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[Inuhanyou]

Yep
Fuck that
I'm gud til 2019 at least and ps4 bc is awesome but doubt it


I want a new console not just a little upgrade

You'll be getting a big upgrade when comparing to base PS4 since that is the baseline, but on paper, the GPU won't be that big a jump from Pro because Pro has messed with your expectations.

But a Pro and a PS5 have completely different functions in the marketplace, so there's no point in using Pro as a point of comparison.

it doesn't matter if its only a little more than twice the flops GPU wise, a 10tflop next gen console with a Zen CPU and GDDR6 or HBM will blow people's expectations out of the water..especially considering how we have been held back by Jaguar for so long.

Yes, not every game will be 60fps or 4K as devs will still prioritize maximizing the capability of the machine in other ways, but it will be a significant leap in all the ways people expect generations to be

 

[BigEmil]

If games were built from the ground up exclusively for PS4 Pro and not standard PS4 the games would take much more advantage of the hardware

But PS4 Pro mainly just gets the standard PS4 built games and enhances them depending on how devs choose to and how much

When PS5 comes out and games built for PS5 from the ground up that's when the big difference will show

Don't worry about BC.

Confirmed? If so I'll buy Digital games more now on less worry

 

[Fisty]

My point wasn't to downplay such a figure, it was more along the lines of the following.
At the moment the gap between a high-end GPU and XBOX is 5TF, if the gap doesn't widen then 15TF would be realistic.
Keep in mind that you'll have 40%+ power boost from 14>7nm switch alone, 60%+ power reduction and 30%+ die cost savings (GlobalFoundries figures and that's without EUV I believe).
In that regard 10-12TF would seem on the low side all things considered, personally I'd be happy with 12TF but it's not unthinkable that we might see something stronger.

I think 10 seems reasonable, with 12 being the hope. Most of the gains will be from CPU and new memory solution anyway, with a PS5 Pro down the line to crank up the GPU another 5 or 6 tf. I think a low-mid spec solution every 3 years is a great prospect going forward, since heat and power draw also play a huge role in hardware design. I really don't expect Sony to abandon the $400 price point any time soon.

Confirmed? If so I'll buy Digital games more now on less worry

Not including BC going forward would be a literal seppuku. With the PR wins MS has been cashing in this gen, Sony would be insane not to include it, not to mention they wouldn't have an excuse like they do now. Besides, it is completely in Sony's best interest to keep users buying PS4 software indefinitely, and stuff like PS2 titles carrying over without issue. Remaking, remastering and re-releasing games forever just isn't feasible for anyone in the equation. It's easier and cheaper to just bring everything to PS4 spec and let that be the baseline for the next decade or two

 

[onemanasylum]

Don't worry about BC.

I think it is pretty obvious with digital becoming so big libraries will carry over going forward.

 

[chaosmaster(1)]

It would be interesting if the PS5 is 2019 because that puts MS in an interesting position considering they are launching their mid gen refresh this year. Would be interesting to see if MS would follow suite.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

PS5 to drop the number system. It'll be the playstation slide and it comes with a slip and slide.

 

[RootCause]

I hope the PS5 has bc, and can improve the games, the same way the X1X does.

If games were built from the ground up exclusively for PS4 Pro and not standard PS4 the games would take much more advantage of the hardware

But PS4 Pro mainly just gets the standard PS4 built games and enhances them depending on how devs choose to and how much

When PS5 comes out and games built for PS5 from the ground up that's when the big difference will show

Confirmed?

Yep, a game built exclusively from the ground up for the pro would look much better than any game that has a pro patch.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Don't worry about BC.

Don't worry about BC... because it's not happening? WHAAAAAT?

/s

 

[RoboPlato]

I think it is pretty obvious with digital becoming so big libraries will carry over going forward.

Service games are also a big part of that. You don't want people to lose access to heavy hitters like Overwatch and Destiny when they upgrade within the ecosystem. Plus if older games can get updates like when the Pro released, it can get them some more attention/sales during the launch period between the bigger releases.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

If ps5 doesn't have bc, it will be mind blowing.

 

[wonderful103]

If ps5 doesn't have bc, it will be mind blowing.

