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John McCain has Brain Cancer
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Bam Bam Baklava
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Okay, but the CBO report plainly states premiums would double by 2026 if ACA were repealed right now.
I don't mean to sound insensitive to your predicament but when you're crafting a policy for 300 million people, not everyone will have a perfect experience. The only objective way to judge is through overall impact analysis. Even the precious single payer system so many people act like is the best has plenty of stories of negative experiences with things like rationing.
Before ACA, there were lots of stories about people being denied coverage over clever loopholes exploited by insurance companies. I don't know how prevalent this actually was on a large scale because they were personal anecdotes.
Maybe McCain should have shown some respect for the people he was actively trying to fuck over.
I just realized we were having this debate in the McCain brain cancer thread. I would be happy to debate this elsewhere, but not here.
I cannot create threads, I have created so many bad ones. But if you would like to create a thread I would be happy to discuss this further.
BlackRainbowFT
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It must have been a low grade glioblastoma... If the craniotomy was done by making a small incision close to the eye, then it was the frontal cortex. Lesions in this area can lead to behavioral changes (which some of you seem to have noticed)... with that said, a glioblastoma involves glia cells, not the neurons. Meaning that the symptoms are due to the added pressure in the skull or the lack of oxygen to the healthy neurons.
When you surgically remove it, you also scoop out neurons that worked perfectly fine (neurons and glia cells are intertwined... Like a mesh)... and this is even more true because they usually remove a bit more just to be sure they've removed everything (and they often miss some).
I had a patient who wanted to sue the neurosurgeons because "they made him worse" (hemiplegic with severe hemineglect). I had to explain to him that, had they not done the procedure, he would be dead right now (he was hospitalized because of epileptic seizures and severe migraine... caused by the glioblastoma). The tumor was the size of a golf ball.
When you surgically remove it, you also scoop out neurons that worked perfectly fine (neurons and glia cells are intertwined... Like a mesh)... and this is even more true because they usually remove a bit more just to be sure they've removed everything (and they often miss some).
I had a patient who wanted to sue the neurosurgeons because "they made him worse" (hemiplegic with severe hemineglect). I had to explain to him that, had they not done the procedure, he would be dead right now (he was hospitalized because of epileptic seizures and severe migraine... caused by the glioblastoma). The tumor was the size of a golf ball.
I respect McCain for his bravery during Vietnam, but let's not get a head start in mythologizing his political career.
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The fuck does McCain's war experience have to do with his ability to enact legislation, anyway? Most people here are deriding him for his godawdul hipocrisies as a senator, not for what he did as a soldier.
Fox Mulder
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So being a pow means you can be a shitty asshole politician later in life without any criticism. Cool.
Bam Bam Baklava
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There's really no debate to be had. Some people will pretend like your experience didn't happen and that ACA was great for everyone but that's not the case. However, your story is also just one anecdote out of 300 million so it doesn't really provide much insight into whether the bill was positive for Americans as a whole. What the CBO seems to state is that more would be uninsured and premiums would be higher than they are now. The bill can be made better with adjustment but it will never be perfect, none of them are.
Canada and the UK are supposed to be better than the US in terms of healthcare but there are negative stories that come out of their systems too. The NHS is a big issue every UK election.
You Are Viewtiful
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Who said anything about rational? There are a lot of "irrational" people that vote, and they care about stuff like this. They don't want to associate with classless/rude people. Ethos.
Conor_Fool
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Saying that spineless little keyboard warriors would have killed themselves if they were subjected to the torture that he was? Yeah, I used strong words. Words that I used against people shitting on a dying man that has endured atrocities that none of us can even fathom. You are so insufferable dude, stop with your condescending nonsense.
Read the post dude. I disagree with so much that McCain has done and I hate the large majority of his politics. I'm pissed that so many people here don't have the decency to show a little respect for a man on his death bed that has endured some heinous shit for the sake of our country.
Psychoward
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Psychoward
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I'll use strong words too, it doesn't fucking matter what atrocities he suffered because for the past however many decades he's been working for a party that's comically evil and is right now in support of a sign a bill that would cause 32 million Americans to lose their health insurance and for me to go through my own personal hell of having a liver transplant completely null and void because I wouldn't be able to get my rejection drugs for a reasonable price. So I'm either gonna be financially ruined for the rest of my foreseeable future or have to go through another fucking transplant.
