Peter Ian Staker
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To be fair they've been building up to those fantasy cliches forever. They kind of had to happen at some point.
Also D&D have hinted there will be a twist near the end
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Also D&D have hinted there will be a twist near the end
soundscream
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We're getting so far from where this all started. The point was it was obvious Jon wasn't going to stay dead at the end of season 5 because of that plot point.
Not even counting the red priestess who happened to return to the wall earlier, who had taken great intreast in another preist of her faith bringing someone back from the dead.
ComputerBlue
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Right, at that point it was extremely obvious. Sorry, I guess I should have followed the discussion as far back as it started before budding in.
No I'm your Ned Stark. I'm literally the guy who didn't want to be here and was happily doing something else. Then someone came up to me and told me that there were a bunch of deserters who just got caught, so I have stop what I was doing to go chop some heads off. It sucked.
Hah!
Gods bless. Really appreciate it.
And it's always directed at literal dipshits. Six seasons they've shown the White Walkers to be nothing more than monsters wanting to kill all living things. To swerve it at the end is cheap as balls. Every twist that's happened in this show could be followed (on rewatches) through a common sense trajectory (well except for Euron). Ned's death, the Red Wedding, Oberyn's death, Jon's betrayel, etc.
Dany is pretty good at being queen. And she's made it a point to not be like her father recently. She could have just killed Jon Snow... like everyone thought she would. I have zero doubt that Cersei would've killed him.
I really just blame Tyrion for everything that's gone wrong.
soundscream
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Nah she gets off on burning things. For the record I dont think the Mad queen thing will happen (im on Aunt/Nephew boning team) but they have set up Dany going rouge as a possibility.
TimeEffect
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I guess her dad's reputation just makes everyone on edge lol.
I assumed she was the hero alongside Jon considering Fire > Ice, but we know she wont end up on the throne and that it all goes to crap.
I think it happens when the dragons are taken to the House of the Undying and Jorah tells Dany to forget about them.
Who did she kill that didn't have it coming?
ComputerBlue
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What about the baby?
There's got to be something to that as well. Plenty of people think the WW's are doing good by ridding the world of the scum. Maybe in the end they'll allow a few to survive, Jon, Dany, Bran etc...The ones who naturally want to do good for mankind. Stupid and far fetched. But I don't think its that straight forward as you said.
Not to mention the NK was created by the children to forest to help fight the first men who were invading or destroying their lands.
soundscream
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The only thing Im sure of is Jon dies killing the night King.
Ocarina_117
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I believe anyone hoping for something other than a team up against the white walkers during the last season are going to be disappointed. GRRM set out to deconstruct the fantasy tropes introduced by Tolkein, one example being speaking out against Gandalf's resurrection having no ramifications to the character and the good vs evil motif.
D&D have already brought back Jon with no ramifications, so far. They've also made it clear the white walkers are evil - describing the night king as an embodiment of death in an interview.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/...on-7-will-the-night-king-ride-the-winds-of-w/
Subversion of tropes and truly shocking events, barring hodor (which we already know is a GRRM plot point) alongside Shireen's burning (which i hope to god is handled a lot differently) ceased at the conclusion of season 4.
The show is on a simple path to the end now. Theory discussion between episodes have become more complex than the show itself. I remember last season when everyone was discussing Arya's plan to defeat the waif and how she wouldn't simply parade in public inviting the attack. It tuned out she was in fact parading in public, inviting an attack.
Though a spy leaking information to Cersei would be interesting, I doubt it will be the case. Euron is a magic deus ex machina machine with teleporting ships brought into the show to level the playing field against Dany. I hope we do see him betray cersei at a point though, he was originally planning to take the Iron throne through force.
Edit - One twist I'm betting on happening is Jon Snow actually dying once the white walkers are defeated as the lord of light no longer needs him.
D&D have already brought back Jon with no ramifications, so far. They've also made it clear the white walkers are evil - describing the night king as an embodiment of death in an interview.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/...on-7-will-the-night-king-ride-the-winds-of-w/
Subversion of tropes and truly shocking events, barring hodor (which we already know is a GRRM plot point) alongside Shireen's burning (which i hope to god is handled a lot differently) ceased at the conclusion of season 4.
The show is on a simple path to the end now. Theory discussion between episodes have become more complex than the show itself. I remember last season when everyone was discussing Arya's plan to defeat the waif and how she wouldn't simply parade in public inviting the attack. It tuned out she was in fact parading in public, inviting an attack.
Though a spy leaking information to Cersei would be interesting, I doubt it will be the case. Euron is a magic deus ex machina machine with teleporting ships brought into the show to level the playing field against Dany. I hope we do see him betray cersei at a point though, he was originally planning to take the Iron throne through force.