Consoles are no longer bound by generations. Ps4 games will work.

 

[Astral Dog]

Pachter is insane

 

[RCU005]

My guess is that it will be announced in early 2020 and release that same year. It will obviously support 4K 60 fps, and will have 32 GB GDDR5.

That's the most I could speculate.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

It would be interesting if the PS5 is 2019 because that puts MS in an interesting position considering they are launching their mid gen refresh this year. Would be interesting to see if MS would follow suite.

No way would Microsoft launch a new console in two years. I think the beginning of this generation was an anomaly with both platforms launching at the same time.

 

[truth411]

Consoles are no longer bound by generations. Ps4 games will work.

Utterly false with regards to Sony. Cerny was very explicit about that.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

So a full step, no 2019 release, and no PS4 BC?

Release year will be 9102.

 

[RootCause]

Utterly false with regards to Sony. Cerny was very explicit about that.

I don't think you understood what Cerny was saying.

 

[chaosmaster(1)]

No way would Microsoft launch a new console in two years. I think the beginning of this generation was an anomaly with both platforms launching at the same time.

The thing is I don't think MS would want to give Sony a 1 year head start during a new generation that would be an advantage for Sony I feel.

 

[truth411]

My guess is that it will be announced in early 2020 and release that same year. It will obviously support 4K 60 fps, and will have 32 GB GDDR5.

That's the most I could speculate.

God no. GDDR6 at the minimum. But I don't think GDDR6 will provide enough bandwith needed for a generation that will last till 2030.

 

[LegitMcfalls]

I just dont see it happening in 2019. In two years is 4k 120hz HDR going to be the televison standard like 1080p 60hz today?

I also see a lot of value in the PS4 name. It still sells and sells to people who dont normally buy the newest consoles. You could almost have a Wii to WiiU situation where Sony thinks the 80 million ps4 users all want to upgrade and the market dictates otherwise.

I think we get one more "half step" upgrade to the ps4. One that includes a uhd disk player and a gpu that matches or surpasses the Xbox One X. This may then push the ps4 to 2023 and push the life time sales of the ps4 to well over 100 million.

 

[onemanasylum]

The thing is I don't think MS would want to give Sony a 1 year head start during a new generation that would be an advantage for Sony I feel.

Of course it would..it would be suicide for MS....

 

[truth411]

I don't think you understood what Cerny was saying.

I believe the PS5 will be backwards compatible. But folks expecting the PS4 to play PS5 games are fooling themselves.

 

[chaosmaster(1)]

Of course it would..it would be suicide for MS....

This is the reason I think MS would have to meet them, the potentially lost sales as well as the opportunity to grow from the XB1 gen diminishes I feel.

I think the PS5 is either 2019 or 2020, I'm leaning stronger on 2020.

 

[anothertech]

Don't worry about BC.

Music to my ears right there

Seriously though. Things are moving faster than people realize tech wise. The red camera phone just announced, fcking holographic tech right there. I just hooked up 1gigabyte/second internet today. Stuff is moving,

 

[Mr. Pointy]

God no. GDDR6 at the minimum. But I don't think GDDR6 will provide enough bandwith needed for a generation that will last till 2030.

GDDR6 or HBM2 pushing >400GB/s (if HBM as a RAM format doesn't die off) will be enough until Sony need to sell 8k TVs and we get a PS5 Pro or PS6.

 

[The Hamburglar]

I don't understand how this would be a bad thing. A new console every few years would be a much better model for the consumer if correct backwards compatibility is in place.

It really isn't. Look at the Xbox Xbox x. All that power will never truly be taken advantage of as games will still have to cater to xbox one.

PS4 games runnning on ps5 fine bc is good. But supposed ps5 games running on PS4 just gimps there advantages of better hardware. See destiny one then again bungie aren't exactly great considering the bullshit they come out with regarding destiny 2.

