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JonathanEx said:
That's the gag - the setup for his return will be that the BBC needs to hire some pro-Brexit voices. Coogan himself is a remainer though so I'd imagine that'd come through in how poor Alan's arguments will be.
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coogan's a good boy, he knows what the deal is, i'm sure if/when alan partridge addresses brexit, he'll do it in an effacing and satirical sort of way.
 
JonathanEx said:
That's the gag - the setup for his return will be that the BBC needs to hire some pro-Brexit voices. Coogan himself is a remainer though so I'd imagine that'd come through in how poor Alan's arguments will be.
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Basically, think Stephen Colbert on the Colbert Repirt.

Also as mentioned, utterly fantastic OP. I'm tempted to suggest adding Maesters as 'the Papers'. Old, nominally full of wisdom, but not so good at assessing actual threats. That or Gordon Brown as Ned Stark, beheaded for trying to do the right thing (calling a bigot a bigot).
Edit: Extending this further, King Robert is Tony Blair - guy who people have mixed feelings about in terms of his legacy, and started a war on a false premise.
 
gun_haver said:
coogan's a good boy, he knows what the deal is, i'm sure if/when alan partridge addresses brexit, he'll do it in an effacing and satirical sort of way.
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Exactly. Hell, he announced the return and 'Partridge as voice of hard Brexit' in the New European, he know's what up.
 
Yey, all the Brexit goodness in one thread. What a shitshow.

I was listening to BBC radio 4 - its the only longwave radio station I can get in my car in English - and they had some fishermen rubbing their hands with glee at the EU losing access to the UK territorial waters. And of course their counterparts from across the water (Netherlands/Nordics) saying their fishermen will be out of jobs and something must be done etc..

It's hard to not sympathise with the UK fishermen as the quota system seems a little fucked, but it doesn't look like the UK government has ever given a shit since the GDP from fishing industry is like 0.01 or something.

Anyway interesting perspective on Brexit.
 
Wonder if we'll walk away in September. The Tories have no chance in negotiating a (good) deal, so maybe they'll just go nuclear, try to stir up national patriotism and just walk out.
 
Chinner said:
Wonder if we'll walk away in September. The Tories have no chance in negotiating a (good), so maybe they'll just go nuclear and try to stir up national patriotism.
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That was possible before the election, I feel. Now there's enough Tories out there who would be outraged by no deal that they'd vote against it and demand a resumption of talks.
 
Chinner said:
Wonder if we'll walk away in September. The Tories have no chance in negotiating a (good) deal, so maybe they'll just go nuclear, try to stir up national patriotism and just walk out.
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I wouldn't put it past them to grandstand like that.

But as always, if they do, they'll fold afterwards and continue looking fools for even having attempted such a thing.
 
Vagabundo said:
Yey, all the Brexit goodness in one thread. What a shitshow.

I was listening to BBC radio 4 - its the only longwave radio station I can get in my car in English - and they had some fishermen rubbing their hands with glee at the EU losing access to the UK territorial waters. And of course their counterparts from across the water (Netherlands/Nordics) saying their fishermen will be out of jobs and something must be done etc..

It's hard to not sympathise with the UK fishermen as the quota system seems a little fucked, but it doesn't look like the UK government has ever given a shit since the GDP from fishing industry is like 0.01 or something.

Anyway interesting perspective on Brexit.
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IIRC the UK also exports most of the fish it's fishermen catch, so its still a dumb move, because ok they will get better "control" over their waters, but no one to sell it to.

Plus, like you said the fishing industry makes up a tiny % of GDP, and employs only ~10k people in the whole country - the focus put on it has always been very disproportionate.

tuxfool said:
I wouldn't put it past them to grandstand like that.

But as always, if they do, they'll fold afterwards and continue looking fools for even having attempted such a thing.
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And people will continue to blame the EU for being "uncooperative" or something similar
 
Vagabundo said:
Yey, all the Brexit goodness in one thread. What a shitshow.

I was listening to BBC radio 4 - its the only longwave radio station I can get in my car in English - and they had some fishermen rubbing their hands with glee at the EU losing access to the UK territorial waters. And of course their counterparts from across the water (Netherlands/Nordics) saying their fishermen will be out of jobs and something must be done etc..

It's hard to not sympathise with the UK fishermen as the quota system seems a little fucked, but it doesn't look like the UK government has ever given a shit since the GDP from fishing industry is like 0.01 or something.

Anyway interesting perspective on Brexit.
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Nothing much will change. The Conservatives aren't going to give any new fishing quotas to local fishermen from the overwhelmingly Labour/SNP fishing ports, if they could continue to sell them to non-British fishing corporations for much more money.

And we'll be hit with tarrifs if we try any "Cod War II" funny business. The British don't eat much fish (unless it's cod/haddock and chips) and depend on the EU for their export market.
 
Camp Freddie said:
Nothing much will change. The Conservatives aren't going to give any new fishing quotas to local fishermen from the overwhelmingly Labour/SNP fishing ports, if they could continue to sell them to non-British fishing corporations for much more money.

And we'll be hit with tarrifs if we try any "Cod War II" funny business. The British don't eat much fish (unless it's cod/haddock and chips) and depend on the EU for their export market.
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that might change once people see how bent the cucumbers are...
 
TimmmV said:
IIRC the UK also exports most of the fish it's fishermen catch, so its still a dumb move, because ok they will get better "control" over their waters, but no one to sell it to.