But please tell us more about how a man who served his country 30 years ago is worth the utmost respect no matter what he does and how I'm just a pussy keyboard warrior for not having empathy for a man who has none for me.
He may have served my country but as long as I've been alive he hasn't been serving my interests.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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So I'm guessing you see yourself as much more than a keyboard warrior
People whose livelihoods (and sometimes lives themselves) are being directly threatened by those policies have every right to be pissed, I think. Dude's a multi-millionaire and isn't paying a cent out of his pocket for his health care while he's been working around the clock to gut the health care of others. He's gloated about wanting a US military presence in Iraq for the rest of the century, because 200,000 dead Iraqi civilians (dead, not tortured, dead) apparently isn't enough for him.
There are millions of people this guy is trying his absolute hardest to fuck over for the sake of his political party. No amount of Vietnam heroism will make a dent in that for someone whose fate rests on still having health care next year. It's actually insultingly irrelevant.
Conor_Fool
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Weeeeeelp. My condolences, truly. I'll bounce out of the thread. McCain has always been one of the better of the bunch but yeah, he supports some fucked up shit. I still have respect for what he went through, and I wouldn't wish brain cancer on my worst enemy. I hope you're able to get through your situation in a financially reasonable way man.
Conor_Fool
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You never offer anything of substance dude. Take note from other posters who replied to me in respectable, yet justifiably angry, ways. Learn to argue for the better good instead of using your useless little one liners to start shit.
They made me think twice about my comments and see that it's a very multifaceted idea, to mourn for someone whose life and work has been anything but black and white. You, on the other hand, provoke people with no intent to engage in discourse. I hope to god you were never on a debate team.
kitsunelaine
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Respect isn't something you give to someone who has none for others in the same situation. The GOP have none from me.
Now I wouldn't wish death on them, that's for sure. However they aren't going to get my condolences either when something like this happens to any one of them. That's a fine balance to strike and perfectly justifiable, in my opinion. Apathy towards the apathetic. Empathy should not be given to the irredeemably unempathetic, as you would have to be to be a GOP in power.
This might not be a popular opinion and that's fine. I ain't gonna begrudge anyone for disagreeing. I just get tired of displaying empathy to those who are only able to recieve it and not return it.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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You just want people to be nice to you while you talk shit. What did you really think you were going to get in response to that post? You already know that people have legitimate gripes with McCain's actions that him getting cancer is not going to cancel out, you just wanted to shit on people and bounce. Acting like scales fell from your eyes or some shit lol
Ninja Scooter
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Lmao
hockeypuck
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I have never heard of a "low grade glioblastoma." Low grade gliomas, sure, but IIRC glioblastoma automatically puts it in the "it's aggressive, doesn't matter" camp. You have a link I can refresh my memory with?
Did they remove the whole mass or was it something picked up serendipitously? I thought gliobastomas grow quickly and most often mean the end of the line... especially in the frontal lobe.
Sigh... I said I wish him nothing but pain and misery a couple of days ago out of anger and fear. I'm not glad this happened to him, but I still don't feel any different. I know he will have access to some fantastic treatments that many wouldn't if he was well and voted for that stupid healthcare bill. Enjoy your tax payer paid healthcare, McCain. Everyone should deserve it, even you, but I know you'd take it away from everyone and let millions die in the same position as you.
Spineless, am I? At age 7, I was kidnapped and forced into child prostitution for two months. In that time they brainwashed and tortured me to like it, and even after I was save, I was always manipulated and sexually abused by others all the way until 16. The hell I've been through; the electrocution, the whipping, the beatings, the stabbing and cutting, the burning, the mutilations. Do you know what it's like to have this imagery in my head? Do you want to know what its like to see those events again and again, never stopping, to even remember the pain inflicted all over your body? To the point you can't sleep or eat, you can't even leave your house without fear? Where you're so scared of everyone, even your own mother, and you fear every touch someone gives you?
I've went through this hell as a kid, and I fight everyday to not commit suicide because I'm a mental mess that will never recover fully to this day. I need my weekly therapist visits and monthly psychiatrist visits to make sure I'm medicated and functional. Plus add to it cirrhosis of the liver that I had since I was 12ish that my doctors have to keep in constant check. If the Affordable Care Act was repealed, I would slowly suffer and likely die because I can't afford treatment.
