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[ResoRai]

"I’m not a fan of doing deals that hold back specific pieces of content from other platforms."

Bit hypocritical Phil. There weren't any Tomb Raider situations at E3, but there were a lot of "Launch Console Exclusives" onstage. Guess they aren't exactly the same thing, but still pretty annoying.

No, it's more important that after the year of waiting PS4 owners aren't kept from using ONE SPECIFIC LEGENDARY BOW! Imagine how bad it would feel to not get to use the bow with silver arrows? Waiting for a year is fine, who has time for the game anyway? But I literally can't enjoy 99% of that game, even on day 1, knowing I'm gonna miss out on a side quest or outfit.

But he isn't changing. We don't have to support people who say one thing and repeatedly do the opposite. Phil always talks about all the nice things he wants for the industry, then he immediately does the shitty thing he was complaining about. I'm done with waiting for him to walk his talk.

"Repeatedly do the opposite" is exaggerating. I may be missing some examples though?

 

[Alebrije]

It seems Phil ended his "all we are friends" approach regarding competitors and began bitching about anything that could hurt them.

He has a lot of pressure but not like this.gif

 

[potatohead]

In a nutshell with a great serving of artistic license

Public: tomb raider deal is such bullshit
Phil: "We are going to do less third party deals like tomb raider and concentrate on first party"

What really happened: cancelled a bunch of first party games. Shuttered a bunch of first party studios. Here are 18 more timed third party exclusives

Public: Where is the first party stuff?

Phil: "we are commited to first party stuff"

Phil: i hate timed exclusive deals that holds back stuff from other players, here are a bunch of stuff I held back on other platforms.

But we need to give Phil and Microsoft more credit because....

...

...


I got nothing.

So much trumpism with xbox say whatever u want whenever u want without any requirement to live up to it

 

[yurinka]

Phil, if this is true why is mandatory for XBO indies to include exclusive content?

Or to make the whole game a timed console exclusive?

Why did you make Titanfall first timed exclusive and later full exclusive? Same goes with Dead Rising 4. Why did you Tomb Raider timed exclusive? How about FIFA legends?

 

[geordiemp]

Wtf ms started this shit last gen and still continue to do it.

Spencer is full of shit

I remember Mass Effect 1 and phil buying allot of 3rd party shit.

Tomb Raider, the list is much longer but I m tired

 

[Renmyra]

I'm pretty sure MS and Xbox are the reason we have paid DLC and microtransactions in every game nowadays. Also the reason why we have to pay to play games online on consoles. All of that shit lead to this stupid exclusive content we have nowadays.

 

[0ptimusPayne]

Cant wait till he becomes a fan of giving X1 owners more meaningful AAA 1st party games to play. I was very optimistic when he became the face of everything xbox, but you can tell the guy still has suits above him pulling the strings. Tons of old IP sitting there waiting to be taken advantage of, but instead were stuck playing BC versions of games that are wayyy overdue for a sequel/reboot. Boy bye! Don't @ me

 

[oldergamer]

Phil, if this is true why is mandatory for XBO indies to include exclusive content?

Or to make the whole game a timed console exclusive?

U sure you got that right? I thought it was that the game needed to be released at the same time as another platform.

 

[David___]

U sure you got that right? I thought it was that the game needed to be released at the same time as another platform.

It needs to either release at the same time, or have exclusive content to release later

 

[Night Angel]

"Repeatedly do the opposite" is exaggerating. I may be missing some examples though?

"We're increasing our focus on first party"
-2010-2017

 

[Rymuth]

U sure you got that right? I thought it was that the game needed to be released at the same time as another platform.

Parity clause goes as such

* same time release as all platforms

Or

* exclusive content if you wish to port it later

 

[yurinka]

U sure you got that right? I thought it was that the game needed to be released at the same time as another platform.

The first one is for when you released your game somewhere else before than in XBO. Many indies can't release a game at the same time in different consoles because don't have enough resources so need to release in a console and time later in another.

If release before in Xbox are tied to X months of console exclusivity, if not they must include exclusive content for Xbox.

 

[Darknight]

Good dont pick on good guy Phil/MS.

LMAO this is fake news republican level shit. "We do not discriminate, we welcome all!" -_-

Cut it out MS, we know the drill. This shit aint new and just cause you are taking a beating doesnt mean you can ignore your history to make it seem you are an innocent company in a sea of sharks.

