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[commedieu]

Here's the challenge... where I have trouble.

Do we ever want to allow murderers to live normal lives? To be redeemed, or absolved in any way of their crime? Because if not, why not just keep them in prison forever? Why not just kill them? This woman has kids, she takes them to school and wants to be a part of their lives, like a lot of mothers do.

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Should that not be allowed? I guess I might be in the extreme here, but I believe very very strongly in a rehabilitation focused criminal justice system. One where once you've 'done your time', have had therapy, and are allowed and encouraged to reintegrate into society and do good, redeeming things.

I agree, for 99.9% of the cases where just a murder happened and a person could have made a mistake, been under a spell of drugs, was young, and is now truly repentant for their actions.

This is the exception to that rule, I'd say. She served her time, but that doesn't mean that she should be allowed access to certain things, like weapons or the children of others without parents agreeing. Their rights, as law abiding citizens, have more priority over hers. In this specific instance.

Because of the circumstances of the crime. All murder isn't equal. I support rehabilitation and reintegration into society, but I understand and support desire for limitations. For certain cases.

 

[How About No]

O_O

Jesus fuck

 

[jeenaudx]

Right of parents to have kids in a safe environment with trustworthy adults.
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How do you know if any adult is trustworthy?

 

[Slayven]

How do you know if any adult is trustworthy?

I give the benefit of doubt to the ones that don't kill people

 

[Kinitari]

Why do you ignore the fact that's been stated over and over. She is NOT rehabilitated. She is free because she was offered a plea deal before it was found out she was a serial killer herself.

Prison psychologists here have said OVER and OVER that she is not repentant, and is extremely dangerous and will probably kill again.

And yet you fucking ignore this. Her first boyfriend out of prison was a fucking murderer too. She was looking for an accomplice again!

I don't know where any of that was said, all I caught were people saying that she was a psychopath, and that means nothing to me.

Can you point me to links talking about psychologists saying she's likely to kill again?

 

[Boke1879]

I give the benefit of doubt to the ones that don't kill people

And certainly to have the common sense not to let this women be around kids.

 

[blackflag]

Here's the challenge... where I have trouble.

Do we ever want to allow murderers to live normal lives? To be redeemed, or absolved in any way of their crime? Because if not, why not just keep them in prison forever? Why not just kill them? This woman has kids, she takes them to school and wants to be a part of their lives, like a lot of mothers do.

...

Should that not be allowed? I guess I might be in the extreme here, but I believe very very strongly in a rehabilitation focused criminal justice system. One where once you've 'done your time', have had therapy, and are allowed and encouraged to reintegrate into society and do good, redeeming things.

There's mistakes, and then there is pure evil. This was pure evil and she should have never gotten out.

 

[Madness]

How do you know if any adult is trustworthy?

Man, this has to be trolling. Never seen this kind of caping for a fucking serial rapist/serial killer who killed little girls including her own sister. But hey, how do you know Principal Magoo isn't a terrorist, or that lunchlady isn't a sociopath herself right ...

 

[Dot-N-Run]

Her case is probably one of the biggest examples of the shortcomings of the Canadian legal system. I can't think of a single person more despised and reviled across the country. How on earth the school thought asking for her to volunteer was a good idea is a mystery to me.

 

[Slayven]

I don't know where any of that was said, all I caught were people saying that she was a psychopath, and that means nothing to me.

Can you point me to links talking about psychologists saying she's likely to kill again?

Then speaking with such authority?

And certainly to have the common sense not to let this women be around kids.

Not a perfect system but hasn't failed me yet

 

[vordhosbn]

People for as long as I can remember don't take female threats seriously, whether it's murder or rape.

 

[Shoeless]

I'm amazed the school was okay with this. She must have really charmed the pants off somebody for them to take the risk of approving this.

 

[Dynomutt]

Between this crazy bitch, the crazy fucking teacher inviting her there and the fucking school trying to play it off as no big deal...

Canada needs to get that shit straightened out - this is a fucking travesty.

There is such thing as being too chill. This is one of them. Come one on CA...

 

[Kinitari]

Right of parents to have kids in a safe environment with trustworthy adults.
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I meant it in a legal sense - I don't know how to map this statement to any laws that are not being fulfilled.

Classic Kintari, he also skip over the facts and debates hypocriticals

What facts have I skipped over? I do that? Since where?

Then speaking with such authority?

What does that mean? What authority am I using here?

 

[yyzjohn]

A Karla Homolka defense force, now I've seen it all.

 

[Talonluck]

She's a special case for sure, personally she got away with what she did and shouldn't be near a school.

I'm for believing in rehabilitation but certain steps should have been done for the other teachers and parents. Notifying teachers and parents that she wants to volunteer, has kids going there, and give options to people who aren't comfortable. I think this should be the standard for any felon.

