TheChewyWaffles
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The lack of solo movies for Aquaman and Flash prior to JL sticks out like a sore thumb during JL trailers. They're practically introducing these guys Suicide Squad-style during the trailer, and it's really embarrassing.
Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]
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The lack of solo movies for Aquaman and Flash prior to JL sticks out like a sore thumb during JL trailers. They're practically introducing these guys Suicide Squad-style during the trailer, and it's really embarrassing.
elrechazado
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The movie ends with her literally demonstrating that she's not just "saying fuck it and letting it happen". Did you fall asleep for the last 20 minutes?
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Watchmen ain't perfect. It isn't even great. But it is good. It has flaws, but it also has some very high highs.
Wonder Woman was some middle-of-the-road shit that I'll forget entirely by next month, that is for some reason being hailed as something amazing for clearing the bars set by MoS, BvS and Suicide Squad. It started out decently enough, but everything after the first half-hour was dullsville.
BronsonLee
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The reason is because people like it you goon!
Nah WW is a good movie. Like it's damn good. Definitely on the level of Cap 1 and Iron man.
While YOU may forget it in a month this movie is already resonating with lots of people.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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0ptimusPayne
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Just came back from date night, and I though the movie was good but nothing amazing. Gal did an awesome job with a couple rough spots, and Ive always liked Pine. Seeing Professor Lupin be revealed as the true baddy was cheesy af and did nothing for me at all. Its a good watch, but its nothing like MCU captain America 2/3 tier but more like 1 for sure..
firehawk12
Subete no aware
She says humans are good and evil and she'll just let people sort their shit out rather than try to interfere. Which, I presume, explains why she wasn't around until Batman vs Superman.
Logan is amazing, and the stakes are so much higher because it's so personal. Somehow, saving one girl has more impact than stopping WW1.
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Oh, I guess one other nitpick I have is the whole "derp let's try on some dresses" scene really just felt anachronistic. Like, she's a woman, so we have to have a scene where she tries on dresses because that's just what you do. At least they avoided male gaze-ish fanservice shots.
elrechazado
Banned
Except the whole scene where she flies out into the city to fight evil in the end, demonstrating her resolve to help humanity? The trying on dresses was a send up of other movies, because she's this fish out of water badass who won't put away her sword. I am more convinced now that you were sleeping during parts of the movie.
That ending scene is set after Batman v Superman during present day, after Supermans sacrifice and Batmans offer for them to work together.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
On this we can agree.
BronsonLee
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Her clothes stood out because it's her damn costume so they had to get her some normie shit
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Right. She literally waits 80+ years before deciding to come back?
But she decided the original Zod fight from the Man of Steel was okay to ignore?
I mean, I get it. It's like how I think Marvel movies are stupid because Iron Man isn't in all of them. Comic book movies are just separate from each other except when they're not. But the justification for her non-interference is just... odd. She just accepts that Ares wasn't responsible for humanity's failings and then lets it go until a giant alien blob monster shows up in New York.
Imagine if it was a male hero. Would you have a scene where you're supposed to laugh at a guy trying on suits?
Statement still stands.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
They don't say this. In the comics its referenced as being in the pacific and in the movie it's not. They get brought to London in 1 night by a local boat so it's near the UK and not in the Mediterranean. This makes sense because Steve was off to bring back the notebook to London and then was shot down.
elrechazado
Banned
Where is it stated she hadn't helped humanity in the last 100 years? She says in bvs she's fought things from other world's, so she's clearly been protecting earth.
BronsonLee
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TheTylerDurden
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"I walked away from mankind 100 years ago"
Killed things from other worlds could be a reference to Ares. We don't know.
elrechazado
Banned
Impossible per the airplane comment I noted.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I haven't seen it, so I guess I just have to assume it has the same connotations.
I mean, at least they don't have a scene where she makes jokes about high heels I guess.
Nope, we don't. It's crafted the way it is for a reason.
Maybe. The film subverts many tropes and has some different takes on normal cliches. That it doesn't have a scene where they each profess their love to each other is telling IMO.