Edit - One twist I'm betting on happening is Jon Snow actually dying once the white walkers are defeated as the lord of light no longer needs him.
Well they use the babies to make more Whitewalkers. But they didn't attempt to kill Sam (I think twice they had the opportunity)... they didn't try to kill Gilly. So it suggests that they're not just mindless killing machines.
Bran wakes from his dream and we are back to S1E1
So subversive.
Bran's banging Cersei and pushes Jaime out the window.
ComputerBlue
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Bran is Jaime's one eyed raven.
soundscream
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The nobles of Merren while not good people crucifing them contributed to the harpy rebellion. Ser Bereston advised her against it, if she followed his advice who knows what would have happened. She also isnt 100% on dont burn down kings landing, she has Tyrion trying to steer her in the right direction like he did in Mereen but if he wasnt there she might have gone and burned down those cities instead of killing 2 of the masters and letting 1 live.
Yeah, I feel like turning her into a Mad Queen would be kind of an insult to the character and her journey. Right now I see two possible outcomes for Dany: benevolent Queen sitting on the Iron Throne or sacrificial death to stop the white walkers. I'd like to see her on the throne, but I keep thinking that's too predictable for this show, so I'm regretfully leaning more toward the latter happening.
there's like 13 hours left and all the story lines are converging as the characters are coming together for the final amount of conflicts
My rule of thumb is, "would Ned have done this?" And he absolutely would have had those slave owning cunts executed. I agree that she didn't do the politically right thing by not forgiving them, but it was justified for what they did to those kids. I'm sorry for the one or two that didn't want those kids killed. But you play in that slave owning sand box, I don't care what happens to you when the hammer falls.
I always took her, "return their cities to dust" to be figurative. As they established in Yunkai and elsewhere, the slaves outnumber the masters by a large number. She ain't the Sand Snakes and she wouldn't kill the slaves to free the slaves lol.
Way to misunderstand what I said.
soundscream
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Doesnt Peter have top billing now?
They pretty much wiped out three houses in the first three episodes already. (Frey, Tyrell, Martell) and all the remaining storylines get quickly tied together now.
Doesn't seem so slow to me.
I was also thinking of the sacrificial death and maybe Jon on the Iron Throne. Dany has this conflict between claiming what's rightfully hers and working for the good of the people. There hasn't been a huge dilemma yet outside of not attacking King's Landing straight away, but when the White walkers arrive she probably has to choose.
Jon on his side has never wanted to be a leader, he didn't want to be Lord Commander of the night's watch, he didn't want to be King of the North and he definitely doesn't want to sit on the Iron throne. He has already sacrificed his life for the good of the people and there's the whole L+R=J which gives him some claim to the throne. I mean that could be it, that he is the rightful heir, born out of love and not arranged marriages.
ComputerBlue
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I think you have to take runtime into consideration.
This season total runtime is more like 8 episodes.
Episode 1: 59 minutes.
Episode 2: 59 minutes.
Episode 3: 63 minutes.
Episode 4: 50 minutes.
Episode 5: 59 minutes.
Episode 6: 71 minutes.
Episode 7: 81 minutes.
Episode 5: 59 minutes.
Episode 6: 71 minutes.
Episode 7: 81 minutes.
Next season will probably have some pretty long run times as well.
SporeCrawler
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at the moment cersei is much better off danaerys is worse off and well yara and ellaria are fucked. and olenna died which is a huge character
Well they originally wanted to do a 10 episode final season 7. So I assume we got a lot of the added stuff upfront. Now that we're on the last 10 tomorrow I think stuff is gonna move along at a faster pace.
soundscream
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They said based off the scripts we might have some 2 hr episodes.
soundscream
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Robdraggoo
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I always wondered if we HAVE seen her again but just didn't know it, we've never seen her face, she could be anyone.
soundscream
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If we had two full seasons I would have thought Jorah would have gone to her to cure his dragon scale. She was treating that guy preparing to go to Valaria when Jorah saw her a second time.
Yu Narukami
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Speaking of Bran what even is the three eyed raven's purpose?
To creep everyone out.
Seductivpancakes
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Be cryptic and creepy.
Yu Narukami
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He is pretty much Skynet now.
soundscream
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Emo tree wizard.
The Artisan
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LMAO!
Maybe fucking up Hodor (well pre-Hodor) got to him
EDIT: Also, he now sees lesser Amygdalas everywhere
To do all the things history determined he would do before he did them?
Dammit now I'm confused again. Let's just go with timey-wimey stuff.
Seductivpancakes
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Maybe he'll bring the ents!
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