No, no it does not. And it shouldn't be swept under the rug as such. People need to stop letting WHITE SUPREMACISTS fall back on ambiguity. This wasn't a fucking coincidence.
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"'Destiny 2' Included a Legendary Gauntlet With a White Supremacist Logo"
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BuggyDClown
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I agree fully on everything here. Thank you for engaging me on what I was attempting to contribute to a conversation that had become limited in scope.
I mean you say this, but I'm a progressive activist. I've never heard of or seen it before. I produce a progressive immigration podcast, work for an immigration non-profit and go to every march/ect there is. Still nothing. So I think that's a big blanket statement. Maybe I'm just a leftist who isn't aware?
I mean, dumber things have happened, on google image I never go to the origin site. I always just click the image then right click and save as source.
Again, as I have said, I was literally just trying to question the idea being presented more than once in this thread of "it's impossible this was not intended". So I was simply attempting to entertain the possibility. Turns out, it's a little easier than we all might realize.
Audioboxer
Member
Hunting down? What is this? An episode of 24 with Jack Bauer?
The correct and responsible move was to acknowledge a vocal response on the internet and patch out something that is completely irrelevant to gameplay, an armours pattern. It's gone, no one should feel they're now wearing a kek flag. Internally they can go and check the creation history and ask some basic questions, or even laugh at a very unfortunate coincidence if it turns out many in this threads feared creator is not some 4chan neckbeard.
Blam
Member
It's because that "flag" was made on 4chan, as a alternative version of Pakistan where it's ruled by Pepe I believe? I can't remember the exact details, but I do know it's supposed to be an alternative version of Pakistan.
So...hunt the person responsible down?
Complicated
Banned
You seem to be insinuating some kind of agenda within Bungie. I'm just wondering why it wasn't caught before the game shipped. No need for conspiracy theories.
l2ounD
Member
You're being too reasonable, we need to look at the credits and find all the artists and look at their history. Make a ruckus and make sure they never work again.
Grand Wizard class.
BuggyDClown
Member
This is the dumbest fucking this I have read all day. People suck.
Well, historically white people take things for their own use and make it worse for everyone else so really it's just the alt-right taking pride in their heritage.
bizzarewars
Banned
All of them are pretty fun to play, although I've heard people say that Hunter isn't as fun to play as it once was.
I haven't rolled a Hunter yet though, so don't take my word for it.
Okay. Any reason over Titan?
Acerac
Banned
That's a very good point I hadn't considered, if they just ask the creator if he goes to 4chan he has to tell the truth. It is Bungie after all, and I don't believe their employees are allowed to lie to their supervisors.
What is this, an episode of 24 with Jack Bauer?
This seems like a Chloe thing but Jack can go yell at some motherfuckers while she checks the change log
I think they get to throw flaming hammers
Weltall Zero
Member
Agreed, people are assigining it being intentional a 100% chance. If I had to give an estimate, it would be in the 70% range. Of course, the issue is that this means there's a 70% chance that the artist knew it could appeal to that 30% chance if he was discovered. It would be interesting if Bungie could perform an investigation on their own and find more evidence (say, if designer that made it also used to browse to 4chan from the office).
That said:
You would be surprised what things that are "fucking stupid" people do regularly. If this was indeed intentional, we'd be talking about a white supremacist AND 4channer; assuming any limits on their idiocy would be unwise.
So did other cultures. Don't generalize.
You would be surprised what things that are "fucking stupid" people do regularly. If this was indeed intentional, we'd be talking about a white supremacist AND 4channer; assuming any limits on their idiocy would be unwise.
No artist would be stupid enough to insert pornography into a child's cartoon
Weltall Zero
Member
No, you can't. Don't be fucking ridiculous.
MaximusPayne
Member
Looking again. Does that middle shape on the gauntlets have an extra line? Its not even an E. Being devil's advocate, you think the designer designed it and it looks differently when applied? If there was alternative motive, that's just fucked up.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Kekis-the-what? I had not idea this was a... thing. I bet it's just an unfortunate coincidence. No way a group of people like Bungie has white supremacists among them.
Sometimes, I'm just glad I'm not up to date with memes. Like, what the hell is kek?
Sometimes, I'm just glad I'm not up to date with memes. Like, what the hell is kek?
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
ahahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAH
no
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/10/ardian-syaf-marvel-artist-promoted-anti-christian-/
Name one.
I'm white, too. Just poking fun at the alt-right, but I can edit my post if needed.
Audioboxer
Member
It would make for an interesting episode of 24! Jack Bauer infiltrating Bungie HQ to hunt down a graphics designer with a trap of Mountain Dew and Doritos. Once trapped, he interrogates them, with force, to see if they part-time as a Grand Wizard. I mean, only a company full of Grand Wizard's would put lootboxes in a $60 game. I have my suspicions.
Anyway, new season 24 plot material aside, my original post did open with "People actually think there isn't even a 1% chance this was an unfortunate coincidence?". Followed by a brief explanation of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia and finishing on "The correct and responsible move was to acknowledge a vocal response on the internet and patch out".
I never said this couldn't be malicious, but questioned some people seemingly 100% certain, without a doubt, it couldn't be an unfortunate coincidence and a career firing was already set in stone. I clicked this topic because the title caught my eye and I thought "it's going to be a swastika design of some sorts". The kek flag mixed with the requirements to jumble up the current design, ignore a line and piece it together just make the whole thing even more obscure. I seriously doubt most of the world knows what the heck a kek flag is. People are heavily educated on the Nazis from childhood, and the swastika is probably one of the most recognisable logos worldwide. You can actually google "accidental or unfortunate swastika" and see designs/things that, unfortunately, accidentally resemble what is arguably the worst iconography known to man.
