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[diaspora]

That kid really went to bat for his precious PewDiePie. He has a lot of growing to do.

"I think everyone's different-"

"Yeah, you're real different"

damn Korey.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Not the guy you quoted, but I live in a country where there are hardly any black people (when I lived in the capital I saw maybe one person per month, and they were probably tourists), so most of what I know of "black culture" is from the american media and the internet, and it's mostly hip-hop, nigga and stuff like that. I know it's not a good representation, but you can't blame someone if they never interacted with an african american, and that's how they see them.

What in the fuck

 

[FinalStageBoss]

lol saw this on reddit:

this couldn't be more on point tbh

 

[erlim]

Collin Kaepernick lost his livelyhood for taking a knee during the anthem trying to make an empassioned statement, PewDiePie walks on water being a perpetual racist brat thoughtlessly offending---these double standards need to be addressed in our society.

 

[tlop53]

Exactly, his wife called him a nigga during the LA show and they all just laughed it off like it was the funniest thing ever.

Martin always tell people not to do it, but girts said it shit was just awkward korey tends to do some bullshit on the show

 

[rjinaz]

And people say South Park spending years preaching about the middle didn't do harm.

I've watched SP since I Was in junior high school and somehow I managed to avoid being an in the middle moderate. I'm not going to say SP hasn't influenced youth but there hasn't been strictly in the middle doucheyness on that show in quite some time now. They were very left leaning in particular last season.

 

[HariKari]

Not the guy you quoted, but I live in a country where there are hardly any black people (when I lived in the capital I saw maybe one person per month, and they were probably tourists), so most of what I know of "black culture" is from the american media and the internet, and it's mostly hip-hop, nigga and stuff like that. I know it's not a good representation, but you can't blame someone if they never interacted with an african american, and that's how they see them.

PDP is Americanized and knows better. It's not an excuse.

 

[luulubuu]

who the fuck wouldnt allow you to play a game if you were trans though

 

[DragonQuarter]

Not the first time I've seen a Swedish dude use that word without a care in the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDOg07gku0g

 

[7DollarHagane]

Is he banned from pubg yet?

 

[jim2point0]

Stop using it.

Really, just stop. It's not hard. Replace it with 'douchebag' or 'assclown'. Or make up your own insult. I'm fond of 'douche bagel'.

You should really stop doing that. Nobody cares if it was less offensive at some point in your life or if you hate mentally challenged people.

Say the boss is frustrating, hard, annoying, etc. Dont call it "retarded." That's a really, REALLY shitty thing to do. So fucked up.

Yeah guys... I get it. I'm aware it's bad. My whole point was that there are words that I know I use just out of habit since, when I was a kid, they had different meanings. "Gay" is another one that comes to mind (though that one I haven't said since I was a kid). And that made me reflect on the PDP situation. But AngryJoe's post pretty much sums up my thoughts entirely.

And yeah, it's obviously something I've tried to curb. Having a kid helps, since you're already trying to not swear around them in general.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

lol saw this on reddit:

This sums it all up.

 

[rulerk1]

I used to give Boogie the benefit of the doubt but after hearing how he made a passionate plea for those to stop fat shaming I've definitely side eyeing him

 

[El Topo]

Looks to me like he is referring to other streamers being "caught in the middle" of this DMCA situation, because the precedent of taking down a video using DMCA might lead to a slippery slope that could impact other people down the road for saying things that are not as unacceptable as the n-word, but still controversial.

That makes more sense, but is still a poor train of thought. There is absolutely nothing new (or wrong) with a company that does not want to be linked to someone using racist slurs.
The cynic in me thinks that this guy is more interested in protecting his own business/bottom line. Mind you, as I posted earlier in this thread, I don't know much about him, so I'm not judging him here.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

who the fuck wouldnt allow you to play a game if you were trans though

That mental gymnastics to reach that point. Smh I am glad I never got into steamers and youtubers.

 

[Primethius]

lol saw this on reddit:

Lmao

Too true.

 

[Rellik]

Not the guy you quoted, but I live in a country where there are hardly any black people (when I lived in the capital I saw maybe one person per month, and they were probably tourists), so most of what I know of "black culture" is from the american media and the internet, and it's mostly hip-hop, nigga and stuff like that. I know it's not a good representation, but you can't blame someone if they never interacted with an african american, and that's how they see them.

That's a piss poor excuse.