Edit: this may sound like a fanboy rant but I'd say the same of Sony. These 2 have been doing this shit for years. I mean their arrogance to say XBX is not competing with PS4pro is kind of a joke.

 

[Astral Dog]

I also don't like it

 

[David___]

"We're increasing our focus on first party"
-2010-2017

"But Ballmer and Mattrick!"*

Spoiler

*ignoring the fact Spencer was head of first party since 2009 before moving to head of xbox

 

[EGM1966]

No we just hold back entire games...

C'mon seriously? Kettle, pot, glass houses, stones...

MS are in no position to critique exclusive deals.

I dislike them but unlike MS I dont indulge in them when it suits me and critique them when it doesn't.

Double standards suck Phil and so does trying to play holier than thou when you're just as guilty.

 

[De_Legend]

Keep digging Phil.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Even though the Phil and the Sony guy (Layden?) wears t-shirts with gaming logos all the time they are still suits. Believe them if you want.

 

[duhmetree]

It's better to keep an entire game off of a console. "Console Launch Exclusive"

than...

Keeping specific content off of a console? ( Destiny exclusives )

I do not follow this logic.

 

[Elbereth]

I personally think that Phil's days may be numbered in his current position.

If he is forced to be dishonest and hypocritical, then how much further can you sink in regards to public relations?

The fact that he would even say such a thing simply reeks of desperation and really insults the intelligence.

 

[David___]

I personally think that Phil's days may be numbered in his current position.

If he is forced to be dishonest and hypocritical, then how much further can you sink in regards to public relations?

The fact that he would even say such a thing simply reeks of desperation and really insults the intelligence.

 

[anothertech]

Wow. That really just sounds like somghing a sore loser would say when the 'jackpot' game is gained by someone else.

I mean, content is not ok to lock away, but the whole game is ok to lock away? Launch exclusive, launch exclusive, launch exclusive...

 

[Elbereth]

 

[TDonk]

Wow. That really just sounds like somghing a sore loser would say when the 'jackpot' game is gained by someone else.

I mean, content is not ok to lock away, but the whole game is ok to lock away? Launch exclusive, launch exclusive, launch exclusive...

The game isn't locked away, just delayed.

Phil sure is pressing some sensitive people's buttons! xD

 

[Con Con]

With regards to Tomb Raider and Titanfall, didn't Microsoft actually bankroll some of the production? I thought at least in Titanfall's case, the game would not have happened without Microsoft support.

I could be wrong of course

 

[Vegetable Lasagna]

Everyone is doing it. But it's asinine to ask us not to complain about it. These execs are not my friend. They are multi millionaires only after my money. I get to complain about whatever the hell I want when I'm not satisfied about something.

Did I say not to complain? You should. Also show them why you don't like it with your cash. I just said I didn't see Phil's comments being hypocritical, while people were trying to say they were. MS and Sony both do this. Weall think a lot things that sound great and then reality happens. The reality is that consumers enable a lot of this. I have. You have. Until we change it will keep happening regardless if a company's exec agrees with us on the issue or not. Capitalism, yo.

 

[Iced Arcade]

100% agree but not sure if I believe him lol

 

[BotoxAgent]

It seems Phil ended his "all we are friends" approach regarding competitors and began bitching about anything that could hurt them.

He has a lot of pressure but not like this.gif

Pretty much

 

[DangerMouse]

But we need to give Phil and Microsoft more credit because....

...

...


I got nothing.

So much trumpism with xbox say whatever u want whenever u want without any requirement to live up to it

Yup.

 

[spookyfish]

He wouldn't like it in this generation, anyway. The market leader tends to get those.

 

[The Giant]

Phil Spencer is slimy as fuck.

What do you expect when Phil has a punchable face.

 

[lynux3]

Yeah, timed content sucks, but not releasing the updated version of Minecraft on a platform is okay? Amirite?

 

[pastrami]

What do you expect when Phil has a punchable face.

Come on now, that's unnecessary.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

What do you expect when Phil has a punchable face.

"Our console is way more powerful"

"I don't want to do marketing deals with exclusives skins anymore."

 

[sirap]

What do you expect when Phil has a punchable face.

 

[Dynasty]

We will see I guess, they have a marketing deal with Anthem, guess we will find out if they have any exclusive missions for that game in the future.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Man, this guy is so full of shit.

But paying to keep games off another platform for limited time is ok, right Phil?

Not saying the Destiny situation is ok, because it's not, but this is typical Phil speaking from both sides of his mouth.

