Hoping that game is Fable 4. Unless you're talking new IP altogether.
Xbox E3 Conference 6/11 2pm PST
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Hoping that game is Fable 4. Unless you're talking new IP altogether.
Rumblebones
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Don't show me something coming out in 2019 please. My biggest problem with these conferences is when ppl show their games way too early. I just wanna see games that are maybe a year or so out. Tired of being hyped for a game and then it doesn't come out for 3 or 4 years, or at all.
LegalEagleMike
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Yes please don't show things more than a year or year and a half away.
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arhra
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There's more to E3 than just the press conference, though.
I just don't see them having anything press-conference-worthy to say about VR. Last time Phil talked about VR in the console context, he was saying it was more likely to be in the 2018 timeframe, so unless they're planning on launching that super-early next year I'd expect any Scorpio VR push to be at next year's E3.
There's also the question of what they demo on it, if they do show VR this year. They showed Minecraft VR last year, so that wouldn't be anything new (worth noting if it's coming to Scorpio, but that's a 5s segment of a sizzle reel, not a whole demo segment), and VR bolt-ons to existing games, while potentially cool (I'd love to have VR support for Forza, Elite Dangerous, etc), again, isn't really worth a demo.
The only real possibilities I can think of would be Fallout 4 VR (if Bethesda don't want to save that for their own event), or maybe whatever Casey Hudson has been working on, assuming that's been refocused to VR rather than HoloLens. The only other option would maybe some surprise third-party game having substantial VR support, kinda like RE7 did, but that seems like a long-shot.
It seems a bit far fetched that in around a year after Lionhead closing they would have found another team that already has something ready to show.
Next year sounds more realistic for an early showing if they're doing anything with it.
Pretty much. Legends was cancelled in 2016. It's gonna take 3+ years to get another Fable out and they probably haven't even looked at a studio to start another game. Not gonna see it anytime soon
rokkerkory
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Wow in just over 2 weeks. Cannot wait. 
E3 will be amazing.
E3 will be amazing.
A lot is already known. State of decay, crackdown, sea of thieves, forza, madden, Minecraft, VR.
I'm probably forgetting some stuff.
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
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DriftingSpirit
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Minecraft and AR/VR has already been confirmed for the conference.
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
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Source?
ToyMachine228
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I disagree with this whole heartedly. Scorpio is about rebooting the entire generation for Xbox. They can't afford to play it safe. They need to come out swinging and unleash a whole new vision and line up that will inspire confidence and get fans to commit to Xbox once more. Show us great games that are coming in the next year or two yes, but give us more to be excited about down the road with Scorpio. Show me a road map.
DriftingSpirit
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Can someone provide the source for these? I didn't make note of them at the time they were mentioned.
This. If Microsoft's big "AAA" exclusives of E3 2017 are CD3, SOD2, SOT and Forza 7 then they have screwed up. It will be a sign that they have run out of steam and have capitulated to Sony on the exclusives front. I want to know what I am getting into when I buy a console and I won't buy a Scorpio if I am not given a pretty good idea of what the next 1-2 years will look like.
I mean well guess it's not for you. Phil already stated they aren't going to show things years from release. After this E3 you're likely not going to know what their full 2018 or 2019 slate looks like
a Master Ninja
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I do not expect a Killer Instinct Season 4. However, they have been holding off revealing the final character for months now, so my prediction is that it will be tied to a new game announcement. Like if the last KI character is Joanna Dark, they've got a new Perfect Dark game or whatever.
That is a really bad strategy for a console manufacturer. They're the only game publishers that genuinely benefit from announcing games far in advance, as it gives a sense that their console is a good long-term investment.
LukasTaves
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AR/VR were mentioned at build, but not necessarily the presser.
Minecraft isn't official, but either Windows Central or Microsoft Power User got to play the UWP version on Xbox, and received confirmation that the game will be at E3 alongside unification of the xbone and win10 versions, and Scorpio Support.
blue_phazon
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Looking forward to seeing some Crackdown, State of Decay, and Sea of Thieves gameplay!