The school is crazy for thinking this was a good idea and how they're behaving to the concerned parents.

 

[F0rneus]

I don't know where any of that was said, all I caught were people saying that she was a psychopath, and that means nothing to me.

Can you point me to links talking about psychologists saying she's likely to kill again?

Did you fucking read anything about this woman in this topic? Or are you just trolling?

She selected her own sister to be raped and murdered. Then raped a teenage girl with her husband, tortured her, filmed her husband piss and shit on her before cutting her into pieces. Then did that all over again.

Paul Bernardo himself said she was worse than him. She got away with it because they found the snuff shit they filmed themselves doing AFTER she lied to investigators that she was just an unwilling victim. Psychologists here have said over and over and that's she's a brutal psychopath that's a threat to everyone, but because of the deal they gave her before they knew she was a killer herself, nothing could be done.

If you think Homolka is rehabilitated, you are a fool that's being played just like these investigators were.

I live here. This is something that every Canadian knows. You are coming off as one ignorant mofo that just doesn't want to admit his point is wrong.

 

[Sapiens]

Serial killers kill within their own racial groups usually. Guessing she wants to hunt again. Wasn't she in the Carribean?

You joking, but she's probably thought about it.

 

[Strike]

You'd think she would've just stayed in hiding for the rest of her life considering how lucky she was to have gotten such a light sentence. Didn't she change her name too?

 

[Johndoey]

How do you know if any adult is trustworthy?

The woman let her sister get raped you shitheel. You can't see the issue? Can't see why maybe she doesn't get an initial pass?

 

[entremet]

I guess it being a private school circumvents any background screening laws?

Violent felon, even former ones, are usually prohibited from working with children in most professional capacities.

 

[azyless]

This is the exception to that rule, I'd say. She served her time, but that doesn't mean that she should be allowed access to certain things, like weapons or the children of others without parents agreeing. Their rights, as law abiding citizens, have more priority over hers. In this specific instance.

She didn't even do that, really. Seems like she positioned herself as an accomplice and got a deal for that, before further evidence was discovered.

 

[Vital Tundra]

If she is rehabilitated, and the law says she is free, I have no issue with her being apart of society. HOWEVER. Why the fuck is she allowed near children at all? She should be banned from parks and school zones indefinitely. And telling the concerned parents to find another school? Fuck off!

 

[Fou-Lu]

My dad went to an SDA school here in Canada. He said it was absolutely awful, implied the male teachers sexually abused the female students, and taught next to nothing about anything except farming, so I am not even surprised.

 

[F0rneus]

You joking, but she's probably thought about it.

Sadly I'm not.

If she is rehabilitated, and the law says she is free, I have no issue with her being apart of society. HOWEVER. Why the fuck is she allowed near children at all? She should be banned from parks and school zones indefinitely. And telling the concerned parents to find another school? Fuck off!

Read my post up there

 

[Kinitari]

Did you fucking read anything about this woman in this topic? Or are you just trolling?
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I live in Canada too and I know the crime she committed, what is it that I'm saying that's confusing you?

 

[Hypemaster]

No parent should be okay with this

 

[F0rneus]

I live in Canada too and I know the crime she committed, what is it that I'm saying that's confusing you?

Alright you trolling. Got it. Slayven is right. You don't even argue. You just babble.

 

[jeenaudx]

The woman let her sister get raped you shitheel. You can't see the issue? Can't see why maybe she doesn't get an initial pass?

I know I never said anything about her...

 

[Slayven]

I live in Canada too and I know the crime she committed, what is it that I'm saying that's confusing you?

She commited crimeS, as in several. Against children

You are literally advocating for a predator of children to have access to children.

 

[Madness]

I don't know where any of that was said, all I caught were people saying that she was a psychopath, and that means nothing to me.

Can you point me to links talking about psychologists saying she's likely to kill again?

This is irrelevant. The point is to never let them be in a position to kill or rape children again. Notice how violent felons are prevented from owning firearms? Or how convicted sex offenders and pedophiles are not allowed to be near parks or schools or where children are present? Or drunk drivers/vehicular manslaughter offenders are prohibited from driving cars, drinking alcohol. It is mitigating risk.

Why the fuck, does a serial rapist/serial killer who murdered children, including her own younger sister, who is only free because the prosecutor was a moron who cut a quick deal before the full evidence was shown, get to volunteer in a school with kids.

 

[Kinitari]

Alright you trolling. Got it. Slayven is right. You don't even argue. You just babble.

I mean... I even asked you for a link... I'm here trying to have a conversation, are you just looking for a rubber stamp? What's with these weird character assassinations

 

[Vital Tundra]

Sadly I'm not.



Read my post up there

Oh shit, my bad. Nah keep her away from every fucking one. Disgusting filth right there.

 

[Shoeless]

I guess it being a private school circumvents any background screening laws?