After doing it for the past few years..

Yeah, right. What a load of balls. You just can't get such a deal because the cost isn't worth it now. Hello Tomb Raider!

Wtf ms started this shit last gen and still continue to do it.

Spencer is full of shit

But a huge fan of holding back entire games on other platforms.

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

Given the blowback they copped, they haven't done it since. So at what point has he learned his lesson?

3 years? 5 years? 10 years?

 

[aerts1js]

With regards to Tomb Raider and Titanfall, didn't Microsoft actually bankroll some of the production? I thought at least in Titanfall's case, the game would not have happened without Microsoft support.

I could be wrong of course

If i recall correctly the Titanfall developers didn't even know they were going to be exclusive until after it was announced.

 

[The Giant]

Come on now, that's unnecessary.

It's true. Us aussies love punching people with punchable faces. Especially when your always having a smug smile.

 

[Nydius]

Given the blowback they copped, they haven't done it since. So at what point has he learned his lesson?

3 years? 5 years? 10 years?

Did you miss all the "Console Launch Exclusive" bullshit in the MS press conference? They're still pulling the same shit, paying for timed third party exclusivity. Phil's complaints about companies cutting out bits of content in multiplatform games rings completely hollow when Microsoft is splashing cash around to keep entire games away from competition for undisclosed amounts of time.

 

[Jangowuzhere]

I guess this will sound pretty shitty and cynical, but I don't see the point of my Xbox One unless it has exclusive content.

I don't see any incentive for a PC user to get an Xbox. Now that basically everything on the Xbox first party side is also launching on PC, then why even own an Xbox? Outside of Halo and backwards compatibility, my Xbox has been collecting dust for everything else.

 

[Chabbles]

MS with GTA4 and FO3 dlc started all this off to begin with though Phil, but i agree. Use that cash to fund a companies own inhouse studios in some way like expansion or dlc.

 

[TheYanger]

Did you miss all the "Console Launch Exclusive" bullshit in the MS press conference? They're still pulling the same shit, paying for timed third party exclusivity. Phil's complaints about companies cutting out bits of content in multiplatform games rings completely hollow when Microsoft is splashing cash around to keep entire games away from competition for undisclosed amounts of time.

Those aren't 'exclusive content' that is forcing people to get a gimpier game elsewhere.

 

[pastrami]

Given the blowback they copped, they haven't done it since. So at what point has he learned his lesson?

3 years? 5 years? 10 years?

Since what? Dead Rising 4?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/dead-rising-4-is-a-timed-exclusive-for-xbox-one-an/1100-6440999/

"'Dead Rising 4' on Xbox One is developed by Capcom and will be published in partnership with Microsoft. Fans will be able to play 'Dead Rising 4' first on Xbox One and Windows 10 PC this December. It will remain a Windows 10 exclusive for the first 90 days and console exclusive on Xbox One for one year. We've had a close and longstanding relationship with Capcom including the launch of Dead Rising as an Xbox 360 exclusive and Dead Rising 3 as an Xbox One exclusive. We're thrilled to partner with Capcom once again to help bring their ambitious vision for Dead Rising 4 to life."

 

[OfTheOverflow]

He really is a good marketing man.

 

[semiconscious]

"We're increasing our focus on first party"
-2010-2017

amen! ...

 

[Off-Kilter]

Those aren't 'exclusive content' that is forcing people to get a gimpier game elsewhere.

But it's just as shitty?

 

[Uno Venova]

Those aren't 'exclusive content' that is forcing people to get a gimpier game elsewhere.

Just full games much later.

 

[Head.spawn]

I think some of you guys are being obtuse here.

The Destiny deal specifically has Xbox players paying the exact same price as PlayStation players, yet content held back for a year, if they delivered that promised content, it would still be missing the actual exclusive content that will never come... all for the same price.

Beyond that, Bungie said they were going to deliver certain content after a year of exclusivity and then fucking changed their minds at the end of the year and delayed it another year (Taken King).

Somehow thats okay?

What are the odds they don't do the same thing again with Rise of Iron? What about Destiny 2 content?

Why should they have to pay the same price for less content for a year then lied to about when you receive part of it? Someone, go ahead and justify that, I'll wait.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Those aren't 'exclusive content' that is forcing people to get a gimpier game elsewhere.

Yeah they're just getting no content...so much better. Both are shitty practices trying to defend one against the other is ridiculous.