The Kiseki / Trails (of the Sky/Zero/Ao/Sen/Etc) Community Thread: SPOILERTAGS OR DIE
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Where's my YAAAAAS?
ShadowSoldier89
Member
nothing better than more Carrie Keranan
also more importantly, fixing Irina, Scarlett, and Vulcan's silence in two
also more importantly, fixing Irina, Scarlett, and Vulcan's silence in two
encephalon
Member
Before I found out that Radio Trista has moved/expanded into Leeves.
Is this actually confirmed? In the actual interview I read 'See for yourself [whether it really ends]. (laughs)'.
Oh no...
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Oh yea! All those students actually have lines in important scenes, haven't they? Excitement!
We only got Ferris and a bunch of generic noble students in CS1, haha.
They'll be dubbing new lines for CS1 during the CS2 recording sessions and patching them in. Definitive versions just got more definitive (or will in the future).
They don't know.
Novel Mike
Member
Going back to this just reviewing things from CS2 I would be deeply surprised if the whole game or even a large majority (like greater then 70% of the game) was spent in Western Erebonia for a few reasons which I'll put in spoilers below...
Spoilers for all of Cold Steel 1/2 including the new game plus stuff and Characters that have already been revealed for CS3.
Several mysteries are left to be properly resolved in Eastern Erebonia...
So first is Lohengrin Castle and its former Divine Knight. Granted the most likely conclusion would be that the story might actually be finished there and the reason the DK is now gone is because someone was able to Awaken it... Besides Class 7 the only other person we know that could be, if it was resent would be the Steel Maiden Herself Arianrhod... Which would make sense as when Lohengrin castle lights up on that very night it is STRIKINGLY similar to what happens when the Old Schoolhouse ends up doing the same thing in the final chapter of CS1. It would at least explain why on that night the castle 'activated' and why Arianrhod was there and since she is showing up in CS3... I'm expecting Rean is going to get his Ashen ass handed to him if that is indeed the case. It is possible that the DK was previously removed and could even be the Palatinate Knight that was destroyed during that very war. Seems to be likely being one of these two cases with my money on the former.
Second is Thomas and Rosine. The CS2 NG+ content is pretty much all about revealing them as being apart of the Gralsritter and telling the true story of the War of the Lions. Thomas asking Rean to work with them is also unresolved and I don't think we've really seen much of either of them in CS3 as of yet if at all which to me suggests they likely play a big role but likely in the latter half of the game. Heres hoping both end up playable. Also its already been revealed that Barkhorn is actually in CS3 and it seems likely that Gaius has joined the Gralsritter (likely as a squire to Barkhorn) if he wasn't one already and hes covering the west it'd be very odd to have the NG+ scene revealing Thomas/Rosine if they weren't going to play some part, and they cover the east.
Third is the two Sept-Terrions within Erebonia which also is linked to Thomas and Rosine. I'm going to assume the one of fire is within the Vermillion Palace/Heimdallr due to the events of CS2 but despite everything that happens in those games it has not revealed itself. On top of that there is another one within Erebonia which we don't know what it is or where... While this doesn't directly relate to the east of the continent it could very well be anywhere... If I had to guess its the Sept-Terrion of time which is why suddenly we have several dead people coming back to life... Might end up explaining Osborne as well.
Fourth would be the Nord Highlands and the giant mech/statue that it had. It's a mystery that has yet to be properly touched upon and at the very least if Nord ends up being ignored I think its likely we'll end up seeing Byronia island as it also had a similar one according to CS1.
Fifth would be unresolved character interactions. I have a hard time believing we'll end up missing out on seeing Ymir when Rean still needs to confront his foster father, not to mention Jusis and his father, Elliot and his father, and the various characters of Thors from CS1/2 that all many of those cities home.
So first is Lohengrin Castle and its former Divine Knight. Granted the most likely conclusion would be that the story might actually be finished there and the reason the DK is now gone is because someone was able to Awaken it... Besides Class 7 the only other person we know that could be, if it was resent would be the Steel Maiden Herself Arianrhod... Which would make sense as when Lohengrin castle lights up on that very night it is STRIKINGLY similar to what happens when the Old Schoolhouse ends up doing the same thing in the final chapter of CS1. It would at least explain why on that night the castle 'activated' and why Arianrhod was there and since she is showing up in CS3... I'm expecting Rean is going to get his Ashen ass handed to him if that is indeed the case. It is possible that the DK was previously removed and could even be the Palatinate Knight that was destroyed during that very war. Seems to be likely being one of these two cases with my money on the former.