 

[kc44135]

Not including BC going forward would be a literal seppuku. With the PR wins MS has been cashing in this gen, Sony would be insane not to include it, not to mention they wouldn't have an excuse like they do now. Besides, it is completely in Sony's best interest to keep users buying PS4 software indefinitely, and stuff like PS2 titles carrying over without issue. Remaking, remastering and re-releasing games forever just isn't feasible for anyone in the equation. It's easier and cheaper to just bring everything to PS4 spec and let that be the baseline for the next decade or two

I think it is pretty obvious with digital becoming so big libraries will carry over going forward.

Service games are also a big part of that. You don't want people to lose access to heavy hitters like Overwatch and Destiny when they upgrade within the ecosystem. Plus if older games can get updates like when the Pro released, it can get them some more attention/sales during the launch period between the bigger releases.

If ps5 doesn't have bc, it will be mind blowing.

Consoles are no longer bound by generations. Ps4 games will work.

I hope so, y'all. It's a feature I personally value a great deal, and I do agree it would be absolute insanity for Sony to not offer it with PS5, especially considering Microsoft's commitment to BC meaning the "NextBox" will likely be able to play every Xbox Game ever, just about.

It really isn't. Look at the Xbox Xbox x. All that power will never truly be taken advantage of as games will still have to cater to xbox one.

PS4 games runnning on ps5 fine bc is good. But supposed ps5 games running on PS4 just gimps there advantages of better hardware. See destiny one then again bungie aren't exactly great considering the bullshit they come out with regarding destiny 2.

Now this I agree with. Backwards Compatibility is great for a variety of reasons, but Forwards Compatibility? That just holds back new games from reaching their full potential. Ideally, I'd like to carry over all my old shit, and have it all in one place, but I'd also like to have new experiences that I couldn't get from last-gen hardware. Otherwise, what's the point?

 

[Zack Zavage]

How does this guy make a living? Does he seriously get paid for saying things like that?

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

With how powerful the Scorpio is supposed to be I really don't see the new generation of consoles ever being more than half a step when there's always going to be a pro version of that counsel in its mid life

 

[Woodchipper]

Who is this joker?

 

[neoism]

You'll be getting a big upgrade when comparing to base PS4 since that is the baseline, but on paper, the GPU won't be that big a jump from Pro because Pro has messed with your expectations.

But a Pro and a PS5 have completely different functions in the marketplace, so there's no point in using Pro as a point of comparison.

it doesn't matter if its only a little more than twice the flops GPU wise, a 10tflop next gen console with a Zen CPU and GDDR6 or HBM will blow people's expectations out of the water..especially considering how we have been held back by Jaguar for so long.

Yes, not every game will be 60fps or 4K as devs will still prioritize maximizing the capability of the machine in other ways, but it will be a significant leap in all the ways people expect generations to be

Not really I still only have a base ps4 and won't be getting a pro because I don't have a 4K tv...

I just don't want Sony to continue with little upgrade shit.. It has the number 5 there for a reason...at least I hope it's called ps5 It's wishful thinking but I'm hoping 5 is 3-4 times as powerful as 4 😁

 

[AmyS]

My guess is that it will be announced in early 2020 and release that same year. It will obviously support 4K 60 fps, and will have 32 GB GDDR5.

That's the most I could speculate.

GDDR5? Haha.

For a console launching in ~2020 that will have to last until the late 2020s, No way.

God no. GDDR6 at the minimum. But I don't think GDDR6 will provide enough bandwith needed for a generation that will last till 2030.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

With how powerful the Scorpio is supposed to be I really don’t see the new generation of consoles ever being more than half a step when there’s always going to be a pro version of that counsel in its mid life

The thing is, it's a half step because it's the same or very simular hardware, just expanded. It's still based off Jaguar cores.

The ps5/next box don't have that limitation. Even going to a Zen or Zen2 based apu could result in some major upgrades power and utility wise.

 

[Matt]

Pachter is insane

How does this guy make a living? Does he seriously get paid for saying things like that?

Who is this joker?

I don't get what people find so ridiculous.

 

[kyser73]

Not really I still only have a base ps4 and won't be getting a pro because I don't have a 4K tv...

I just don't want Sony to continue with little upgrade shit.. It has the number 5 there for a reason...at least I hope it's called ps5 It's wishful thinking but I'm hoping 5 is 3-4 times as powerful as 4 ��

A 10TF PS5 would be 5.5x more powerful than your base model PS4, plus it'll have a better CPU which will bring other benefits.