The only one that's spineless is people defending a monster like McCain because "he did a service to his country" and "he just has different views." Well those different views means life and death to people like me, and he's in the position of power to decide if I die or if I live and he's on the side that wants me dead. Excuse us if we get emotional and say "fuck McCain and the rest of the GOP" despite their shit health situation. They don't have to worry about having their life being hung in the balance by a people in power.
Spineless, am I? At age 7, I was kidnapped and forced into child prostitution for two months. In that time they brainwashed and tortured me to like it, and even after I was save, I was always manipulated and sexually abused by others all the way until 16. The hell I've been through; the electrocution, the whipping, the beatings, the stabbing and cutting, the burning, the mutilations. Do you know what it's like to have this imagery in my head? Do you want to know what its like to see those events again and again, never stopping, to even remember the pain inflicted all over your body? To the point you can't sleep or eat, you can't even leave your house without fear? Where you're so scared of everyone, even your own mother, and you fear every touch someone gives you?
I've went through this hell as a kid, and I fight everyday to not commit suicide because I'm a mental mess that will never recover fully to this day. I need my weekly therapist visits and monthly psychiatrist visits to make sure I'm medicated and functional. Plus add to it cirrhosis of the liver that I had since I was 12ish that my doctors have to keep in constant check. If the Affordable Care Act was repealed, I would slowly suffer and likely die because I can't afford treatment.
The only one that's spineless is people defending a monster like McCain because "he did a service to his country" and "he just has different views." Well those different views means life and death to people like me, and he's in the position of power to decide if I die or if I live and he's on the side that wants me dead. Excuse us if we get emotional and say "fuck McCain and the rest of the GOP" despite their shit health situation. They don't have to worry about having their life being hung in the balance by a people in power.
WrenchNinja
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Why should he deserve respect when he and his party disrespects the rest of Americans now? Because of some war from decades ago? You want to put him on a pedestal because he was tortured, go right ahead, but don't pretend like everyone has to do the same while millions of lives are on the line
Kill Your Masters
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ITT: old white men get more love than any other human being on the face of the earth that has suffered, is suffering, and will suffer, especially when the suffering is co generated by this guy.
How fucking dare you be so condensending on us when you don't know us or what we went through. Our suffering has not been televised so please shut the fuck up and crawl back into the hole you came from.
Seriously. There's a video of Square on youtube from shortly after FFXIII was announced for 360. They were wide eyed and chain smoking cigarettes, detailing some of the events.
All you spineless pussies talking shit behind your keyboard in this thread would likely have killed yourself after a month of what they went through. I don't agree with the port in so many ways, but have a little fucking respect for a company that endured and overcame so much.
That dumbass post you made deserved nothing but outright derision. The sentiment from Psychoward has been repeated numerous, numerous times throughout this thread. No one needs to hold your hand because you can't read a single page.
Ninja Scooter
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I, too, hate men made out of straw.
Damn, that's a lot of words to say 'no,u'.
TheFierceGentleman
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For those of you who are empathizing and stating that he'll think his views over after recovering from cancer, he won't. He's 80 years old and his voting records states his views quite clearly.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
A highlight: Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Hurricane Katrina (August 2005)
Recover, don't recover, I don't care.
My grandmother died from breast cancer, the loss of a loved one is a terrible thing. I also think she was stupid for hiding it from everyone else and not getting it treated.
Having cancer doesn't get you pity points. I'll sympathize with you if I care about you and are genuinely a good person.
He endured torture, yes, but so did many other soldiers. Soldiers who come home bearing their own scars of war, and McCain doesn't care.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brandon-friedman/mccains-non-support-for-t_b_131046.html
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
A highlight: Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Hurricane Katrina (August 2005)
Recover, don't recover, I don't care.
My grandmother died from breast cancer, the loss of a loved one is a terrible thing. I also think she was stupid for hiding it from everyone else and not getting it treated.
Having cancer doesn't get you pity points. I'll sympathize with you if I care about you and are genuinely a good person.
He endured torture, yes, but so did many other soldiers. Soldiers who come home bearing their own scars of war, and McCain doesn't care.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brandon-friedman/mccains-non-support-for-t_b_131046.html
This thread and a lot of the reactions to the baseball shooting are depressing the hell out of me. It's easy to condemn the GOP and the lunatic direction their base has taken since '08, but it's worrying just how much their radicalization has contributed to a reciprocal radicalization of the left. How bad are things that we can't even collectively condemn political assassinations or disparage the thought of brain cancer afflicting a war hero and one of the most respectable GOP senators of the last thirty years?