Violent felon, even former ones, are usually prohibited from working with children in most professional capacities.

Technically, you're right. If you're applying for a job or volunteering in areas deemed "vulnerable sectors" such as the elderly, or minors, then yeah, a screening is legally required in order to see if any relevant convictions come up. Even if you've been pardoned for a crime, if it was a crime involving a minor like rape or murder, that pardoned conviction wouldn't come up if you were applying for something like working in a car dealership, but it would come up as a red flag if you were trying to volunteer at a daycare.

What I'm not sure is whether or not the people doing the hiring have any legal obligation to follow through on it, or whether they can be charged for ignoring the red flag if it comes up in a background check. In the case of someone applying for a job a fast food restaurant who comes up with a charge of theft, it's not illegal for that manager to say "Y'know what, I'll trust you and take a chance on you."

Not sure what the legal outcome is for something like this, though.

 

[Slayven]

Everybody got the same Google, i put in "Karla Homolka" and clicked the wiki and found all i needed to know

 

[RedHill]

I don't care how much "rehabilitation" treatment this woman has received. She raped and murdered and made snuff films. She doesn't deserve a normal life nor any life.

 

[F0rneus]

I mean... I even asked you for a link... I'm here trying to have a conversation, are you just looking for a rubber stamp? What's with these weird character assassinations

You are not trying to have a conversation. You know this case was huge in Ontario and Quebec. You know I am referring to television material no one put online from Quebec TV. You are one disingenuous person. I am done with you.

You talk of rehabilitation, while always ignoring the real reason this woman is out of prison. You don't want to discuss. You just want to throw shit around.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Yeah, I'm entirely aware of her crime - but I'm also aware the end goal of the criminal justice system is to reintegrate all criminals back into society.

That's *an* end goal, yes. But not the only one. Not even the primary one.

 

[reckless]

That's pretty fucking insane... And the schools response is to kick people out that complain. What the hell.

 

[verboten84]

You can't rehabilitate sociopaths.

Why are there always gaffers trying to pull the rehabilitation card with these types?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Yeah..no. Fuck no..

 

[commedieu]

I mean... I even asked you for a link... I'm here trying to have a conversation, are you just looking for a rubber stamp? What's with these weird character assassinations

Can't you just Google... at this point? you came in with a valid point about rehabilitation..but it turns out that she bounced early with a plea deal. I didn't know that myself. But still responded to you above.

It's OK to just admit "lol whoops" and hit up Google instead of pretending people are out to get you. Clearly this is a heated topic. So before pleading for humanity be applied to this woman because she is rehabilitated, you have to correct the argument to reflect her plea deal, as well as other odious details.

You're arguing an error in understanding, and doubling down. She isn't an example of a viable rehabilitation.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Here's the challenge... where I have trouble.

Do we ever want to allow murderers to live normal lives?

No.

To be redeemed, or absolved in any way of their crime?

No.

Because if not, why not just keep them in prison forever?

That would be fine.

Why not just kill them?

I mean if they're guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt I have no problem with the death penalty. The only reason I oppose it is because we know people are executed for crimes they are often later proven innocent of.

This woman has kids, she takes them to school and wants to be a part of their lives, like a lot of mothers do.

So?

She probably should have never been given the chance to be a mother. Who the fuck impregnated that monster anyway? What the hell was that guy thinking? Neither one should be allowed near children including their own.

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Should that not be allowed? I guess I might be in the extreme here, but I believe very very strongly in a rehabilitation focused criminal justice system. One where once you've 'done your time', have had therapy, and are allowed and encouraged to reintegrate into society and do good, redeeming things.

Some things are irredeemable.

 

[Kinitari]

You are not trying to have a conversation. You know this case was huge in Ontario and Quebec. You know I am referring to television material no one put online from Quebec TV. You are one disingenuous person. I am done with you.

You talk of rehabilitation, while always ignoring the real reason this woman is out of prison. You don't want to discuss. You just want to throw shit around.

I ignored through real reason? Someone mentioned it above and I replied to it, I said 'oh I think I remember something about that, I wonder if she's being monitored?' - was there a particular response you've been looking for?

 

[D i Z]

This shit doesn't make sense anymore.

 

[levious]

Damn, you urinate publicly in some states in the US and you can't near schools for 25 years.

 

[CreeperBlocks]

Parents who criticized Karla Homolka say Greaves Academy asked them to leave

What the fuck is that school doing? She's one of the worst serial killers in Canadian history

 

[Psychoward]

This thread holy fucking shit, what are some of y'all doing.

 

[Loudninja]

My lord. :/

 

[Boke1879]

Damn, you urinate publicly in some states in the US and you can't near schools for 25 years.

Right and she's only out based on essentially a technicality. She made a plea deal before all the evidence was shown.