But they didn't pay to keep it as a permanent exclusive. Wouldn't you rather wait a year than never get a game at all? Now that we have imagined a worse alternative, everything is better.
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Phil Spencer: "Not a fan of marketing deals with exclusive content"
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Night Angel
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Sure. But we're in a thread where the guy who paid for that game to be an exclusive for a year is COMPLAINING about other companies keeping SMALL PORTIONS of other games exclusive for a year (or permanent, who gives a fuck). You don't see how silly that is?
VlaudTheImpaler
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Show me. I've constantly asked for the proof and never get it. Show me, I would seriously like to look into it.
I want to see where Phil says something and then blatantly goes against it time after time after time like everyone here seems to think is happening.
I'd also like an entire list of what Phil has done both negative and Positive.
Megawarrior
Member
It's not a gaming event if Phil doesn't say at least one thing that is idiotic. It has become a tradition at this point.
Yautja_Warrior
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Hopefully Phil can shed some light on this interview saying no VR for Xbox One X.
http://gametransfers.com/xbox-one-x-will-not-support-virtual-reality-says-marketing-chief/
http://gametransfers.com/xbox-one-x-will-not-support-virtual-reality-says-marketing-chief/
It's absolutely blowing my mind that people are arguing that getting a game a year late is better than getting DLC/content a year late.
Like someone else in the thread said, wait a year to buy the game, and then it's not delayed content anymore, and you can be happy.
Chronospherics
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Chobel
Member
Huh? Missed all those "console launch exclusives" just 2 days ago?
VlaudTheImpaler
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When did he say specifically that he wasn't going to do timed console launch exclusives?
(Not defending timed console launch exclusives btw, I hated every time that came up and wish it would stop.)
Phil obviously meant content that would never come to one platform.
sturgboski
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But that's not the same thing as MS is doing it.
I mean where were the bleeding hearts last gen when most responses (not saying here) were "buy a 360 if you have a problem with it." Even this gen Phil did this. And if he could get those deals now, he would. I mean didn't the legends exclusivity just end?
Chobel
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ITT we have lots of people not understanding the modern world. Changing opinions over time is not double standards - it is development. In a modern western company (like Microsoft) reevaluating how you do things is a needed quality.
Why not discuss if we like "marketing deals with exclusive content" or not?
Why not discuss if we like "marketing deals with exclusive content" or not?
Heh, and changing opinions when the competition is destroying you is a coincidence, right?
All marketing deals suck. I hate that companies spend time on them at E3, and I hate that gamers have to suffer due to them. But let's drop the "Phil is the good guy" charade, shall we? He's as complicit in these actions as anyone else.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Exactly.
Really, people should be just as vocal at anyone who does the deals in the first place.
Thing is that wouldn't normally get you anywhere but it would still be the right thing to do.
Here though, we have Phil opening the door for us to hold him to his values, no matter how new found they are.
Everyone here is saying how crappy these deals are. They should be crappy no matter who is doing it and this is an opportunity to advocate for what we as consumers want.
Tomeru
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Destiny Xbox players get the content a year later.
In a nutshell with a great serving of artistic license
Public: tomb raider deal is such bullshit
Phil: "We are going to do less third party deals like tomb raider and concentrate on first party"
What really happened: cancelled a bunch of first party games. Shuttered a bunch of first party studios. Here are 18 more timed third party exclusives
Public: Where is the first party stuff?
Phil: "we are commited to first party stuff"
Phil: i hate timed exclusive deals that holds back stuff from other players, here are a bunch of stuff I held back on other platforms.
If he didn't continue doing it then this would have held some water but he hasn't. They aren't reevaluating how they do things they just say one thing and do the other.
SmoothRunningGun
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Seeing that he's a Destiny fan I'm sure he doesn't like it. Don't worry phil you'll get the strike a year later.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Nah, but they are both bad for sure.
What I don't understand, is how so many can say Phil is a clown and so on and act like Phil constantly only does negative things when not showing the proof. I understand the console war part of it, but not for people who may genuinely think that.
I'm not saying he's a flipping messiah or something either for crying out loud. The people answering people with stuff like that are to me just console fanboys wanting to dismiss any sort of constructive conversation. I think Phil has flaws. Like half the stuff that he ok'd for the show is just dumb and childish imo. I'm talking about the shirts and stuff like "True power." I think it's dumb and I will call it dumb every time I get a chance because I don't want that atmosphere anywhere in the industry no matter who it's coming from.
There are interviews and article from 2015. Read even a small section of it and find anytjing that's true today. Even one.
http://www.icxm.net/x/third-party-first-party.html
FinalStageBoss
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Sure Phil
Vegetable Lasagna
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Don't see the real problem here with anything he said. Hell, I'll be surprised if MS actually stops with exclusive content. Because well, Sony is doing a lot of that too. Doesn't matter if he disagrees with something when the current market is going to force it. Don't see any hypocrisy here really.