Too bad it's most likely that there'll only be 2 new first party games announced. I'm guessing Forza 7 and Ori 2. I think this conference is all about showing gameplay for the games listed above (especially Crackdown), and to showcase 3rd party games on the Scorpio.
Too bad it's most likely that there'll only be 2 new first party games announced. I'm guessing Forza 7 and Ori 2. I think this conference is all about showing gameplay for the games listed above (especially Crackdown), and to showcase 3rd party games on the Scorpio.
I really hope they go all-out this E3 and flat out announce the roadmap for the next 2-3 years of first party releases at the very least.
I think it's pretty easy to see what the problem Microsoft faces is. We talk about branding and identity, and they say they want to focus on service games more, but at the end of the day, they've struggled with quantity AND quality across their entire portfolio this gen. A new interface and more powerful system that can deliver native-res games will be much appreciated, but their biggest problem at this point is very much their first party output. Counting only console-exclusive retail games above 85 on Metacritic. Left out remasters for the most part, but included TLOU and MCC because TLOU was still quite relevant and close to its initial release, and MCC because it's clearly not your typical remaster in terms of magnitude.
PS4 -
TLOU Remastered - 95
Persona 5 - 93
Uncharted 4 - 93
Bloodborne - 92
Horizon - 89
Nier - 88
Nioh - 88
Yakuza 0 - 85
Ratchet & Clank - 85
Xbox One -
Forza Horizon 3 - 91
Forza 6 - 87
Forza Horizon 2 - 86
Killer Instinct Season 3 - 86
Halo MCC - 85
The comparison is stark, with the Xbox One only having these 5 exclusives, 3 of which are Forza games, one fighting game which I'm not sure counts as a retail game, and a collection of old Halo games which has severe issues with multiplayer to this day.
Worth noting that even the Switch also already has one 90+ exclusive new game, which is Zelda at 97. Also Mario Kart, but that's a 2+ year old game at time of re-release.
The hardware stuff will be great, and we know it'll be great. The one biggest problem they're currently facing goes far beyond their 2013 woes, and announcing their current plans far in advance will actually help give confidence in them. They need their currently announced line-up to come out and be surprisingly great, while giving us a roadmap of what's to come that looks promising. If the present looks surprisingly bright after their lineup comes out, AND they have great hardware, AND the future looks bright, that's how their ecosystem will turn around.
I think it's pretty easy to see what the problem Microsoft faces is. We talk about branding and identity, and they say they want to focus on service games more, but at the end of the day, they've struggled with quantity AND quality across their entire portfolio this gen. A new interface and more powerful system that can deliver native-res games will be much appreciated, but their biggest problem at this point is very much their first party output. Counting only console-exclusive retail games above 85 on Metacritic. Left out remasters for the most part, but included TLOU and MCC because TLOU was still quite relevant and close to its initial release, and MCC because it's clearly not your typical remaster in terms of magnitude.
PS4 -
TLOU Remastered - 95
Persona 5 - 93
Uncharted 4 - 93
Bloodborne - 92
Horizon - 89
Nier - 88
Nioh - 88
Yakuza 0 - 85
Ratchet & Clank - 85
Xbox One -
Forza Horizon 3 - 91
Forza 6 - 87
Forza Horizon 2 - 86
Killer Instinct Season 3 - 86
Halo MCC - 85
The comparison is stark, with the Xbox One only having these 5 exclusives, 3 of which are Forza games, one fighting game which I'm not sure counts as a retail game, and a collection of old Halo games which has severe issues with multiplayer to this day.
Worth noting that even the Switch also already has one 90+ exclusive new game, which is Zelda at 97. Also Mario Kart, but that's a 2+ year old game at time of re-release.
The hardware stuff will be great, and we know it'll be great. The one biggest problem they're currently facing goes far beyond their 2013 woes, and announcing their current plans far in advance will actually help give confidence in them. They need their currently announced line-up to come out and be surprisingly great, while giving us a roadmap of what's to come that looks promising. If the present looks surprisingly bright after their lineup comes out, AND they have great hardware, AND the future looks bright, that's how their ecosystem will turn around.