Plus, like you said the fishing industry makes up a tiny % of GDP, and employs only ~10k people in the whole country - the focus put on it has always been very disproportionate.
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Camp Freddie said:
Nothing much will change. The Conservatives aren't going to give any new fishing quotas to local fishermen from the overwhelmingly Labour/SNP fishing ports, if they could continue to sell them to non-British fishing corporations for much more money.

And we'll be hit with tarrifs if we try any "Cod War II" funny business. The British don't eat much fish (unless it's cod/haddock and chips) and depend on the EU for their export market.
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I think the fishermen just glossed over the selling of the fish. I think they assume they'll still be able to sell them. Of course they could be far worse off, with loads of fish and no one interested in the stock. I could easily see the Tories using fishing rights as a bargaining chip.
 
Yes, it's hard to know what the Tories will do. On the one hand it doesn't matter, since the quotas won't change things drastically, only affect a tiny amount of our economy and the Tories are unlikely to take protectionist measures that "distort the free market".

On the other hand, it's one of those issues that cuts to the heart of the little Englander Brexit patriots. We're a maritime nation that "rules the waves" after all.
Since the Tories are all about token gestures (we will walk out of a bad deal!) and saving face while appearing to be tough - fishing rights would be hard for Davis to 'lose'.

The EU is likely to be more hardheaded and might even give Davis his fishing rights to let him save face with a token victory while he accepts something the EU values more highly and hurts the UK much more (such as restrictions on London's dominance of Euro-denominated trading).
 
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Labour confirms they will have a three-line whip against the Great Repeal Bill.
 
hodgy100 said:
well the UK did vote for brexit. it would be political suicide to completely oppose it.
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I hear this a lot and my reaction is "so what". As opposed to economic suicide? Good. Brexit was a mess entirely of the making of idiot politicians, Corbyn included. Wouldn't hurt for one of them to find their backbone and admit that we're making a huge mistake?

Is the job of government to enact the peoples' will, or to serve in the peoples' best interests? Not that the two are necessary mutually exclusive, but it's an interesting question. Is an MP being a good MP if they do what their constituents tell them to, even if it's objectively against their own interests?
 
theaface said:
I hear this a lot and my reaction is "so what". As opposed to economic suicide? Good. Brexit was a mess entirely of the making of idiot politicians, Corbyn included. Wouldn't hurt for one of them to find their backbone and admit that we're making a huge mistake?

Is the job of government to enact the peoples' will, or to serve in the peoples' best interests? Not that the two are necessary mutually exclusive, but it's an interesting question. Is an MP being a good MP if they do what their constituents tell them to, even if it's objectively against their own interests?
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So Labour do it and they become irrelevant for decade or two! I'd personally feel safer with a Labour brexit and then more leftist policies than them taking the fall and having to put up with more conservative policies.
 
hodgy100 said:
well the UK did vote for brexit. it would be political suicide to completely oppose it.
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It turns out leaving the EU is a more complex process than the Leave Campaign made it out to be. Turns out we don't just get an extra £350 million per week and everything is great.
 
Bronx-Man said:
Hold up, Jezza supports Brexit? What the fuck, homeboy was supposed to be our trans-Atlantic saviour
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Hence you'll realise why there was a lotta people struggling with the guy this time last year, myself included.

He's never been pro-Leave persay, but I think he's been quite critical of the EU over the years, and it seems quite likely he'd rather to be out of it, besides the economic suicide it actually entails. Add that to the Remain campaign fumbling the ball and people let a lot of blame rest on him. I still do really.
 
Nice to see Labour take a stand but I can't help thinking they just want to be on the right side of history when the shit hits the fan rather than actually trying to stop it or get the best outcome.
 
hodgy100 said:
So Labour do it and they become irrelevant for decade or two!
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Maybe they do and maybe they don't. The tide is turning and remain would win comfortably if the referendum was re-run today. It's hard not to wonder how much more the needle will continue to move as the Tories stumble drunkenly through the negotiations.

Ultimately, whether you're a pro-Remain or pro-Leave MP/Party, you're going to be alienating somebody. But I think we're past the point that people would simply turn their backs on Labour for a generation in significant numbers if Labour opposed Brexit.

The needle is moving, slowly but surely. The GE showed that people are already pretty sick of Brexit, and would rather their government focused on the day-to-day issues that affect ordinary peoples' lives. What has the government accomplished of any worth for the past 18 months? Not a jot.

My point is that peoples' opinions of a party or its leader are taking into account a breadth of issues that the Tories don't want to give them credit for. They'd rather try and make the next 5-10 years all about Brexit, to the detriment of actually governing domestic policy.

Maybe not right now, maybe in 9-12 months, but I think the point will come that speaking out against Brexit won't be anywhere near to a political death sentence. On the contrary, it will come as a quiet but meaningful sigh of relief to many. That is, assuming things continue to go as badly as they have been so far, which I've no reason to doubt.
 
theaface said:
Maybe they do and maybe they don't. The tide is turning and remain would win comfortably if the referendum was re-run today.
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This isn't true. There's been functionally no shift in the polling; every single poll I'm aware of since the referendum has been within the MoE of the referendum result. Leave would be more likely to win than Remain in an election held tomorrow.
 
When they announced the policy of seeking temporary single market membership with the possibility of staying in the single market forever depending on negotiation outcomes, the ratings didn't drop.
 
Royal_Phalanx said:
Aaaand it's Rees-Mogg who tops the list. Pretty much the embodiment of what I hate most about being in the UK- the traditional class system. If people elect him I have lost even more faith in the electorate.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why there's been some sort of surge in millenial popularity for Rees-Mogg - it feels like irony that's got out of hand.
 
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