And for everyone screaming buh buh buh timed exclusives. Again, Sony is doing a lot of that also. Microsoft is doing a lot of it. They're trying to sell consoles. When consumers stop buying into this timed exclusive and exclusive content crap is the day it will end. So uh, stop preordering games doing this if you want it to stop. Don't cry at Sony and MS execs about it when the consumers are promoting these tactics. They're businesses that will continue to do these things if that's what brings in money. And it does.
And for everyone screaming buh buh buh timed exclusives. Again, Sony is doing a lot of that also. Microsoft is doing a lot of it. They're trying to sell consoles. When consumers stop buying into this timed exclusive and exclusive content crap is the day it will end. So uh, stop preordering games doing this if you want it to stop. Don't cry at Sony and MS execs about it when the consumers are promoting these tactics. They're businesses that will continue to do these things if that's what brings in money. And it does.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Answers in bold.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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What Phil meant to say was just that it's really lame. Exclusive gloves! Exclusive emotes!
Probably not. The PS4 exclusive content for The Taken King was extended to two years and is still not on Xbox. The same will probably happen with Destiny 2.
I agree but it seems hypocritical of Microsoft when, from where I'm sitting, Microsoft played a huge role in making this a part of how the industry became the way it did, especially when they were sitting pretty last gen and had plenty of marketing dollars/money hats to throw around that they prioritized over investing in first party stuff.
Seriously, maybe I'm really wrong on this, but I can't help but think this comes from these tactics coming back to bite them in the ass when MS pushed so many shitty, selfish practices that helped change the industry landscape in negative ways.
Seriously, maybe I'm really wrong on this, but I can't help but think this comes from these tactics coming back to bite them in the ass when MS pushed so many shitty, selfish practices that helped change the industry landscape in negative ways.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Huh? I don't get it.
He is talking about full console exclusives vs timed stuff. Did they just announce a full third party console exclusive?
Yes Capcoms Dead Rising 4 happened since.
Again it's happened since and he isn't just talking full hence the TR mention in there. He mentions bringing aspects of games to xbox first. He talks about concentrating on first party. Was any of it true? 2015 and now we are in 2017 what we have is little to no first party, A bunch of timed exclusive third party stuff and now him saying parts of games coming to another platform later is bad.
Melchiah
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You reap what you sow. While I wish 3rd party exclusives didn't exist, it's fitting they're getting the short end of the stick now, after all the years they made those deals last gen.
They were on top of their game when they had so many 3rd parties to back them up, which is why I don't see how they could ever abandon the practise entirely and rely on their own studios alone.
VlaudTheImpaler
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You are right about Dead Rising. Don't know how much funding was behind it though. Like if it would have happened without MS help. But still.
I think it's happened a lot less though. We will have to wait and see how long these timed launch exclusives are.
Regardless, those are just two things. I think they should take flack for it for sure. But that also doesn't mean that Spencer is just some clown either and does nothing but wrong like everyone is trying to make out.
I'd be willing to bet that the list of positive things Phil has done are far larger than this.
Phil is a good boy.
IndoAssassin
Banned
Everyone is doing it. But it's asinine to ask us not to complain about it. These execs are not my friend. They are multi millionaires only after my money. I get to complain about whatever the hell I want when I'm not satisfied about something.
VlaudTheImpaler
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From above,
Cross posting from another thread,
No I don't think he is and I never said it. But you can go on and keep believing that if it fits your narrative and makes you feel better.
KeepersDome
Member
I really agree with this. If that money that was used for the exact deals he is saying are bad now were used to open new studios making exclusive Xbox games the XBoxOne would be in a lot better shape right now.
FallingSputnik
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LMFAOOO, oh you're not a fan of timed exclusivity? 'Cause you might not be aware, but Microsoft has been doing it for years, worse - holding out on entire games to further the strength of their brand. I love this, I really do.
Mike Works
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How the fuck is locking away a few skins and a weapon and a strike worse than locking away the entire game via purchasing an exclusivity window? What a hypocrite.
Exactly, and it boggles my mind that people think Sony's stance is still somehow worse and defend Phil/MS. Locking entire games away for months, sometimes up to a year, is worse for gamers and in almost all cases for the developers too.
Plague Doctor
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Blocking content and blocking the whole game for a limited time is... well.. the same? Content is a better practice as other platforms have access to the rest of the game. Both practices are shadey and shit to different degree, but Phil is being obtuse with a good guy front which seems to be this guy's MO. Phil, seriously, just refuse to comment. You wanted to spin 22 exclusives (many being timed exclusives) and that is business, most sensible people get that. Just don't try to be holier than thou to the competition in the next breath.
ScaryShark
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This guy went from sort of endearing to transparent and opportunistic in the span of like 3 days. He's as full of shit as the rest of them. But hey, he wears gaming shirts! He's just like you!
Teehee.
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