So I think you'd be good with the spec range most of us are discussing

Matt's posts continue to astound and amaze.

I don't get what people find so ridiculous.

It's Pavlovian at this point.

BTW...10TF/16GB...managed expectations?

 

[opticalmace]

I'd probably buy it. Is BC really that likely?

And I wonder if it'll release at $399.

 

[Renekton]

Consoles are no longer bound by generations.

Jaguars forever

 

[-Horizon-]

Even a half step from the ps4 pro doesn't seem like much. Would be disappointed if it was true. I'd rather this gen go on longer like the last one as long as it meant the jump would be more significant.

 

[jesu]

Even a half step from the ps4 pro doesn't seem like much. Would be disappointed if it was true. I'd rather this gen go on longer like the last one as long as it meant the jump would be more significant.

It would be a whole step from a PS4.
1 step = a gen

 

[Omnistalgic]

Even a half step from the ps4 pro doesn't seem like much. Would be disappointed if it was true. I'd rather this gen go on longer like the last one as long as it meant the jump would be more significant.

I think we're focusing on the wrong thing. The main reason I'm not interested in specs? Because I can't play them! Lol...

Wait and see what a 10TF and I5 or I7 level CPU can accomplish before you write the next PS off as a disappointment.

It's all about what the developers can do with the hardware. MS is screaming about specs again because it benefits them PR wise releasing the most powerful console. Reality? GOW on Pro will still be one of the better looking games for this entire gen. It's about what the hardware can accomplish, and Cerny and Ice team aren't going to put out a PS5 until there's something new to market.

 

[Interficium]

Utterly false with regards to Sony. Cerny was very explicit about that.

Cerny doesn't run Sony.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I think including BC in the PS5 will also be a good business move and not just for good PR. It gives Day 1 buyers an instant library as opposed to being limited to a selected amount of launch PS5 titles that may or may not be good. Knack jokes aside, the PS4's launch library wasn't all that impressive.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Cerny doesn't run Sony.

Technically, Andrew House does own a big portion of Sony, and he also said that they still care about generations.

Of course i expect BC, but saying they moved beyond generations is directly opposite of what they have been saying

 

[onQ123]

Don't worry about BC.

Matt what are you doing man?



Something tell me that Sony & MS is playing a game of cat & mouse & Sony might be coming with another upgrade when we move to 7nm/10nm

 

[RedSwirl]

It's likely the PS5 will be another upgrade of the PS4/Pro architecture, but they'll finally drop Jaguar. BC is even more likely. The real question is if there will be any forwards compatible games, either enforced or optional on the part of the developers.

 

[RoadHazard]

Full step in 2020 it is.

(This is what I actually believe. I do think it will have PS4 BC though.)

 

[truth411]

It's likely the PS5 will be another upgrade of the PS4/Pro architecture, but they'll finally drop Jaguar. BC is even more likely. The real question is if there will be any forwards compatible games, either enforced or optional on the part of the developers.

You will have cross gen games of course especially from 3rd party devs for a while. But PS4 will not play PS5 games, M.S. on the other hand might be different. But the flaw is forever being held back by the XBone.

 

[RedSwirl]

You will have cross gen games of course especially from 3rd party devs for a while. But PS4 will not play PS5 games, M.S. on the other hand might be different. But the flaw is forever being held back by the XBone.

Well that depends on what you call those "cross-gen" games. Most cross-gen games are usually games from the older console generation with a few new bells and whistles when ported to the newer console generations. In this case theoretically we could see PS4 games receiving a "PS5 mode" when run on a PS5, and that being basically how they do cross-gen games.

I think it's almost certain this is how Microsoft will operate. Maybe at a certain point MS establishes the Xbox One X as the base model. Maybe the next machine after the One X ditches Jaguar and becomes a new base model, but developers can optionally still support original Xbox One, which they'll want to do.

 

[onQ123]

8.6TF 2018 $399

 

[Blanquito]

8.6TF 2018 $399

2018 you think? Seems a little too early for me