Second is Thomas and Rosine. The CS2 NG+ content is pretty much all about revealing them as being apart of the Gralsritter and telling the true story of the War of the Lions. Thomas asking Rean to work with them is also unresolved and I don't think we've really seen much of either of them in CS3 as of yet if at all which to me suggests they likely play a big role but likely in the latter half of the game. Heres hoping both end up playable. Also its already been revealed that Barkhorn is actually in CS3 and it seems likely that Gaius has joined the Gralsritter (likely as a squire to Barkhorn) if he wasn't one already and hes covering the west it'd be very odd to have the NG+ scene revealing Thomas/Rosine if they weren't going to play some part, and they cover the east.
Third is the two Sept-Terrions within Erebonia which also is linked to Thomas and Rosine. I'm going to assume the one of fire is within the Vermillion Palace/Heimdallr due to the events of CS2 but despite everything that happens in those games it has not revealed itself. On top of that there is another one within Erebonia which we don't know what it is or where... While this doesn't directly relate to the east of the continent it could very well be anywhere... If I had to guess its the Sept-Terrion of time which is why suddenly we have several dead people coming back to life... Might end up explaining Osborne as well.
Fourth would be the Nord Highlands and the giant mech/statue that it had. It's a mystery that has yet to be properly touched upon and at the very least if Nord ends up being ignored I think its likely we'll end up seeing Byronia island as it also had a similar one according to CS1.
Fifth would be unresolved character interactions. I have a hard time believing we'll end up missing out on seeing Ymir when Rean still needs to confront his foster father, not to mention Jusis and his father, Elliot and his father, and the various characters of Thors from CS1/2 that all many of those cities home.
It would just seem odd to me if all of these things get resolved in some major or minor way and it all takes place on the western side of the map. I don't think we'll be spending a crazy amount of time in the east but I think the second half of the game is likely to feature at least a few key locations at the very least. This is excluding Crossbell of course but I get the feeling this game world will be extremely big.
OTL
Scrooge McDuck
Member
They'd probably get them in that PS4 port thing, anyway.
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
Gu4n twitted Musse's and Ash's Craft lists, and they look kind of insane: https://twitter.com/Gu4n/status/910967714918871040
Of particular note are Melty Bullet (Class S damage, hits all, has a 90% chance of inflicting a new ailment called Charm, costs 30 CP) and Acid Rage (STR +50% for 3 turns on self, 50 CP per turn for 2 turns on self, costs 10 CP). The power level makes me wonder if they are going to be guest characters, playable only for a short while.
Of particular note are Melty Bullet (Class S damage, hits all, has a 90% chance of inflicting a new ailment called Charm, costs 30 CP) and Acid Rage (STR +50% for 3 turns on self, 50 CP per turn for 2 turns on self, costs 10 CP). The power level makes me wonder if they are going to be guest characters, playable only for a short while.
Melty Bullet is pretty much in line with other powerful AoE skills present in CS1/2, but Acid Charge looks disgusting. 10CP for what basically amounts to +90CP and a significant strength buff? Something's up with him for sure.
Also, did anyone notice that Rean lost Motivate? Hmmmmmm....
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
I'm glad they decided to a more powerful Wild Rage than kept it from Gaius.
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
No way. I can't think of a single Craft that would target all enemies in the first two CS games, much less of one priced at 30 CP. You'd spend 40 or 45 CP to hit an L-size area, and you'd like it. Melty Bullet is one letter grade away from being an S-Craft.
The Kiseki wiki has Juna's and Kurt's Crafts too, and they look quite a bit weaker than Melty Bullet and more in line with what the old Class VII used to have.
Cross Break - Class B damage, targets an M-size area, Impedes, has a 30% chance to inflict Faint, costs 30 CP.
Rain Slash - Class A damage, targets a line (S+), inflicts 10 points of Delay, costs 30 CP.
Twin Carver - Class D damage, targets a line (S), Impedes, has a 50% to inflict Blind, costs 40 CP.
Ash is strangely overpowered. With the description for Acid Rage speaking of "drawing out his latent abilities", I doubt he is your average delinquent.
(Zero spoilers)
(Ao spoilers)
Also, we're seven games into the series and met only one out of four S-rank bracers. Totally unrelated, we don't know Toval's bracer rank -- but he's strong enough to be known among Enforcers, hmm.
