Super "NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread" II TURBO
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Only drawbacks with the brook converters is that sometimes PS4 updates break them. Brook usually has their own firmware update within a day or two to fix compatibility.
Don't get a cronusmax.
hikarutilmitt
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Just make sure it's set for GPK not PKG.
sixteen-bit
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Some quick first impressions.
Works with KI (w/ W10 creator's update) in 360/PC mode.
It's very light, somewhat hollow, but that was expected. Some might call it "cheap", but it feels sturdy enough for me.
The d-pad and buttons feel pretty good to me. They have a little bit of resistance/click so not too mushy. Closer to the stiffer side, but with decent tactile feedback. It felt better out of the gate than from when I tried the first revision of the PS4 pad with the locking d-pad rotation thing. It feels petty comfortable for using the d-pad and buttons in a standard grip. No real issues there. It should do the job nicely.
The only oddity is that the upper shoulder buttons are pretty uncomfortable to try and reach with your index finger. The way I naturally grip it, my fingers rest over the lower/bigger of the shoulder buttons, and it's awkward to raise your fingers up to reach them. They seem too high up to easily reach quickly. It's kind of how your fingers would rest naturally on an Xbox controller's triggers, but you can easily shift them up to the triggers, except here they're too high up so you can't shift them up as easily. It's almost like I have to un-grip the controller to move my fingers up to hit them. If I keep my grip and just move up my fingers, they hit their max about right between the buttons. It's bizarre. I don't know if finger length matters, as it seems more due to the placement of the buttons vertically and the angle it's designed to be gripped. It kinda takes away from the point of having the extra buttons. That could be a huge negative.
The lower shoulder buttons are also a bit louder and more clacky than the upper ones.
Also, the left side buttons are the LSB and RSB. There's no switch to change, between how the shoulder buttons are laid out, but instead, there's an assign button that lets you remap buttons around. I just haven't figured out how that works yet.
Overall, I'm a tad disappointed on the shoulder button thing, but If you mostly wanted the 3x3 layout on front and a shoulder button on each side, it should do the job, so I'm at least content with that.
EDIT: After a little bit more use I found if I hold the controller further up toward my fingertips, it less of an issue. Perhaps I was just letting it ride lower with the base resting in my palms initially like the PS4/XO pad does. It doesn't have long "handles" so I think it's not meant to drift down into you palms as much. Maybe I was better not posting immediately, but wanted to put something up in case anyone was waiting for it to come out
EDIT 2: The assign button feature is pretty nice. More flexible than a switch. You can assign one of the left buttons for example to work as an extra X, Y, A or B, which is nice to have on the side if there are buttons you might want to hold to charge while still being able to freely hit buttons with your right hand. You can't seem to program multiple button presses, though.
hikarutilmitt
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Too much leeway in feeling the diagonals or what? I know playing VF with an octagonal gate is REALLY weird and feels incredibly wrong for a while, but eventually you can kind of do it. It still doesn't compare to the awesome notches of a square, though.
It kind of makes me wish there were a quick and easy way to switch between octo and square for different games. I'd be fine with a little slider or something to swap, but opening it up, unscrewing, screwing, closing up just to go between games is not something I want to do.
It's just harder to get clean inputs: i go for 3, and I get 63 for example. so 33 is hard, and Akira's gbod is hard because the directional input is 34323646, generally going directly to 3 from anywhere but 2 or 6 is difficult.
on the flip side, from crouch moves are way way easier. so lau's 2_3P, kage's 2_6K, are basically idiot proof. you barely have to try and they work everytime.
Also evade dash cancels are easy as hell, and you can do them super fast. 266G. 866G. but crouch dash cancelling... much more difficult.
So it's too bad that's way more important.
hikarutilmitt
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That kind of what I meant by leeway with the diagonals. Inputs sort of bleeding in when trying to hit diagonals sucks a lot for games like VF, Tekken and the like because of the precision required (less so Tekken than VF, but still). What's ironic is that the 236P part of the GBOD would be the easiest part because of this.
Hopefully this is something that can be gotten used to and adjusting for, but the way the sticks work, to me, always seemed like it would be fairly imprecise.
I'd have to dig up the review I posted here about that controller, but I had the exact same issue with the shoulder buttons. It's actually why I recommended the other one that they apparently now have discontinued; on that pad my fingers naturally rested between the shoulder buttons rather than on one set or the other and I had no issues with them. With the newer symmetrical design my fingers naturally rested on the lower shoulder buttons and the higher ones weren't as comfortable to reach.
Solidus187
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Idk why but I just pre-ordered Hori's Tekken 7 stick for PS4. Watching a few videos of the SCV stick they put out last gen (which seems to be the same body) pushed me over.
This'll be my first non-vewlix layout stick, so hopefully it doesn't take too long to adjust to that or the Hayabusa parts. Pretty excited to try this thing out since I've been strictly vewlix+sanwa for the past 8 years.
This'll be my first non-vewlix layout stick, so hopefully it doesn't take too long to adjust to that or the Hayabusa parts. Pretty excited to try this thing out since I've been strictly vewlix+sanwa for the past 8 years.
Prepare for the Superior Layout
Hm, interesting. It's an annoyance, but my 360 SF Fightpads are falling apart, and there aren't too many good 6-button pad options out there, so I'm gonna keep it.
Solidus187
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Oh hey, one of your posts is actually what came up when I was searching for art mods of the SC5 stick to see what it could look like lol.
One question: do you remember which plexi you used for that? Was it 1/32" or 1/16"? Seems like I have to choose between bending/warping with the 1/32, or a more raised (probably sharp) edge with 1/16. Wondering which you went with and if you had any complaints.