I grew up in the town with the highest percentage of white people in the UK. We were near 90% and had 100% white in all my schools.

Not fucking once did I use the N word or think any less of anyone for being different to me. Growing up around white people doesn't make you a racist piece of shit.

 

[Kthulhu]

Was you also a racist?

No, but I was what you would call diet racist. Fortunately I've learned to be better since then.

I've been called out on it and have become less ignorant since then. It's not exactly a time I look upon fondly.

 

[fuzaco]

PDP is Americanized and knows better. It's not an excuse.

Oh, I didn't mean it for PDP. He obviously said it as insult, I'm absolutely not defending him, it was just an answer to the guy who didn't understand why the other guy would say "mah nigga" to his friends, and was wondering if he ever met any black people.

 

[AlexFlame116]

Where are all these alts coming from??? And how are they springing up so quickly?

Spoiler

Seriously it took me three to five months to get approved to actually post after I became a (junior) member of GAF. How are these guys spreading so quickly?

 

[jacobeid]

That's a piss poor excuse.

I grew up in the town with the highest percentage of white people in the UK. We were near 90% and had 100% white in all my schools.

Not fucking once did I use the N word or think any less of anyone for being different to me. Growing up around white people doesn't make you a racist piece of shit.

As an American in 2017, I'm not so sure anymore. Our country is fucked.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Not the guy you quoted, but I live in a country where there are hardly any black people (when I lived in the capital I saw maybe one person per month, and they were probably tourists), so most of what I know of "black culture" is from the american media and the internet, and it's mostly hip-hop, nigga and stuff like that. I know it's not a good representation, but you can't blame someone if they never interacted with an african american, and that's how they see them.

1) It's African American culture. Not black culture. Black people exist in mass outside of the US. There is a continent called Africa with lots of countries in it where millions of black people live and your ideal of "black culture" is way off base.

2) listening to hip hop and hearing nigga isn't an experience with black culture.

3) If your only experience with black peoplw is the internet maybe use that same technology to do some research? If you dont wanna be branded as a racist you can muster the effort. Everyone knows saying the n word is taboo if you arent black. This isnt some fucking hard thing to figure out.

 

[joe2187]

Not the guy you quoted, but I live in a country where there are hardly any black people (when I lived in the capital I saw maybe one person per month, and they were probably tourists), so most of what I know of "black culture" is from the american media and the internet, and it's mostly hip-hop, nigga and stuff like that. I know it's not a good representation, but you can't blame someone if they never interacted with an african american, and that's how they see them.

Another one for the "Racism is an american construct" tally board.

You live on the planet earth, you know what the word means, you know where it comes from you're not five years old.

 

[Jinfash]

lol saw this on reddit:

I'm trying to find this tweet to like/RT but I can't find it anywhere. Only screenshots of it by the guy himself. Link please.

 

[sjay1994]

Boogie's YouTube career has been just as disappointing as PDP's.

Yeah...

Kinda a shame since I did find his videos about his weight loss and taking things on the chin pretty inspirational and made me want to root for the guy.

This motherfucker...

As someone who brushed off the nazi controversy a few months back based on some really misleading shit in the report that started it all up... I'm really sorry I gave this fucking bastard the benefit of the doubt for one millisecond.

Ugh. The stink of shame feels like it permeates my whole being... damn.

Yeah...

Put me on that shame train to.

Even back when people just hated pewdiepie back in his early career, and despite not watching his content, I was pretty sure he was probably an all right dude off camera.

Even with the Nazi stuff, I defended him because despite them being shitty jokes I didn't think he was promoting Nazism.

But this...

Literally can't defend. As people pointed out "if that's the word you default too in a "heated gaming moment" then you obviously use it a lot of camera". Hell, you'd think he'd have the common sense to not try to be provocative after the Nazi shit and being the cause of the adpocalypse causing tons of middle tier channels troubles due to youtube becoming much stricter with ads, but nope.

He literally doesn't care. And while sure I might understand some peoples sentiment of "oh, I can't believe his career is ruined because of him saying a word" because the dismay of the destruction of a livelihood based on what you say is quite horrifying to think about

1) This shouldn't be a word you default to in anger, let alone use at all
2)He'll survive

He survived the WSJ assault on him, he'll probably survive this. That clip of that kid trying to apologize on his behalf proves this.

Other channels will probably suffer because of PDP's blatant stupidity and selfishness.

I'll finally say it

Fuck him.

