Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School

Silexx said:
This is where I'm at too. I think any risk of her re-offending is mitigated by the fact that the Canadian judicial system would come after her so hard and fast that she has no hope of squirming her way out of it. It's certainly not an ideal way of trying to prevent her recidivism, but this where we're at, right now.
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After reading about what she did, the Canadian judicial system sounds like a joke.
 
F0rneus said:
So for those of you joining us.

Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.

Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.

While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.

Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.
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HAving never known the details this is horrifying, and I think it's worth quoting for another page.
This seems really fucked up and like there should be some mechanism for the state to be able to step in here.
 
The Albatross said:
HAving never known the details this is horrifying, and I think it's worth quoting for another page.
This seems really fucked up and like there should be some mechanism for the state to be able to step in here.
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In a democratic society? Not really. It is a gross injustice that she was able to get off with only manslaughter, but I don't want to see legislative action taken to address the margins, because it rarely ever stops there and that's how even more injustice gets carried out.

I am, of course, open minded and can admit that there may be a state-based solution to address this without risking wider-spread unintended consequences that I've not yet heard.
 
Silexx said:
I think you're putting words in my mouth here. I also happen to come from the same educational background as you, so no need to flash your credentials at me, thanks.

I never said I was ok with her being around children, I've previously said that she deserves to be serving a life sentence, but that's not how events played out. She pretty much got away with murder and is now walking free. My point was solely that, at the end of the day, the decision about her being in any vicinity of the school comes down to the school itself, which they've decided to allow. It is a boneheaded decision, in my opinion, but it's their decision to take.

I'm not here proclaiming that she is fully rehabilitated and is at 0 risk to re-offend, but I also think that she is most likely not to commit any horrific act like she did with Bernardo given the immense scrutiny she is now under and likely not going to be able to get away with the plea deal she got before in today's world.
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If you are from the ssme background you would know the point of preventing her from being around girls and children is to PREVENT the chance of it happening. Not take her at her word or on the notion that she would be too scared because she won't get a plea deal this time. She may never commit even a traffic infraction again in her life, it doesn't mean she didn't rape, torture and then participate in the murder of 3 underage girls. That alone means she doesn't get the privilege to decide whether she will reoffend. And I honestly believe were this not a woman, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But just like adult female sex offenders get off with pitiful sentences when they rape or molest underage boys, Karla is allowed to have kids of her own, to be a fucking PAC parent around other people's children again because of a dumb fuck prosecutor who wanted to make a name for himself and try and get the Bernardo case wrapped up quick.
 
Madness said:
If you are from the ssme background you would know the point of preventing her from being around girls and children is to PREVENT the chance of it happening. Not take her at her word or on the notion that she would be too scared because she won't get a plea deal this time. She may never commit even a traffic infraction again in her life, it doesn't mean she didn't rape, torture and then participate in the murder of 3 underage girls. That alone means she doesn't get the privilege to decide whether she will reoffend. And I honestly believe were this not a woman, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But just like adult female sex offenders get off with pitiful sentences when they rape or molest underage boys, Karla is allowed to have kids of her own, to be a fucking PAC parent around other people's children again because of a dumb fuck prosecutor who wanted to make a name for himself and try and get the Bernardo case wrapped up quick.
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Ok, I'm honestly not seeing what we're disagreeing about here.
 
SapientWolf said:
After reading about what she did, the Canadian judicial system sounds like a joke.
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If you start digging for specific cases, you can make every legal system sound like a joke. This case was victim of some unfortunate circumstances. I don't think that the prosecution is necessarily at fault either, based on the info they had at the time.

Honestly, the way Bernardo was handled by police in relation to his rape career AND the death of Homolka's sister is the real legal tragedy. They had multiple chances to catch him before things progressed to serial killing. I would like to hope things would have been different if this stuff was taking place now instead of 25-30 years ago.
 
Fried Food said:
Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.
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I really can't deal with y'all in this thread.

"She paid her debt to society!"... for the crimes we knew about at the time. When did common sense go out the window?
 
Silexx said:
So the school finally came to their senses. I'm just aghast that it took this level of scrutiny to get them to implement a 'No Murderers Allowed' rule.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/karla-homolka-no-longer-able-to-volunteer-at-montreal-elementary-school-after-rules-changed
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Only because of the public backlash. How stupid were the people in charge to allow this to begin with? At least they've done the right thing now but it sure doesn't put much faith in their decision making abilities.
 
Madness said:
You want to risk your daughter's well-being and life on the fact you don't think Karla will re-offend? There is a reason that people who commit vehicular manslaughter are not allowed to be behind the wheel of another vehicle for 10+ years, maybe the rest of their lives. Why violent felons are not allowed firearms, why convicted pedophiles (and Karla Homolka IS a pedophile, they targeted underage tween girls) are not allowed near parks, schools or children is to mitigate risk to the rest of us.