VanCityGamer
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Gotta say...I agree. Sony's strategy of amazing games being released in the first half of the year (Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, Nioh, etc.) plus a huge number of varied exclusives announced for the next 2 years is the perfect way to do it. Great stuff is just around the corner (Uncharted Lost Legacy, God of War, Days Gone, Detroit, etc) and you also know there's greatness for years to come (Spider-Man, TLOU 2, Death Stranding).
VanCityGamer
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While I agree with you and think it's a good post, why would you limit to retail only? You then miss Ori and the Blind Forest on Xbox One which is an 88. Though Edith Finch's 88 on PS4 is also missing.
Gears of War 4 and Halo 5 are 84's so they miss the cutoff by one point but it really feels like they belong on the list for Xbox One (especially when something like Yakuza 0 and Ratchet remake squeak on there for PS4 with their 85's).
Yeah I left out digital-only releases as they tend to not be seen as as consequential, but I do agree that Ori is a great game. Even then, though, if I included digital-only games and below 85 MC games, the same situation would apply with PS4 just offering more and higher rated games. Hell, I probably missed some smaller retail games as well. I also find it quite telling that Halo 5 and Gears 4 didn't make the cutoff, as they're clearly the highest profile Xbox One exclusives, but they're both just below 85. I think a lot of people assume Gears and Halo aren't as big as they used to be because there's been too many, but I'd argue to the quality of the games is the biggest contributing factor. There's also marketing issues with Xbox all around, but that's for another day.
Where are yall getting this from?
ForkNetwork
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I thought the same thing a few hours ago!
Iron Galaxy can enter the stage, show off Joanna Dark, and immediately after follow up with a trailer for the new Perfect Dark.
Banjo-Kazooie
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My god we have entered selective arbitrary metacritic territory in here now lol
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They've already said that the new character is not gonna be at E3: https://twitter.com/KillerInstinct/status/864211977949765633
Now that doesn't rule out a potential Season 4; just saying it has nothing to do with this 3rd character.
This list is absolutely perfect, I too am really hoping SE comes and announces a Kingdom Hearts collection but I don't expect it. Would just be nice especially so they don't send 3 to die if it's still coming to Xbox. Also split screen support to Halo 5 with Scorpio, only because with Halo 6 it'll be the only game not playable in split screen. Again though I don't expect it, would just be nice.
Steelyuhas
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To the gamer is doesn't really matter, exclusive at the end of the day is an exclusive, but it's worth noting in terms of strategy for 1P for Sony and Microsoft that four of the games listed above for PS4 aren't published by Sony, which of course we know is a separate issue regarding the Xbox brand in Japan and with Japanese devs.
LukasTaves
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I don't think looking into scores tell the whole picture as there was a lot of backslash towards Xbone, and still is.
For instance, no logical reason for a game like Sunset Overdrive to not make it past 85 when Ratchet did. Or TLOU being so high while Gears Ultimate an objectively better remaster scoring that much lower. And it's more jarring when a game like U4 gets a 93 score and neither Sunset Overdrive nor GoW4 make it past that threshold.
Yeah I'm like excluding halo 5 and gears 4 because of 1 point when they are likely bigger than a few of those PS4 games is just silly. Like destiny has a 76 MC. Guess we should ignore it
DriftingSpirit
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Oh no, just nip it in the bud here. It is already ridiculous.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah wtf Sunset isn't >= 85? As long as we are picking at review scores, it's pretty hilarious that H5 is under the 85 threshold while MCC isn't considering MCC was an unmitigated train wreck.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Yep. Cherry picking just like any MC list
Also the fact that Forza horizon 2 was 86 where 3 was in the 90's and imo the jump wasn't that much bigger is crazy.
IMO there is true rhyme or reason to how games are scored. It really comes down to what mood reviewers are in, what gamers are asking for, and the reputation or perceived reputation of a title.
