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Ganon(dorf) through-out history - What will Zelda TP Ganon look like?
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First post, says it takes place several decades after Ocarina, but before Wind Waker.
Really, what was mentioned before would be the only appropriate ending to this game, and the only way I can think of that could top OoT's masterful finale.
First post, says it takes place several decades after Ocarina, but before Wind Waker.
Really, what was mentioned before would be the only appropriate ending to this game, and the only way I can think of that could top OoT's masterful finale.
Ganon has only had two parts of the Triforce so far which should give him great power but not the ability to change to world to his desires. Besides, his "real" whish and his entire character was changed with WW. Before that he was just a power hungry figure that desired absolute power.
With the dialogue in WW his character changed into a person who feel his people are being given nothing but dead and despair.. and want to change that to something better. It is that change I would like to see, I think it could be a really cool story with moral dilemmas and... like stuff...
With the dialogue in WW his character changed into a person who feel his people are being given nothing but dead and despair.. and want to change that to something better. It is that change I would like to see, I think it could be a really cool story with moral dilemmas and... like stuff...
Galactic Fork
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nubbe said:
Maybe the Twilight Princess is one of Ganon's people. Maybe the whole story will delve deeper into his people and his motives.
Duderz said:
I think, and I've said this countless times, that a prequel to OoT would be really damn cool. It could take place during the Unification Wars, and give a much more up-close look to what Ganondorf was talking about.
Plus there'd be opportunities for a different type of Zelda game if it was taking place in a freakin' warzone. Wasn't that how the Sheikah were all wiped out?
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Mejilan said:
But "mostly thieves" doesn't tell us anything about them, and we're looking at it from the side of the people who wiped them out right? Of course they'll make them seem like villains. What do we know about their culture?
What do we know about any of their cultures? I don't want a history book, just an engrossing videogame! But I hear what you're saying. I'd like the various lands and peoples to be expanded much like Ganondorf's character was in WW.
Your initial post, however, made it seem like we didn't know ANYTHING about the Gerudo. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Gerudo vs Hylian (or at least, Hyrulean) strife expanded upon.
Your initial post, however, made it seem like we didn't know ANYTHING about the Gerudo. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Gerudo vs Hylian (or at least, Hyrulean) strife expanded upon.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Mejilan said:
Didn't mean to make it seem like we didn't know anything. And we know a bit about the Hyrulian Mythology/History/Culture from game interaction and the instruction booklets. Just seems like all we now about the Gerudo is that they are thieves and were wiped out. So yeah, expanding the war would be good.
Does anybody know the definite Game continuity of the Zelda games that take place in Hyrule? (Not side stories like oracles or links awakening).
GreenGlowingGoo said:
This is the way I've come to know it:
Before OoT = 1st Zelda put to sleep by some wizard -> OoT -> MM -> TP -> TWW -> ALttP/LoZ -> AoL (1st Zelda awakened by Link when he finally defeats all of Ganon's minions and his own shadow).
Of course, the only one with real continuity is the OoT storyline (which Aonuma follows closely). The other stuff can be placed in sorta... wherever.
elektrotal
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i dunno, i'd fucking _love_ to play a game about the fall of ganon, from his perspective. Barring that, a return to the world of zelda 2.
AniHawk said:
Actually I've been hankering ta replay my Zelda games lately. So according to you I should go WW - LttP - LoZ? Where's Minish Cap fit in?
Mejilan said:
So its generic manly badass evil super powerful villian vs generic girly tragic evil super powerful villian? Go back ta Castlevania for your preppy baddies!
AniHawk said:
Or do I?
Lindsay said:
Here's the theory if you want to connect them:
In TWW, Link has the option of planting seeds around the oceanic former Hylian world. These seeds grow into the world of LttP, which can either be taken as a reimagining of LoZ or: after the events of LttP pass, Hyrule enters a period of decline. Years later, Link defeats Ganon for a final time and rescues Zelda. In AoL he awakens the first Zelda, who was put to sleep by a spell before even OoT. The series is called Legend of Zelda because each Hyrulean princess after her would be named Zelda until her awakening. At least, that's how I think it goes.
TWW Ganondorf was badass. What game were YOU playing?
Duderz said:
And her backstory is tragic no less! :lol
Zilch said:
That's true. I haven't played them all (mostly missed the handheld & MM games) but c'mon this is Ganon we're talking about. The megaton uber super villian of the show. Pussifiying him is like...well..... they've already pussified Link... so if Ganon is also going to be the same ya may as well call TP - Final Zelda X: Crossdressing Emo Princess.
AniHawk said:
So the first game in the series is the last timeline wise? And none of the Capcom Zeldas fit in? NoooOoOoOooo spoilerz from the start! x_x
I was playing WW. He was manly but sorta in the prissy sort of way. Its hard to describe! I'm just saying I don't want him to devolve any further!
AndoCalrissian
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AniHawk said:
That and the death of Link would likely lead to one of the most memorable video game moments of all time. Especially if there is a budding romance between Link and the one chick who was taking care of the horse at the spring. Imagine them going through the world and showing everyone's reactions or new life. Could be amazing.
Should I track down a copy of LA/LADX? Played it briefly when I was younger on a friends GB and I just plain didn't like it. But I was little/sucked/only played for short bits of time/etc and today everyone is in love with it. Then again I couldn't stand OOT either. What ever should I do?
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Nightbringer
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A remake of the classic Zelda storyline (LOZ or ALTTP) is needed for a good coherency of the series with Wind Waker.