The fact the judicial system would come down on hard means jackshit. She shouldn't be allowed near schools, kids, parks or children, period. She doesn't deserve the right to be around children than children have the right not to be around a serial killer. The school didn't even tell parents and then told them they would have to take their kids elsewhere when they complained.

I think you are so far removed from these sociopaths you don't see their tricks or see how dangerous they still are. I studied Criminology 5 years as my major, minor in Psychology, worked with violent offenders for 2+ years doing restorative justice bullshit I was fed thinking they would change, worked with at-risk youth. Violent offenders rarely change, and serial killers/serial rapists/convicted pedophiles who acted on their behaviours are almost certain not to. Her behavior in prison, her babe in the woods routine when she was just as twisted as Paul Bernardo and willing to commit these crimes shows she isn't innocent.
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I had to google this woman... and after I did, I agree with every word of this post.
 
It isn't even a matter of paying her debt to society, it's a matter that, as described, short of some new discoveries in the "changing people's behavior" department, you can never be sure she won't do it again, because she's not a normal person. You can't rehabilitate "brain doesn't work the same as everyone else". You can't rehabilitate being a tiger or a shark.
 
Madness said:
Her behavior in prison, her babe in the woods routine when she was just as twisted as Paul Bernardo and willing to commit these crimes shows she isn't innocent.
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I think she's more twisted than Paul. He never killed anyone till she came into the picture, and he wanted to let all 3 of them go. It was her idea to kill them. She literally wanted to have kids just so she could sacrifice them to him! If anyone can be rehabilitated it's him, he actually seems to show a bit of remorse. He should be out while she should be the one doing life without parole. So fucked up
 
cpp_is_king said:
I think she's more twisted than Paul. He never killed anyone till she came into the picture, and he wanted to let all 3 of them go. It was her idea to kill them. She literally wanted to have kids just so she could sacrifice them to him! If anyone can be rehabilitated it's him, he actually seems to show a bit of remorse. He should be out while she should be the one doing life without parole. So fucked up
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I mean, I kinda get the sentiment you're getting at, but I don't think Bernardo should ever be let out.
 
I always joked about how bad it would be for a kid to discover their parents did porn, or something equally embarrassing. But holy shit, imagine her kids reading the description of the murders that people posted here... I'd be scarred for life.
 
Silexx said:
So the school finally came to their senses. I'm just aghast that it took this level of scrutiny to get them to implement a 'No Murderers Allowed' rule.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/karla-homolka-no-longer-able-to-volunteer-at-montreal-elementary-school-after-rules-changed
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At least it happened, that's the important thing. Definitely a case of better-late-than-never in this instance. I guess someone in charge finally decided the PR nightmare wasn't worth "taking a stand."
 
Silexx said:
So the school finally came to their senses. I'm just aghast that it took this level of scrutiny to get them to implement a 'No Murderers Allowed' rule.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/karla-homolka-no-longer-able-to-volunteer-at-montreal-elementary-school-after-rules-changed
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I dont like that it makes specific reference to "on school grounds". So she could still volunteer, for a field trip or any school activity that didn't take place at the school itself.
At this point, those parents told to find new schools in the fall should happily do so. This school is toxic
 
BunnyBear said:
I read the history of her crimes. Holy fuck. Some of the most sadistic and heartless killings I've come across.

Where did that into about her rubbing the rose and putting it in the coffin come from?

I find it hard to believe she has been rehabilitated.
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Knock yourself out.

This woman's evil knows no bounds. This is IMO, the most shameful defense force of GAF history.
 
BunnyBear said:
It's indefensible. The risk she still poses to the public (and her own fucking kids!) must be in question. Someone that sadistic and ruthless doesn't get rehabilitated after 12 years in prison.
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No man you don't get it. It's the school's decision yo! Why you so judgemental? Why would a woman who raped and tortured a 14 years old girl, and filmed her husband piss and shit on this blindfolded teenage girl, which they forced to hug a teddy bear NOT be allowed near kids? Sure they cut her to pieces but man....She's probably safe!

Be modern man! She's fucking safe!
 
Karla Homolka said:
You know, I loved it. I didn't give you my virginity so I gave you Tammy's. I love you enough to do that. I wish we had four kids, Paul."

"So you could fuck each one of them. How does the king like that?"
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Why haven't these kids been taken away from her?
 
F0rneus said:
No man you don't get it. It's the school's decision yo! Why you so judgemental? Why would a woman who raped and tortured a 14 years old girl, and filmed her husband piss and shit on this blindfolded teenage girl, which they forced to hug a teddy bear NOT be allowed near kids? Sure they cut her to pieces but man....She's probably safe!

Be modern man! She's fucking safe!
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The way you have carried on in this thread is embarrassing. I mostly agree with you on everything but you have not carried yourself well.
 
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