A kiss and sex also don't have to be capital L love.
elrechazado
Banned
Well, she did trip on her heels during that scene
BronsonLee
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TheTylerDurden
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MisterHero
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I really enjoyed the movie's committal to the serious tone, balanced with a few jokes here and there. I liked how seriously they treated Themyscira, and the artistry during the story of the gods. It was truly a fantastical movie.
Ares was kind of a let down. I wish he'd use his power of influencing people in his battle with WW rather than copying Magneto.
There's always WW2 though!
Ares was kind of a let down. I wish he'd use his power of influencing people in his battle with WW rather than copying Magneto.
There's always WW2 though!
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I think my favorite joke of the whole movie is Etta's "Oh of course, give her glasses and she's suddenly not the most beautiful woman you've ever seen."
The tone fits in nicely with MoS and BvS. There's more levity but it's never at the expense of the drama or action, unlike your average marvel joint.
Doesn't her combat gear also have high heels? If so, why would she trip on the fashion heels if she's used to combat heels?
Legend of Aims
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Comes back to the supes should have given Diana the damn spear.I know but it still hurt.
WB needs to ditch Snyder and give Patty Jenkins reigns to the DCEU. Wonder Woman is better than any non-Nolan DC movie by several orders of magnitude. It even retroactively makes Wonder Woman's fight against Doomsday pretty hype.
But yea. I just got back from my 2nd viewing just a bit ago. It was packed yet again.
Surprisingly my biggest complaint was how long the movie was after my first viewing. It really didn't feel that long this time. Maybe because I knew what was coming.
Now I've said this before, but I'm a fucking sap when it comes to anything that's supposed to be sad. So of course the last like 20 minutes the tears start rolling down my face.
1st when Diana thinks she kills Ares and is wondering why the war isn't over. Steve pretty much explaining to her that maybe people just aren't good and her reaction being emotionally crushed at that.
Next is when Steve dies and she just loses it. But she stops herself and brings herself back from the brink with her little monologue. And then her monologue at the end of the movie. IDK it just kinda hit me because it's true I guess.
I also think this is something people wanted out of MoS or any Superman really. I mean when it all comes down to it. Diana shows compassion to humans and stopped herself from damning us all. I feel that's something that Cavill's Superman is lacking. He loves humans, but he's too conflicted on his role in the world.
This movie is hitting a cord first off because is features and empowering characters on screen kicking ass, being humorous, angry, compassionate and curious. But on a deeper level. Her commentary on man and how she runs head first willing to help without thinking gives you hope.
Sorry if this is too long or if it feels like I kinda rambled on.
Surprisingly my biggest complaint was how long the movie was after my first viewing. It really didn't feel that long this time. Maybe because I knew what was coming.
Now I've said this before, but I'm a fucking sap when it comes to anything that's supposed to be sad. So of course the last like 20 minutes the tears start rolling down my face.
1st when Diana thinks she kills Ares and is wondering why the war isn't over. Steve pretty much explaining to her that maybe people just aren't good and her reaction being emotionally crushed at that.
Next is when Steve dies and she just loses it. But she stops herself and brings herself back from the brink with her little monologue. And then her monologue at the end of the movie. IDK it just kinda hit me because it's true I guess.
I also think this is something people wanted out of MoS or any Superman really. I mean when it all comes down to it. Diana shows compassion to humans and stopped herself from damning us all. I feel that's something that Cavill's Superman is lacking. He loves humans, but he's too conflicted on his role in the world.
This movie is hitting a cord first off because is features and empowering characters on screen kicking ass, being humorous, angry, compassionate and curious. But on a deeper level. Her commentary on man and how she runs head first willing to help without thinking gives you hope.
Sorry if this is too long or if it feels like I kinda rambled on.
BronsonLee
Member
Guys don't make passes at girls wearing glasses*
*except when they're Wonder Woman
TheChewyWaffles
Member
I thought that was a reference to fighting or something.
TheTylerDurden
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Nor are words needed to see the obvious. Not every scene telegraphs the message with words. Some of the most effective language is that when no words are spoken at all.
In fact, I don't think Diana herself realized her feelings for him right up until the end.
TheTylerDurden
Member
I got a little bit sniffly at certain points in the movie. Diana saying goodbye to her mother, a lot of parts towards the end, etc. Even on my own second viewing, which kind of surprised me because I also knew these things were coming.