Lindsay is the devil
And those of you trying to piece together any form of continuity for a japanese series developed over many years scares me. They can't even get continuity right in one game, much less a series (LOL ROFL CHEAP SHOT ON JAPANESE GAMES LOL)
Ganon in WW was probably the most appealing to me, I loved his design
Almost looked like he and the king would hang out and play chess while drinking red potion
Or maybe I'm just biased because WW had the best link-slipping-on-ice animation in videogamedom
And those of you trying to piece together any form of continuity for a japanese series developed over many years scares me. They can't even get continuity right in one game, much less a series (LOL ROFL CHEAP SHOT ON JAPANESE GAMES LOL)
Ganon in WW was probably the most appealing to me, I loved his design
Almost looked like he and the king would hang out and play chess while drinking red potion
Or maybe I'm just biased because WW had the best link-slipping-on-ice animation in videogamedom
Killa Sasa
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Kinda OT, but seeing the words Ganon and Gerudo made me remember the best song in OoT: the Gerudo valley theme. Listened to it for an hour straight once 
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.AniHawk said:
:lol I hope that was a joke.
I did like Ganondorf's clothes in WW, even though a kimono in a medieval-esque setting such as Zelda felt out of place. His design however was just as hideous as the nearly everything else in the game.
Agent Icebeezy said:
stfu
DieNgamers
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I agree that WW Ganon looked ugly. (and) Much too friendly.
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Zelda I started the tale
Zelda II was a direct sequel to Zelda I
Zelda: AlttP was the prequel to Zelda I
Zelda: LA was an epilogue to the AlttP Link
Zelda OoT was a prequel to AlttP. It is basically the Imprisoning War outlined in the AlttP manual.... Any differences can be explained by the fact that the manual is telling it as a mythic and legendary version of the real tale.
Zelda Oracle of Ages and Seasons.... no idea. Its own Zelda legend perhaps? AlttP or classic Link? Who knows.
Zelda Wind Waker is a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time (many years later). However, its events do not lead into AlttP very well, placing it in some sort of alternate reality to AlttP, unless some post-Wind Waker sequel comes along tying it together.....
Zelda Minish Cap is another one of those random Zelda legends.... it doesn't seem to necessarily fit anywhere..... It's another incarnation of Link and Zelda in Hyrule.
At this point I don't think Zelda will adhere to any strict timeline, but there is a loose continuity that has been observed from time to time. Some games are direct sequels or prequels to other games, but do not fit into a conlcusive Zelda timeline due to serious inconsistancies. Sometimes it's best to treat them as isolated "Zelda legends" with loose connections.
Zelda II was a direct sequel to Zelda I
Zelda: AlttP was the prequel to Zelda I
Zelda: LA was an epilogue to the AlttP Link
Zelda OoT was a prequel to AlttP. It is basically the Imprisoning War outlined in the AlttP manual.... Any differences can be explained by the fact that the manual is telling it as a mythic and legendary version of the real tale.
Zelda Oracle of Ages and Seasons.... no idea. Its own Zelda legend perhaps? AlttP or classic Link? Who knows.
Zelda Wind Waker is a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time (many years later). However, its events do not lead into AlttP very well, placing it in some sort of alternate reality to AlttP, unless some post-Wind Waker sequel comes along tying it together.....
Zelda Minish Cap is another one of those random Zelda legends.... it doesn't seem to necessarily fit anywhere..... It's another incarnation of Link and Zelda in Hyrule.
At this point I don't think Zelda will adhere to any strict timeline, but there is a loose continuity that has been observed from time to time. Some games are direct sequels or prequels to other games, but do not fit into a conlcusive Zelda timeline due to serious inconsistancies. Sometimes it's best to treat them as isolated "Zelda legends" with loose connections.
The zelda timeline stuff reminds me of Gamefaqs...
Anyway... Miyamoto made Zelda 1 for the NES it became a succes so he made Zelda two , etc. At the time OOT was released they used that as a starting point for new zelda installments. There isnt a huge overall story line. The only thing that they use over and over again is : Link , Zelda , Ganon , Triforce.
Or i'm totally wrong and they have a complete Zelda storyline back at NCL and sometimes they decide to release a part.
WW : Hundreds of years after OOT.
TP : Somewhere between OOT and WW.
The only thing that seemed odd when i played windwaker was that the ending screen just said:
Legend of Zelda(tm)
The end.
All the other Zelda titles after ALTTP have a subtitle in the ending screen. I think that Windwaker is the "last" zelda installment in the OOT timeline. They still have 300 years to fill thoug. And the alternate timezone that was created in OOT. Id love to see a Zelda 1 or 2 remake.
Anyway... Miyamoto made Zelda 1 for the NES it became a succes so he made Zelda two , etc. At the time OOT was released they used that as a starting point for new zelda installments. There isnt a huge overall story line. The only thing that they use over and over again is : Link , Zelda , Ganon , Triforce.
Or i'm totally wrong and they have a complete Zelda storyline back at NCL and sometimes they decide to release a part.
WW : Hundreds of years after OOT.
TP : Somewhere between OOT and WW.
The only thing that seemed odd when i played windwaker was that the ending screen just said:
Legend of Zelda(tm)
The end.
All the other Zelda titles after ALTTP have a subtitle in the ending screen. I think that Windwaker is the "last" zelda installment in the OOT timeline. They still have 300 years to fill thoug. And the alternate timezone that was created in OOT. Id love to see a Zelda 1 or 2 remake.
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