Whompa02
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You trying to make me laugh? YouTube blows at quality control...PieDiePie would be stripped if he wasn't bringing in so much ad revenue though. Sadly he's, "too big to fail" at this point...
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PewDiePie "What a f***ing n*****." out of frustration when his teammate dies.
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You trying to make me laugh? YouTube blows at quality control...PieDiePie would be stripped if he wasn't bringing in so much ad revenue though. Sadly he's, "too big to fail" at this point...
Fucking yes. I feel like so many people don't see through that, he's well up there in the "boy's club".
Both are also very true for Southeast Asian-American communities as well. To the point where if you were in a group of young black, Asian, latino, and even poor white teens and didn't use n***a, you would get side-eyed.
BlackGoku03
Member
F this dude. He knew it was wrong right after he said it then talked about how nobody will give a shit. Really, F this dude. There are kids watching you and thinking it's okay to say it because PDP said it. Ugh.
Yeah... my PSN name is BlackGoku03 and I get it all the time. I hear it every single time I play online (if the game allows mics). I'm not even that good in most of the games I play but after I headshot someone, I'll either get a racist message or they scream at me. But I've had this moniker for nearly 20 years, I'm not changing it.
Yeah... my PSN name is BlackGoku03 and I get it all the time. I hear it every single time I play online (if the game allows mics). I'm not even that good in most of the games I play but after I headshot someone, I'll either get a racist message or they scream at me. But I've had this moniker for nearly 20 years, I'm not changing it.
I'd have to assume not because he's so big. But hasn't PewDiePie been fighting with YouTube as well as of late? I think he'd be in more danger now than he might have been a while ago.
Love this initiative.
I wish more devs would do this.. But PDP brings a LOT of audience to games, so, realistically, I doubt wel`ll see more of this.
Whompa02
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You're assuming the people who don't find any problem with this actually have jobs or lives where their actions have any meaningful consequences. These people are dregs.
Fenderputty
Banned
"I don't want to admit the thing I like is shitty." the thread.
mariachi507
Member
Man, everytime I see something from this Boogie motherfucker I get mad. There's no "in the middle" when it comes TO FUCKING RACISM YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
Not everyone has a job at the White House....
apieceofstrange
Member
You hear a whole lot worse than this in the average PUBG lobby. I just mute the chat until I'm on the ground because there's almost always at least one person spewing racist or ignorant bullshit in every other match. Sadly, this has been a staple of online competitive shooters (and likely other genres) for as long as I can remember. People are assholes and so long as there are no consequences for their online actions, I'm not really sure what can be done about it.
Which is why it's important that PewDiePie feels the consequences now.
PDP's name should be synonymous with "that racist YouTuber" until he either makes a major effort to change and make it clear that his behaviour is not acceptable and should not be defended - not just an apology, he's been getting into these situations since the rape jokes five years ago, it's long past that point - or his career takes a major hit. Or, preferably, both.
5 years! Must be great getting away with shit like this when you're bringing in the $$$$ for the suits.
None of those people are sponsored businesses who're a meaningful influence on kids.
tbf to PUBG, the only time I've ever heard other people speak is in the lobby, but I muted that as soon as the game installed. It's the most quiet game imaginable and filled with a lot of moments of tension that group chat is never apart of. It's the only online game worth playing because I don't need to work with anyone or listen to anyone.
Must be nice to be touted as a children's entertainer and picked up by Disney when your entire career is founded on yelling "HE'S RAPING ME" into a microphone, and you're one racist slip-up away from going "oh fuck it I'll just deny climate change then".
Laughing all the way to the bank he is.
Fusion Pizza
Member
Exactly. Pewdie has a huuuuuuge reach. Average PUBG lobby player reaches all the people in the PUBG lobby.
Guest12345678
Member
So were my cousins being sexist even though some of them didnt even know what the word meant.
That's actually encouraging.
Someone close to me got involved with two alt-righters, I was going to make a GAF topic but this seemed kind of relevant to bring it up. I've found out more about these people and many here probably already know some things I will share but I will share some highlights.
These people are projecting; as the misinformation they feed on portrays blacks in a negative way, this helps them feel better about themselves.
One of the people I mentioned has children out of wedlock and has an unhealthy relationship with the mother, but looks down on blacks and black males claiming they ruin women lives, but this guy is ruining womens lives (like my friend), but in his head since he is a millionare, he thinks throwing money at the kids erases this negative aspect of his choices and behavior. The other guy who also shares similar views on blacks, had a sex addiction and was picking up multiple STDs while sleeping around, this is while he was with my friend.
They can not really hide it very well to people who take note of human interactions, you can appear NORMAL, but when you are surpressing something in yourself, it puts in you a state of tensity and its effects are different depending on the person. Your personality may remain static and not organically dynamic, what you do may heavily depend on how a person reacts. The person also may joke too much, and at times where the flow of the mood doesn't call for it etc. Just something about their social behavior is "off"
They sympathize with other scumbags like them, even if it makes them look bad.