 

[kewlmyc]

Exactly, his wife called him a nigga during the LA show and they all just laughed it off like it was the funniest thing ever.

Are you really making a point of his wife calling him a "nigga" jokingly compared to a big YouTuber saying "fucking nigger" as an insult? It's not even remotely the same thing.

 

[Aters]

Ignorance =/= innocence, dude.

It's not part of the current discussion because PDP is certainly not ignorant, he's just racist. But I'd say pop culture is not doing a good job here. The n word is cool, is badass, and it reaches places on the other side of the planet, where people probably never meet a black person in real life.

You live on the planet earth, you know what the word means, you know where it comes from you're not five years old.

Planet earth is bigger than you think and this western-centrism is getting tired. Many of you don't seem to realize that American pop culture reaches far more places than American history lessons.

 

[antitrop]

Yeah...

Kinda a shame since I did find his videos about his weight loss and taking things on the chin pretty inspirational and made me want to root for the guy.

Same. I became a fan when I first saw his Whiteboard story about his childhood and his issues with weight, but instantly unsubbed when he started speaking on Gamergate. He hasn't done anything in the last few years that would make me want to start taking him seriously again, he's only gotten worse.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Where are all these alts coming from??? And how are they springing up so quickly?

Spoiler

Seriously it took me three to five months to get approved to actually post after I became a (junior) member of GAF. How are these guys spreading so quickly?

I was approved in like 2 weeks. It really seems random honestly

 

[luulubuu]

That mental gymnastics to reach that point. Smh I am glad I never got into steamers and youtubers.

Today, in things that never happened;

dev team - We have this popular streamer who is super into the game and will give us free marketing, they are super loved in many communities and they have a deal with Disney Maker

Dev ceo - they?

dev team - Well, the person is nonbin-

Dev ceo- T H E Y ?!

 

[Crimson_Echidna]

 

[SomTervo]

Yeah guys... I get it. I'm aware it's bad. My whole point was that there are words that I know I use just out of habit since, when I was a kid, they had different meanings. "Gay" is another one that comes to mind (though that one I haven't said since I was a kid). And that made me reflect on the PDP situation. But AngryJoe's post pretty much sums up my thoughts entirely.

And yeah, it's obviously something I've tried to curb. Having a kid helps, since you're already trying to not swear around them in general.

People who use "gay" in the pejorative or as an exclamation being old enough to have kids... Whew

 

[Vlade]

I don't have a strong opinion on this DMCA issue, I haven't really spend much time thinking about it. I just read that tweet's thread, and I don't think that the the way most people here read that tweet makes sense in the context of that thread. Read it for yourself:

staging I'd give a 10, but the actual content is still pretty damn weak... like way to weak to be a deflection. should still serve to get a few highfives and get posted on some forums tho.

 

[ScriptedReality]

Delete

 

[sjay1994]

If you payed attention to their videos you would pick up on the subtle jokes they make about Trump, conservatives and the alt right. They don't they take hard political stances, but they are clearly liberal. They stopped making certain jokes in videos because it offended people, they do a good job without jumping into the fray.

I wouldn't call "Grand Wizard Wakka" subtle

But yeah they've been pretty clear on their thoughts on some issues, even if they don't directly speak out about them

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

It's not part of the current discussion because PDP is certainly not ignorant, he's just racist. But I'd say pop culture is not doing a good job here. The n word is cool, is badass, and it reaches places on the other side of the planet, where people probably never meet a black person in real life.



Planet earth is bigger than you think and this western-centrism is getting tired.

HUH?!!!!!

What are you trying to say here? I'm lost.

 

[Peltz]

this couldn't be more on point tbh

Hey man, don't paint broad strokes. I'm white and don't fall into that category. I condemn PDP completely and believe he's totally racist.

I'm just going to say it. I don't think using a racial slur is the same thing as being a racist. I do think that both are really awful, but also that being a racist is more awful than using a racial slur.

So behaving racist doesn't make you a racist?

 

[True Fire]

I'm just going to say it. I don't think using a racial slur is the same thing as being a racist. I do think that both are really awful, but also that being a racist is more awful than using a racial slur.

A little bit racist is still racist.

Racism is awful, but it's not like some unobtainable title that you need to be awful to earn. It just is what it is.

 

[ChazGW7]

I'm trying to find this tweet to like/RT but I can't find it anywhere. Only screenshots of it by the guy himself. Link please.

https://twitter.com/WellieBoyce/status/907016416473235457

 

[GavinUK86]

Also just so we're clear on the money involved - Twitch streamer lirik who is mentioned in this thread has ~20,000k subscribers paying between $5-$25 a month for a subscription.