The GOP healthcare bill is dead. Donald Trump is a disgrace of historical proportions. Dems are poised to seize the house in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. All things considered things are looking about as optimistic as they could be given the situation we're in, we don't need to contribute to this narrative that the country is on the brink of some kind of civil war. There are too many nutters with guns in this country to go through something like the 1960s again.
The GOP healthcare bill is dead. Donald Trump is a disgrace of historical proportions. Dems are poised to seize the house in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. All things considered things are looking about as optimistic as they could be given the situation we're in, we don't need to contribute to this narrative that the country is on the brink of some kind of civil war. There are too many nutters with guns in this country to go through something like the 1960s again.
There is no such thing as a low grade gbm. They are all WHO grade 4, with a mean survival of 12-14 months with surgical resection + chemotherapy (TMZ) and radiotherapy.
Whole bunch of text to say both sides. The most respectable GOP who wants to take away health care from millions of people.. ya but both sides.. What bullshit
TheFierceGentleman
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First of all, how is he a war hero? I tried to research that bit and all I could find is that he was a prisoner of war.
Second, in my post above I just pointed out how he is not a respectable GOP senator. If that is considered respectable, it's a sad state of affairs for the GOP.
BossDarkseid
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Between people who said cancer sucks but at least he has healthcare, and those who dislike the fetishization of the military I'm not sure who you're talking to? Is there any single poster who actually said "his being tortured was no big deal/i like war heroes who don't get captured"?
I'm kinda asking genuinely because the thread has gone on 6 more pages since i was awake
Joe T.
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I'd cross that bridge when I came to it. If I'm willing to try and you're not which one of us do you think stands the better chance? in any event, as others have already explained, showing compassion doesn't exonerate him of what he's done.
We're all human, we're all in this together, even though it really doesn't feel like it most of the time. If you had the power to replace all 7 billion people on the planet with a whole new set you would still find yourself cursing at those in positions of power for decisions that negatively affected countless lives. Life is complicated and regardless of what happens to John McCain, the Republican party and Donald Trump, you're still going to be dealing with serious issues because the problems always come back to the same place: us. All of us.
Treat your fellow man/woman better, even that dirty neighbor that voted for another candidate, and you'll see things gradually improve. Treat your fellow man/woman like garbage and, well, would it surprise you if they do the same?
hockeypuck
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I just found the juxtaposition of confidently describing the craniotomy with such detail and "low grade glioblastoma" very odd. Must be a student.
Is this really necessary? Where is that McCain today? In fact, nevermind an event before most of us were born. Where is the McCain who stood up for Obama when running against him, when one of his own supporters was shittalking Obama being a muslim and a bad person or whatever. Where did that man go? I think people would be a lot more respectful of him and deeply saddened by this unfortunate revelation, if he was still that man today.
I personally don't agree with shitting on a person who is old and has brain cancer, regardless of what I think of the person, because in this situation it's probably better to just say nothing. But that's me. I can't fault people who are affected directly by his poor political record in the recent years for being bitter and angry, and lacking in the ability to empathize with his suffering. We're all human in the end right?
McCain is a self-centered asshole (read up here) but I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.
Not even on one of the guys who tried to take away healthcare insurance for millions of people just to make a quick buck.
Not even on one of the guys who tried to take away healthcare insurance for millions of people just to make a quick buck.
What does his experience from over 40 or 50 years ago have to do with policies and standings he makes today? Where is the tipping point where we can stop praising him for his experiences well before many of us were born, and start judging him for his actions taken within the last few years, or months? Where is the point we can stop fetishizing his military career in favor of relevant decisions he has made to impact people today?
What does his skin color have to do with any of this? Shouldn't he get flack for what he did instead of being "white and old"?
Also, you're exaggerating, but I'm sure you realise that.
OG Shaka Zulu
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If possible, hopefully he recovers. If not I hope MLK is waiting for him and asks what his beef was over making MLK Day a national holiday.
Laughing Banana
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Cancer is a terrible thing that I wouldn't even wish for my biggest enemy, but some of you are acting like we all should now revere/respect McCain and treat him as some sort of this flawless human being because of it are just being silly.
Psychoward
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I don't think he needs to see MLK to explain what his thinking was at the time.
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