Yeah, that's pretty cut and dried right there. Felix is gonna have to take an L for that one. I'm not sure what Youtube or Twitch policy is for that type of stuff, but I don't see any extenuating circumstances in that clip that suggest he shouldn't get the full punishment anybody else would get, whatever that is. Probably the video demonetized or taken down at the least, I would expect.
PewDiePie "What a f***ing n*****." out of frustration when his teammate dies.
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Pai Pai Master
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Here in America we are fine with casual racism as long as it brings in the $$$. They will not ban him unless he becomes a financial burden.
At the end of the day, he's still going to be making his money, top of the pile in a career which most people would kill for, with the ability to be financially self-sufficient for the rest of his life.
The guys who ran the rigged CSGO gambling sites are scot-free with healthy fanbases.
FineBros are still raking in the cash after their gambit to take over the entireity of the react videos genre.
No matter what mistake you make, in any walk of life, if you have enough money, power and influence, it's very unlikely you will ever face significant consequences for all but the most insanely heinous of actions.
The guys who ran the rigged CSGO gambling sites are scot-free with healthy fanbases.
FineBros are still raking in the cash after their gambit to take over the entireity of the react videos genre.
No matter what mistake you make, in any walk of life, if you have enough money, power and influence, it's very unlikely you will ever face significant consequences for all but the most insanely heinous of actions.
(At least) One of these is not like the others.
Earthpainting
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It's just a thing you do, man. Like how when you bump your elbow against a door frame, you just accidentally deny the holocaust.
Palette Swap
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Hey now, I almost invaded Poland after a game of Overwatch. That stuff happens.
I'm not trying to equate them with each other in terms of severity of wrongdoing - more that any sort of malicious behavior very rarely has any true consequences for those undertaking those behaviors.
Trickster
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I chuckled
Finale Fireworker
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One time, a guy fell off a huge ledge in Fallout 3 and compulsively quick-saved as he was falling. This ruined his save file because, every time he respawned, he would be mid-fall and die within seconds. At first his exclamations were benign, but as he died over and over again in such rapid succession, his exclamations became progressively more hostile and terrible. After an hour or so of constant and cyclical gaming upset, the guy became an unstoppable and twisted monster.
That guy's name? Steve Bannon.
That guy's name? Steve Bannon.
BLOODED_hands
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I can always count on the mods here and some users here to call out disgusting behavior on GAF. Y'all are the best 👍
I don't have much to say since most of y'all got it covered already, but I do still wanna say that he needs to be punished severely. What are we expecting in terms of punishment, y'all?
I don't have much to say since most of y'all got it covered already, but I do still wanna say that he needs to be punished severely. What are we expecting in terms of punishment, y'all?
You're gonna laugh (or maybe not) but there's an old expression not really used in french that, when you hit your elbow in that specific spot that renders it numb, in french it is/was called "hitting the little jew". I never knew why
I laughed, just a little, because this is actually likely a true story with Steve Bannon and WOW.
Except this happened on Twitch.
You know they dropped that motto around the beginning of the 2010s right? When they already realised they don fucked up.
Owned by Amazon.
ClosingADoor
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Apparently he was streaming on Youtube. He hasn't made the video archived like he normally does there.
Kill Your Masters
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I see. My bad.
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Did anyone of the usual suspects comment on this by now? I'd wager no, except for Boogie, master fencer, but maybe I missed something.
Reckheim
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Might lose a few sponsors but that's literally it.
What did you imagine would happen?
TheLostBigBoss
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If they do except them to skip the racial slur and make it about the bigger issue of DCMA takedowns.
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kopitarrulez_11
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Was gonna say online gaming is notorious for this people don't notice because game chat is none existent now with party chat
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Oh I absolutely do. In a way, that takedown timing was really unlucky, giving the usual people a huge area to project onto. TB probably was really happy about that.
kopitarrulez_11
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Because he was hilarious at first now he's just pissing people off and has become redundant
I mentioned it in the other thread but it's more concerning and saddening to see people continue to say on twitter and stuff" it's just words". Like I know they may idolize the guy but just take a step back and look at that statement. Essentially they are giving bullies, racists, anybody really the power to do whatever they want and putting the onus on the affected to "toughen" up.
uncelestial
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Wow. The shift from lowkey to highkey racism was almost seamless.