Twitch takes $2 of a $5 sub, leaving the streamer with $3 per month from each sub. Assuming that every sub is $5 (so ignoring that some are up to $25) - Lirik makes $60,000 a month from subscribers alone. He gets in neighborhood of $10000 in donations a month, so $70,000 a month total.

That's $840,000+ a year just off of Twitch.

holy fucking shit balls

 

[fuzaco]

3) If your only experience with black peoplw is the internet maybe use that same technology to do some research? If you dont wanna be branded as a racist you can muster the effort. Everyone knows saying the n word is taboo if you arent black. This isnt some fucking hard thing to figure out.

What I'm saying is, not everybody knows. Racism against black people is non-existent in my country (there is a lot of racism against gypsyes though), so if I only knew the n-word from songs and movies, I wouldn't know it was bad.

 

[Sianos]

saying "but both sides" - ignoring the fact that they are rather intentionally not defining what the 'sides' are in any given case and the fact that a motte-and-bailey substitution is often employed - "do things that are wrong" as if it is somehow a defense is a textbook example of the tu quoque fallacy

 

[ScriptedReality]

You know this meme is usually followed up by something ignorant.

This now belongs to you.

I'm just going to say it. I don't think using a racial slur is the same thing as being a racist. I do think that both are really awful, but also that being a racist is more awful than using a racial slur.

 

[Interfectum]

lol saw this on reddit:

 

[Aters]

HUH?!!!!!

What are you trying to say here? I'm lost.

I'm saying n word is bad and it should not be presented in pop culture.

 

[shadow_shogun]

Are you really making a point of his wife calling him a "nigga" jokingly compared to a big YouTuber saying "fucking nigger" as an insult? It's not even remotely the same thing.

It doesn't matter if she was joking or not, you do not call a black man or woman a nigga most especially if you're of a different race. Korey stated during the LA show that she's always saying "quit being weird, nigga" all the time to him and he's doesn't get upset when she does. That's not right at all.

 

[kmax]

I'm just going to say it. I don't think using a racial slur is the same thing as being a racist. I do think that both are really awful, but also that being a racist is more awful than using a racial slur.

Saying a racial slur may or may not make you a racist. That depends on the context and the person using it.

Not caring about using it is a whole different ballgame. To say stuff like "the people who watch this don't care anyway" to validate their bs views is racist as fuck.

 

[that_dude_guy]

I'm not one to demonize anyone arbitrarily for saying something that they wish they could take back.

But no matter the source of PDP's decision to use those words, he should denounce his use of them, internalize the reasoning behind not using them, and hopefully reduce their noise in the future. Otherwise, he will push forward normalization of using them.

There is no middle ground here, and nationality is no shield. He used his pulpit to spout hate speech (FFS off-handedly!) and should not be able to shrug it off.

 

[base_two]

Over time I've slowly removed the term completely from my vocabulary mostly because I got tired of the "how come you can say it but I can't???" excuse, as if co-opting a racial slur into a term of empowerment is some kind of reverse discrimination. It's really difficult actually to not get the impression that a lot of non-AA folks feel angry about not being able to use a term that they deem to be cool and hip or whatever. Maybe we should all blame Chappelle for making it seem like such a hilarious thing to say to people.

The bottom line is the intent behind any word or term is what's important and if you're not African American it's not something that you should ever say since there's not going to be an applicable non-offensive intent for using it.

The bolded is key. I use the n-word from time to time as its ingrained in our culture's (I'm black) vernacular, but there's really no reason for non-black people to legitimately and casually use the word.

Depending on tone and context, nigga means a lot of things within the black community. Sometimes it's synonymous with brother/sister, to address people you dislike/hate, and other times there's a behavioral context we use the word in. There's even a classist context to the use of the word amongst black people. Most white people do not get the context other than to oppress or emulate and that leads to some making the error of trying to use the word as if it belongs in their vocabulary.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

What I'm saying is, not everybody knows. Racism against black people is non-existent in my country (there is a lot of racism against gypsyes though), so if I only knew the n-word from songs and movies, I wouldn't know it was bad.

Yes you would. Because it's so obvious in movies and music that it's only ever black people using it and white peoplw nevwr say it or utter it to black people. You never magically picked up on that?