Movies that move me in this way stay with me for a good long time.
Not at all, you get it.
methane47
Member
Did she actually say goodbye though? If i recall correctly, the mom gives a touching speech... and Diana just walks away without saying anything.
TheTylerDurden
Member
Her mother said she could never return.
That's pretty much goodbye. So I mean it was a "goodbye scene" not necessarily goodbye in words.
Every movie with a Tarzan-like character going to the big city has a scene like that.
Just want to make a slight comment about some saying it's odd that Diana comes back in BvS after being gone.
Well lets be real. This wasn't thought of when MoS came out. That's just the likely explanation. Not only that but whatever they decide to do for a sequel could involve her "leaving" the world of man and doing some shit that involved the fantastical side of things. We'll return to Themiscyra.
Also. Ya gotta realize. Superman and Diana are considered Gods. Does Superman get involved in every single war? If they wanted they could stop every human conflict if they wanted. But in that sense you're removing a lot of choice from humans, and I think for better or worse they understand you gotta let them do it on their own. They can serve to be a beacon of hope etc.
Well lets be real. This wasn't thought of when MoS came out. That's just the likely explanation. Not only that but whatever they decide to do for a sequel could involve her "leaving" the world of man and doing some shit that involved the fantastical side of things. We'll return to Themiscyra.
Also. Ya gotta realize. Superman and Diana are considered Gods. Does Superman get involved in every single war? If they wanted they could stop every human conflict if they wanted. But in that sense you're removing a lot of choice from humans, and I think for better or worse they understand you gotta let them do it on their own. They can serve to be a beacon of hope etc.
0ptimusPayne
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Lmao spot on. Shit was straight cheese
brandonh83
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Subpar Spatula
Banned
Good thing this movie is 100% grounded in reality.
Discotheque
Banned
Iron Man gets underappreciated on this forum too often and many of the other middling mcu movies are overvalued. Like I get that they both take place in a real war hence the comparisons, but this incorporated WW1 much better than Cap did with WW2. you could appreciate the impact she makes on the frontlines in this one, whereas in there it felt more like window dressing to propel the plot.
this movie isn't amazing or anything. but in terms of character portrayal its the most earnest superhero i've seen since Raimi's Spiderman and the Donner Superman long before that. So it really helped circumvent the flaws it had just on how damn likeable Gal was imo. also the action was cool.
Logan is by and large a better movie and the best of its genre since TDK too. But this was a nice change of pace from all the sarcastic and morally conflicted heroes we've gotten for so long.
this movie isn't amazing or anything. but in terms of character portrayal its the most earnest superhero i've seen since Raimi's Spiderman and the Donner Superman long before that. So it really helped circumvent the flaws it had just on how damn likeable Gal was imo. also the action was cool.
Logan is by and large a better movie and the best of its genre since TDK too. But this was a nice change of pace from all the sarcastic and morally conflicted heroes we've gotten for so long.
To be fair the invasian in MoS took like 1 day and very quickly Supes gave himself to Zod so it seemed all was well until the Metropolis terraforming and then Supes dealt with it within a couple of hours. Wonder woman seems to be based in France so there was no way to help.
In BvS she was basically in Gotham when Doomsday attacked.
Just got out of the movie. I thought it was... okay? Nothing to write home about, and I don't really have any desire to see it again. Don't regret going, but a big part of that is my ticket was only $4, and I just straight up enjoy going to the movies.
I went in to Alien: Covenant last week with low expectations and was quite entertained throughout. I went in to this one with higher expectations given the general reception, but left feeling less than enthused about it.
I went in to Alien: Covenant last week with low expectations and was quite entertained throughout. I went in to this one with higher expectations given the general reception, but left feeling less than enthused about it.
Boss Doggie
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ahh interesting, thanks!
Pilgrimzero
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99.9% of Marvel comics takes place in NYC. Every time Green Goblin goes on a murder spree the world waits for Spidy to take him out. Where in reality ever hero from the Avengers to the X-men to the Punisher would be all over his shit in 5 seconds.
In DC at least all he heroes have different cities so it's makes more sense.
That's comics. As you say they are separate until they aren't.