They are manipulative, and push peoples' buttons for reactions and control. Its primarily control, control over the perception of reality to people in general and people in their personal lives.
They have (from what I can tell) mental issues, but not enough to excuse them from what they are doing, they can calculate plan and work evil having an understanding of it, but to them the greatest good if fufilling what they want, this is where the high victim complex comes from. I'd say these people are pretty much high functioning sociopaths, not sure what the cure is for that though. Only when a plan fails do you see the phychotic effects. My friend is very independent, but a bit too nice, they tried to take advantage of that but when her independent side gave them too much trouble they started losing their minds and having mental breakdowns, she said it was like they were throwing tantrums.
There are some other things, like there seems to be a lot of this in high society. But I'll leave it at that, want to finish by saying that imagine these guys getting into the education system, the political system, the police force, etc. Easy to see why America is in such a jam.
Yeah, unless the PUBG devs come out in defense of shitbags like PDP, I would definitely say give the game a chance. Turn off voice chat and you never have to worry about hearing any of the edgelords.
It's the only online game that I play and it's for the reasons you listed... you don't have to talk to any one or even listen to them, you can work a lone and still win and the tension of each match and the thrill of a win are pretty incredible
plagiarize
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Yes. Unknowingly, but yes. They were.
Pewdiepie is no where near as influential or renowned as Trump but I think the current reaction to his video and audio recorded use of the word is the same reaction we'd have seen had the alleged Apprentice tapes where Donald uses the word come out, just on a much smaller scale. They would have ran with the "heat of the moment" in the same manner as "locker-room talk".
Are you the type who is bringing your cousins into this argument as a shield and then going to whine when someone actually dares to criticize your family, who we don't know and have nothing on which to evaluate aside from what asshole things you told us? Hopefully not, but I've seen that routine more than once.
Your cousins shouldn't be screaming rape and it's insensitive for them to do that. They may not know any better and that's not their fault. But it's still wrong, and if they continue to grow up doing that and they learn what the words mean, then they will no longer have the excuse of being naive children. Your cousins might end up growing up to become bad people, as upsetting as that may be for you.
You know better though. Even if you're not willing to explain what rape is - you aren't their parents - you may want to take it on yourself to tell them that it's a hurtful word that they shouldn't be saying, or tell their parents what they've been saying and where they've gotten it from.
About as perfect explanation as any.
That word is different because we use words for criminal actions like "Murder", "Kill", "Steal", "Robbed" all the time in sports/gaming. Given this, using that word in context makes sense to a young male teenager because they're not going to be aware of the reasons not to do so. (i.e., kids aren't aware of the prevalance of sexual assault, how common it is to have victims and predators hidden around them, aren't growing up under the constant threat of adults males, etc.) You have to explain the reason using the word is a problem to them because kids are pretty sheltered from these elements of society.
On the other hand, no one is legitimately using the full unabridged N-word unaware of its context. Especially not a grown man.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
What I fucking hate about today's climate, is that I have to rationalize and justify having fucking empathy.
"Haha, stop being such a faggot"
"Hey dude, you shouldn't say that"
"Why not? You know I'm not a homophobe"
"Yeah, but you're saying stuff that homophobic people use against gay people to hurt them. Just have some empathy"
"It doesn't matter what I say; it's the intent that matters. If they get hurt by something I said that didn't have any bad intent, then it's not my fault"
I've had this argument, verbatim, like five different times with five different people over five different kinds of slurs, and yet they all still react the same way: "Why is empathy more important than my right to say a word?"
I've seen this reasoning all over Swedish social media the last day. "He's not a racist, he's just saying fucked up shit, which the mainstream media is twisting to turn him into some nazi".
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE IS, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT HE DOES, AND NOW HE DID SAY THE FUCKING N-WORD ON A STREAM, IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO NOT SAY THE WORD FFS.
"Haha, stop being such a faggot"
"Hey dude, you shouldn't say that"
"Why not? You know I'm not a homophobe"
"Yeah, but you're saying stuff that homophobic people use against gay people to hurt them. Just have some empathy"
"It doesn't matter what I say; it's the intent that matters. If they get hurt by something I said that didn't have any bad intent, then it's not my fault"
I've had this argument, verbatim, like five different times with five different people over five different kinds of slurs, and yet they all still react the same way: "Why is empathy more important than my right to say a word?"
I've seen this reasoning all over Swedish social media the last day. "He's not a racist, he's just saying fucked up shit, which the mainstream media is twisting to turn him into some nazi".
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE IS, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT HE DOES, AND NOW HE DID SAY THE FUCKING N-WORD ON A STREAM, IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO NOT SAY THE WORD FFS.