I got the 1/32. It doesn't quite sit flush around the L3/R3 control panel, but it's flat around the edges.
Edit: Actually, Just took it out after not using it for a long time. It's definitely bending upward around the stick. It's not affecting anything, but it's noticeable.
This was one of the first sticks I bought plexi for, so I wasn't really familiar with what I was getting. I'd probably bet the thicker plexi if I were to do it again.
irfaanator
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there's a new driver past 1.66? Well at least in xrd the game auto detects my ps360+ as a legacy controller so idk. Ive never really had tot use the force ps3 mode unless im doing something on PC and then it usually works fine with the w/e the button press is.
No, I just installed 1.66. I haven't used it in literally years.
It works fine on PS3. Don't have a 360 handy to check.
It's not automatically recognizing it in Rev2, and the button combos aren't doing anything.
Weird...the legacy controller thing popped up really quick in Rev2, but then went away like it was disconnected. Can't get it to pop up again.
Any recommends for a fight stick that is more on the affordable cheap point of entry side.
I'm not that great at fighters and it seems like a big investment for an uncertain thing(whether I have the patience or ability to get better).
I recalled the alpha stick for 129.99 canadian, did that turn out any good?
I'm not that great at fighters and it seems like a big investment for an uncertain thing(whether I have the patience or ability to get better).
I recalled the alpha stick for 129.99 canadian, did that turn out any good?
irfaanator
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legacy controller on rev2 doesnt really work unless you have a ps4 pad/controller also connected. Or at least thats how it is from my experience
Nawp, rev2 is plug and play.
But even still, I have a dual shock connected. Probably just something with my ps360. It's pretty old and I haven't used it in forever.
I'll have to test it out on 360 tomorrow.
When did you place your order?
I wanna say on the 6th or 7th.
//ARCANUM
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The mad catz alpha is some hot garbage. Avoid at all costs.
Ahh, okay, thanks. So I can probably expect mine late this month. Hope they include a USB connector with mine too. Their site says they don't, but I'm pretty sure I see one in that picture.
Might not be the right thread to ask this is, but does anyone have any experience using a TE fight stick with MAME? My stick works perfectly fine with everything, but MAME just doesn't seem to recognize the stick. First time messing with MAME as want to try out a few SNK classics before maybe purchasing them (already got Last Blade 2 on PSN yesterday) and it's kind of been a headache so far.
irfaanator
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if its the mame rr emulator you gotta make sure you set the controls specifically for the game in the menu after you load it. like this. If that doesnt work I'm not sure what the issue is
Yeah I've been trying to do just that, but it simply doesn't recognize stick movements / buttons when setting up the controls.
TacosNSalsa
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Look up the Qanba Drone . At that price point I think that is the best one...
erotic grandpa
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Well, I've always wanted to customize a stick, and I finally did it.
Maybe should have gone with some less-busy art, but apart from an unintended crease or two I'm pretty happy with it.
Now I just need to figure out a good layout for Injustice 2.
Maybe should have gone with some less-busy art, but apart from an unintended crease or two I'm pretty happy with it.
Now I just need to figure out a good layout for Injustice 2.
The Hori Real Arcade Pro is about 150 USD, I would go with that.
Is that the Doraemon/Akira mash-up? Looking good!
sixteen-bit
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I would say avoid the Alpha. That price is ridiculous. Best entry level stick out now is the Qanba drone assuming you need both PS4 and PC use like the Madcatz Alpha
There really aren't any good "entry level" (sub $100) options out there huh? I would say try the Hori Fighting Stick Mini, but that's not really representative of a "real" arcade stick, and real arcade sticks are $150+ which is way too much to pay for a trial.
My first foray into Japanese style arcade sticks was the Hori Fighting Stick EX, and I still love it, despite the criticisms from the arcade stick elite. It's a great middle ground. Like a real arcade stick, but cheap. You get to literally feel it out, and then decide if you want to blow the big bucks on a HRAP, and you do IF sticks are your bag.
My first foray into Japanese style arcade sticks was the Hori Fighting Stick EX, and I still love it, despite the criticisms from the arcade stick elite. It's a great middle ground. Like a real arcade stick, but cheap. You get to literally feel it out, and then decide if you want to blow the big bucks on a HRAP, and you do IF sticks are your bag.
sixteen-bit
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Have you considered the entry-level Qanbas?
No. Are there any? I don't need any, since I'm neck deep in sticks already, but the dude was asking about entry level sticks, so is there a decent knock-off stick from Qanba he should check out?
DERP: I see you mentioned the Drone. Looks OK. I always had half an eye on the Carbon, but that looks out of stock at the moment. I guess the recommendation is keep an eye out for cheap Qanbas. That should be the 3rd thread title.
They're only sold in Europe, IIRC. Probably would take the cost up into HRAP-region once you start to factor in shipping and the like.
Ahh, didn't know that.
sixteen-bit
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I have a Carbon and it was great for the $50 I spent on it. Even thought the stock parts were decent, I ended up throwing some spare Sanwa parts after the warranty expired. It's my go-to knockaround stick since I mostly play on PC these days (worth noting there's no built-in support for gen 8 consoles. It will work on PS3 and Android, but I only really use it on PC).
GinoFelino
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Oooooh how is it how is it
Hellshingu
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Got mine in a few hours ago. Won't be able to play on it until I get home later today.
GinoFelino
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Holy shit! Any other notable differences from the HRAP 4 ?
Got mine in a few hours ago. Won't be able to play on it until I get home later today.
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