Some games that are filled with technical issues get good marks just because and other games that are well done and perform well get lower scores just because. Yes there are some objective indicators but I'm not always in on what the Metacritic or scores say.
Reviews are weird these days so i just trust my instinct and play what I like. At the end of the day I'm paying for it not the reviewers. What the point of buying a game with a great score and ultimately not like it.
Having played all of those games myself, I have to disagree with you and side with the MC scores on that one.
Hawk269
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I agree with some of the folks that are suggesting that MS needs to announce games that are +1 or even 2 years out. At this point in time, we all know that MS's 1st party lineup has been a little lackluster. While I enjoyed many of the games like Quantum Break, Halo Wars 2 to name a few, many did not think much of them and sales were not that great. While MS will now have the hardware advantage, they need to really back that up.
We all know that Forza 7, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves are coming, most, if not all of those are this year. MS needs and in particular Phil needs to come to E3 and make a statement like some suggest and provide a road map for the Xbox Brand. Using Scorpio as the catalyst for this, Phil needs to come out and say "I know that typically, we only want to show games coming out relatively soon, we felt that it is important that our fans know what we are working on for the next few years. While many of the games we show today are coming this year, we also want to give you, our fans a look at what we are planning for next year and beyond. While there will be other announcements in the future, we feel letting your know that your investment in Scorpio will be well supported with the best place to play 3rd party games and our new commitment to 1st party. With that said, let the games we show today do the talking and we hope you enjoy what we have in store for you in the coming year and beyond.".
I also think they need to have a high profile platformer that appeals to both older gamers and kids and I think a sequel to Banjo should be something they invest in. I also think they need a Zelda level type of game and Fable 4 would be something that could fill that void as well.
We all know that Forza 7, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves are coming, most, if not all of those are this year. MS needs and in particular Phil needs to come to E3 and make a statement like some suggest and provide a road map for the Xbox Brand. Using Scorpio as the catalyst for this, Phil needs to come out and say "I know that typically, we only want to show games coming out relatively soon, we felt that it is important that our fans know what we are working on for the next few years. While many of the games we show today are coming this year, we also want to give you, our fans a look at what we are planning for next year and beyond. While there will be other announcements in the future, we feel letting your know that your investment in Scorpio will be well supported with the best place to play 3rd party games and our new commitment to 1st party. With that said, let the games we show today do the talking and we hope you enjoy what we have in store for you in the coming year and beyond.".
I also think they need to have a high profile platformer that appeals to both older gamers and kids and I think a sequel to Banjo should be something they invest in. I also think they need a Zelda level type of game and Fable 4 would be something that could fill that void as well.
rokkerkory
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After getting scorpio console n price out of the way, surprise us with an unannounced game running in 4k thats not FM7! Need shock factor!!
I mean, place the cutoff where you want to. The fact is that data suggests that Microsoft is weak in terms of exclusive games in comparison to the competition. I believe that is a crucial element that they need to fix in order to directly compete with the competition. I picked 85 as the number since that is the industry standard of what is seen as a product of sufficient quality for the vast majority of AAA games. I didn't cherry pick at all. Including Halo because it's an important series despite not matching a criteria would be cherry picking. I'm just using available meaningful data to illustrate one of my points.
Microsoft want to pull PS4 gamers into their ecosystem, but currently lack all the necessary elements to do so. Marketing and strong differentiators on the gaming side are the most important elements they need to change.
Microsoft want to pull PS4 gamers into their ecosystem, but currently lack all the necessary elements to do so. Marketing and strong differentiators on the gaming side are the most important elements they need to change.
Welfare
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I'd rather not have another E3 2014 where MS scrambled for game announcements and showed off CG trailers for a large portion of the conference for games years away. I also don't care for games that far out because that just tells me you have nothing to release right now. If MS can have a 90 minute conference on things happening within a year, why not do that, instead of taking time away to announce projects years away when they can have their own time later?
Also, 85 on Metacritic, let alone any score on there means shit. Remember, New Vegas got an 84.
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