OverBlood 3
Banned
Prove to me this was at the hands of WHITE SUPREMACISTS and not a coincidence.
I'd rather get a little more perspective on things before we dox the designer like someone suggested.
Like I already said, to me, they look like military rank insignia but I'm not denying the resemblance. I'd give them the benefit of doubt at this point.
A tryhard post that borders on parody. You're not cute.
Acerac
Banned
Do you base this on anything other than pure conjecture? Do you know it in your heart, like my mother knows that Trump is a great guy deep down?
Oh it's just a parody? I suppose that makes more sense.
Poe's Law can be a tricky one at times.
Lazlo Woodbine
Member
I should have been more clear, sorry. I just don't understand how the studio at large would lack the resources to vet their designs, have those checks and balances, for just copyright reasons alone.
I'm not in the industry but I do realise deadlines and job realities - as people are eager to point out to me - often preclude the kind of scrutiny I guess I expected from a title with over a 1000 people working on it.
It's immaterial. As someone with a rudimentary appreciation for art/copyright etc, I would expect on a project like this for everything to be approved in mind numbingly forensic detail; have an established brief for assets like iconography.
I know, re-jigged the post in the wrong order.
Messofanego
Banned
I said leftists aware of alt-right symbols. You're not aware of them, which is fine! We just disagree on whether it was intentional or not. I wasn't speaking for all leftists or progressives, because not all of them are up to date with internet far right trolls. I didn't know much about 4chan and alt-right stuff until a couple of years ago thanks to Youtubers like Hbomberguy, Contrapoints, Shaun and Jen, etc who do videos about them and political threads here.
Contrapoints mentions in her video that alt right people use innocuous symbols so they can hide it under the noses of normal people. If people not aware are confused, that's part of the point.
Revolutionary
Member
Alright, it's still in the game after the patch and can be Inspected like normal, but it doesn't seem to display on your character in the Tower when you have it equipped. It shows up as a variant of Dead End Cure 2.1
So I guess that's the band-aid solution until they redo the textures or whatever.
So I guess that's the band-aid solution until they redo the textures or whatever.
DrROBschiz
Member
To those who think it's a coincidence
I don't think it's any secret that gamergaters, 4channers, etc exist within game companies
Like c'mon
That's the damn origin of many of the arguments and controversial topics of the past couple years
I'm having a hard time believing that the artist wasn't trying to whistle to his base and was hoping it was obscure enough to not be noticed
Or maybe he intended for it to be uncovered eventually to stir the same shit they always do
Invoke "over reactions" and give their members a new Target to mull over
Look I won't deny that this could also be a matter of ignorance. Maybe this guy was really into kek jokes and lore and made this before they flew the flag at Charlottesville but hell that's not a good look either
I don't think it's any secret that gamergaters, 4channers, etc exist within game companies
Like c'mon
That's the damn origin of many of the arguments and controversial topics of the past couple years
I'm having a hard time believing that the artist wasn't trying to whistle to his base and was hoping it was obscure enough to not be noticed
Or maybe he intended for it to be uncovered eventually to stir the same shit they always do
Invoke "over reactions" and give their members a new Target to mull over
Look I won't deny that this could also be a matter of ignorance. Maybe this guy was really into kek jokes and lore and made this before they flew the flag at Charlottesville but hell that's not a good look either
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thepotatoman
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The flag itself is designed to troll on ambiguity.
Ruining someone's life over a coincidence is obviously bad, but the alternative of ignoring thousands of racist things just because 10 of them might be coincidental seems bad to me too.
If the guy comes out and says it's a coincidence and says something wishy-washy like "i denounce hatred on all sides", you're probably going to hear a lot of people want to accept it as coincidence and they will be wrong to, because that's exactly how white supremacy has lived on.
If he says it's a coincidence and fuck the alt right, then I think he probably deserves a pass.
BuggyDClown
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That's a very small group then. Also, I don't think we disagree. I have said that it's likely intentional. I just know that no one here can actually know for sure what happened. So we should maybe not talk about hunting people down and using definite terms.
Weltall Zero
Member
That's amazing, I had no clue.
Love this from his Wikipedia page:
He also played the "I have Jewish and Christian friends" card. I guess that since bigots don't really think they're bigoted or that including these things is bad, they're actually more likely to do so without worrying for consequences. This may be the case here too.
To be clear, I do not support the artist who snuck this into Destiny 2. I do not support hate, racism, or any of that garbage. I do however want to address your simplistic response implying that white people are the only race capable of being assholes. I'd like to point out some horrible, racially motivated atrocities committed by groups who weren't of western European descent...
The Ottoman Empire's genocide of Armenians.
The Khmer Rouge regime's genocide in Cambodia.
The Nanking massacre commited against Chinese by the Empire of Japan.
There are other examples. Countless. Humans can be great or shitty. No one race has a monopoly on hatred and bigotry.
They also tend to try and confuse it by creating false flag symbols, like the OK hand signal brouhaha.
And like I said, ambiguity is the name of the game. These asshole thrive in the grey area now. You sitting back wondering where the clan hoods are only helps them. And after all this Gamergate nonsense, you really don't think there aren't any WS in the gaming industry? You keep straddling that fence, though.
Narpas Sword0
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I guess this post just gets to sit here huh?
Look up Ardian Syaf.