Guest12345678
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Im trying to argue in good faith and I understand its wrong which is why i had a talk with them and got them to stop. However I think intent and context plays an important role in deciding whether a person is sexist/racist or just ignorant. In my cousins case I would say theyre ignorant and in pewdepies case he was being racist.
apieceofstrange
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I know, but what we are seeing now is the product of the same root cause that has existed in online communities for over a decade now. Those ignorant 13 year old cod kids we all used to complain about on xbl are now grown men exhibiting the same behavior, and some of them went on to become streamers and youtube personalities. The fact that something of a defense force for them exists on a site like this is rather telling. I hope PDP feels the consequences of this, but it's unfortunately apparent that many people have been conditioned to see nothing wrong with this type of behavior.
KoopaTheCasual
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Are your cousins 27 year old multi-millionaires with expansive networks and resources at their fingertips?
And yes, they were being sexist. Glad you put a stop to that.
Guest12345678
Member
I think in those situations I say you may not be homophobic what you said was, which I stole from a poster on my campus, makes them feel less defensive.
perfectchaos007
Member
I think they would have taken it down, or at least demonetized the video, if he uploaded it on youtube. But this was apparently on a Twitch stream? So, the ball is in Twitch's court right now. Youtube of course has an indirect connection to the incident but I'm sure they won't do anything since he has 57 million subscribers and brings in a good chunk of ad revenue for the company
If they're ignorant they're ignorant, I'll agree with that much, but that just means that you should learn what you did was wrong. Your behaviour is not magically less harmful because you don't know any better. The infant that crawls into daddy's gun closet is still firing a bullet, and that bullet can still hit someone, ignorant as the baby is. Beyond that, ignorance is not a sustainable defense; you can't stay ignorant forever.
I don't think intent is even as valuable as that. PewDiePie's claim was that he was just thinking of the worst word he can, he didn't mean it as a racial slur. But why does that matter? He's still saying that the worst word he can think of is a word used to demean someone based on the colour of their skin. Being so lacking in empathy to others that you just passively demean them while trying to insult someone else isn't a defense in the first place; it means that he's so damn racist that he doesn't have to try.
Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between n***er and n***a and why is it considered ok (please note the ) using the latter?
To me (but as i said i am ignorant) it always felt and meant the same.
It always felt like got becoming gotta or going to becoming gonna.
Dont get how the n word could become ok by just replacing the last 2 letters with A.
I mean sometimes it is even hard to distinguish between er and a.
To me (but as i said i am ignorant) it always felt and meant the same.
It always felt like got becoming gotta or going to becoming gonna.
Dont get how the n word could become ok by just replacing the last 2 letters with A.
I mean sometimes it is even hard to distinguish between er and a.
PhantomThief
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I feel ya man. When the fuck did empathy go out the window.
-er is the original version, used exclusively as an insult.
-a is meant as a reclamation, reframing the word as a positive. I haven't seen the original reasoning, but I'd imagine it's from people who question why an insult based on their skin colour and race should continue to be an insult, because their skin colour and race is not bad. Not all black people are happy with the term, and it isn't for non-black people to use because it's not theirs to reclaim.
This doesnt make sense to me in all honesty. Both words seem like they are absolutely related to each other so just exchanging some letters really feels like a poor excuse to me.
Its like me or the gay community, deciding that faggot being changed to fagga or whatever is somehow reframing a racial slur to a positive one...
I mean come on black people using that word, whether its theirs or not, does no good to them. At least not to the eyes of ignorant people like me and I assure you 99% of non black people out there dont listen to n***a any different than n***er.
It is bad.
To me it really feels more like an excuse to justify the use of the word than anything else.
ClosingADoor
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He was streaming on Youtube. But they'll probably do nothing as always.
As a white person, just don't use both the terms. There is really no need for it and it is not our place to tell black people how to deal with a racial slur aimed at them.
It's like reframing "queer" from an insult to a positive, like gay people have actually done.
Moreover, who are you to police how black people describe themselves? I'm not black, so it's not my place either.
Elegant Weapon
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There's a big difference between my grandma calling me a nigga and your grandma calling me a nigger
context, intent
Depending on the person, I don't let anyone call me either
The word "Queer" has been "reclaimed" by the LGBT community as an umbrella term.
Much like with "-a", opinions on this are mixed.
Garou Densetsu Official
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Boogie has no backbone, he knows that if he ever took a stand against Pewdiepie he'll lose all of his supporters, sad.
On this addition:
There's a huge difference in the context between how the original word was originally used (by white people against the black people they oppressed) than how the revised word is used (by black people to their own community).
Black people don't need an excuse to use a word that describes black people. They aren't desperately trying to keep hold of the original word to hold themselves down.
That kid has some learning to do.
I am not trying to police anyone. I am just saying dont expect white asian or any other race making the distinction between these 2 words. They essentially mean/sound the same.
They can use the word however they want, thats not my issue or something i am about to police, I am just having a difficulty of justifying all the comments about how different it is. And i only saying dont expect most people to identify that huge difference. Before this thread i really felt both words were insulting. Now i know better, but it still doesnt sound cool to me.
Since they dont need an excuse why not use the original word then? Why the need for the a variant?
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