUS can't​ be charged by normal means but what happens once he's a citizen? Are states or the federal government going to press charges...? It's a very worrying precedent that I think will be used as a political weapon later.

It's not worrying at all. Motherfucker committed crimes he should be arrested for them.
 
Isn't that exactly what happened to him just before the election? He was strangely silent on Twitter because his phone was taken away from him.
Yeah his phone got taken from him right before the election. Once he won he took it back. I imagine after he threw his entire WH administration under the bus with his last tweet about the Trump/Russia meeting. They likely took it away from him. However, don't worry Trump Jr. is here to fill his spot.
 
Congressman Al Green called for impeachment this morning.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/333807-dem-calls-for-trump-impeachment-on-house-floor

Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) called for President Trump to be impeached from the House floor on Wednesday morning, accusing the president of obstruction of justice.

"I rise today with a sense of responsibility and duty to the people who have elected me, a sense of duty to this country, a sense of duty to the Constitution of the United States of America," he began. "I rise today, Mr. Speaker, to call for the impeachment of the President of the United States of America for obstruction of justice."

"There is a belief in this country that no one is above the law. And that includes the President of the United States of America."
 
OléGunner;237127758 said:
From the BBC:

The American right has spent decades rabble-rousing and demonizing the opposition to the point where their base is whipped into such a fervor and believe that democrats are so awful, Russia has easily been able to co-opt this sentiment and use it to brazenly undermine the country's geopolitical standing. Doubtful that the GOP as a whole actually wants this, but their frenzied base has spun out of control and they don't seem to know what to do about it, so they're just playing along.
 
This is the first time these words have been uttered in the same sentence.

Slight improvement, maybe, but Pence is still scum. We're kinda losing either way.

we are losing as long as any GOP member is in a seat

the vast majority of them are vile, complicit and dangerous
 
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