Was he hilarious? I always found him obnoxious, which seems to be the key in gaming streaming media to gain subscribers.
Yes, TB has chimed in with the usual fence sitting bullshit. He doesn't want to condemn pdp.
They absolutely should not. Spurious copyright claims are not the answer. Firewatch has had an express license on their site saying that they allow Let's Plays. They can't go back on that, which means that they're abusing the DMCA strikes of YouTube, putting them on par with Alex Mauer et al. DMCA is not a system that should be abused. In the case of Firewatch, who explicitly has written that Let's Plays are allowed, have no legal foundation to file a DMCA strike. Games that haven't, would have to take the legal stand-point that Let's Plays are in fact copyright infringement, and once and for all take the legal battle if Let's Plays can be allowed under Fair Use.
I don't think anyone wants that to go to court, and if that's not the intent of whoever files a DMCA strike on a Let's Play, then they are absolutely filing spurious copyright claims, which is illegal. If it isn't illegal, they're abusing the law to differentiate. That's not what DMCA is for. This should not be condoned.
BLOODED_hands
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Basically what you said :/ I don't trust the systems in place to.... Punish him properly: lose all sponsorships current and future, and for youtube/twitch to ban him for life = basically losing his job since most, if not, all jobs would more than likely fire anybody who has done the shit he has done. The dude doesn't deserve to have any kind of platform for his content.
clockworkinyou
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Lmao, your lawful neutral is showing.
..what? Abusing the DMCA system on YouTube, using unlawful DMCA take-downs and copyright strikes is not the way to go. You can't just break the law to further a cause you believe in. It's an important aspect of properly dealing with situations like this.
Brock Reiher
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I guess the distinction would be that whole they said Let's Plays are fine, having your brand be associated with a racist is a legitimate concern and absolutely hurts your brand.
ClosingADoor
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Which laws are being broken exactly?
Spoke to an actual lawyer, huh? Well, Lennard French, a copyright specialist attorney has expressed both on what he deems an "express license" on their website to be binding, and anyone who knows any development within Fair Use and Let's Plays knows that it's an untouched legal grey area that has yet to be definite. There is no legal ruling on the matter of Let's Plays, and no one wants to go there, because either side winning has huge implications for way too many things.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Why are you ignoring the part about this being lawful?
I didn't know but I guess success will do that.
MugiwaraCole
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You know why.
It is unlawful to make spurious DMCA claims. Claims that aren't founded in Copyright, but rather abuse YouTube's "Safe Harbor" provisions of DMCA.
Saying that Let's Plays on a whole is fine does not give them the ability to go back on their word. That's the whole point. You can't DMCA strike someone criticizing you on YouTube. If a type of content is allowed, you can't go back on your word when it suits you.
Stop acting as if Let's Plays have been ruled to be copyright infringement. That is not the case.
ClosingADoor
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If it is a legal grey area, why do you say it is unlawful? As it is, they are perfectly within their rights to have the video taken down if they want to. If PewDiePie wants to make a problem from that and force a court case, we might finally get that definitive answer.
I provide you with a license. You do stupid shit. I revoke that license. There is nothing illegal here.
Also, I don't think this little text from their site provides anyone with a never ending non-revocable license:
Its been looked in to, and Campo Santo are well within their legal rights to launch DMCA takedowns against PewDiePie. I hope they do. Its about time he was knocked down a notch or ten.
pottymouth
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That's the frightening part.
It is intent that makes the case. As I said before, it is abusing the law if you use a provision of a law only when you need it. That, or the intent should be to prove once and for all that Let's Plays copyright infringement, but something tells me that that's not what's going on here.
Just to clarify, it is not a legal grey area in the case of Firewatch, since they have what Lennard French has deemed an "express license" for players to create Let's Play of their games.
Even if the take downs were unlawful there is no greater reason to bend and break the law than to advance a morally and ethically righteous cause when the law is powerless to stop evil.
ClosingADoor
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So one lawyer says X, another says Y. Either way, it is not unlawful. PewDiePie can force a court case if he wants to. Lennard French is not a judge, he does not determine if it is unlawful or not. He just states his interpretation of the current situation. And that can be totally wrong.
He was on YouTube and I think he made the stream private
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