(Zero spoilers)
His age lines up with the children abducted by the Cult.
(Ao spoilers)
Then there are the theories of Wazy being the one who recommended Ash to Thors Campus Leeves (since he mentions reforming delinquents in Ao?).
Also, we're seven games into the series and met only one out of four S-rank bracers. Totally unrelated, we don't know Toval's bracer rank -- but he's strong enough to be known among Enforcers, hmm.
All Rean's crafts have been replaced.
Large is pretty much all you need though. Characters like Rean, Millium, Fie dominate with their S+ tier damage skills that have huge range and added effects like delay and a high unbalance rate.
But you're right, relative to her classmates she's really powerful.
whoaaaaaaaaaaaa
HIS SMILE AND OPTIMISM. GONE.
I think you may be right about that.
It was also mentioned somewhere that Ash likes
non-alcoholic drinks
As for Toval, I thought he was more capable at Arts than even
Rufus
We know that the rank of S class bracers are not revealed to the public. Plus might explain in more detail why Carnelia
.Sinh_Magnus
Member
Yes, I remember something like this. It sounds interesting in picture but let's see what they do with the actual character. It feels the characters from class VIII and IX are going to be guests from the sound of it. Also,
we haven't seen Randy being playable so far, have we?
He's going to the dark side isn't he?
(Sen III spoiler)
Musse and Ash will transfer to Class VII a couple of months in.
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
No character we've seen so far has any AoE buffs as Crafts, AFAIK. I wouldn't be surprised if they're the exclusive domain of Orders (and Arts) now.
>Western fanbase hates you
>(CS2)
>Dog of the military
>Will probably never measure up to Estelle, Kevin or Lloyd
>Forced to part ways with girlfriend
>Improperly learned how to wield a Katana
>Devil Trigger doesn't work properly anymore
>Best friends are mostly gone
>(CS2)
It's no wonder Rean lost his Motivation
>(CS2)
Husbando died
>Will probably never measure up to Estelle, Kevin or Lloyd
>Forced to part ways with girlfriend
>Improperly learned how to wield a Katana
>Devil Trigger doesn't work properly anymore
>Best friends are mostly gone
>(CS2)
found out his real dad is the universe's biggest asshole
It's no wonder Rean lost his Motivation
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
But he's co-workers with Towa now.
Sinh_Magnus
Member
Oh wow. Were was this mentioned?
Doesn't the japanese fanbase also hate him?
Scrooge McDuck
Member
It's no wonder Rean lost his Motivation.
I've read that the Japanese fanbase mockingly refer to him as a chuuni, but he enjoys a decent amount of popularity there. According to that Kiseki anniversary poll, he's the 7th most popular male character.
Source: https://www.esterior.net/2014/10/fi...eki-series-tenth-anniversary-national-survey/
Sinh_Magnus
Member
For some reason I can't access the page with that link, but I looked for it on google anyways. Interesting stuff here. I was surprised to see the Nord rank 1st as favourite location.
I'm not so sure about that. The odds have always been against Lloyd.
Randy in the top 5 males with the best S-Craft, this poll knows what's up. No Eidolon Gear is depressing, though.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
Acerbic tomato domination. Liberl's best export.
You can't say no to a nice love story.
Dragon1893
Member
Hadn't seen that poll before. Favorite game and favorite female character align with my own choices. Probably favorite scene as well though I'd have to give that one a lot of thought, but when thinking about it in combination with FC's ending it can't be beaten since those are the 2 pivotal moments in the relationship of those characters and their arc is my favorite aspect of the entire series, just like for many others as this poll clearly shows.
For best male I'd probably go with Kevin, but Olivier is obviously a great choice.
For best male I'd probably go with Kevin, but Olivier is obviously a great choice.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
LOL @ creepy sheep placing both in "monster you'd least like to meet" and "monster you'd like as a pet"
Also I learned there's an action RPG Kiseki game? Nayuta No Kiseki? What is that, a spin-off? It placed 7th in the game list, I wonder if it's any good...
Laura didn't place in the top female characters, but Alisa did. Poll is trash confirmed
ShadowSoldier89
Member
finishing up my replay of CS1 makes CS2's epilogue feel even dumber...
It's not directly connected to the rest of the series. Take it as Tokyo Xanadu, but not as good.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Not really comparable to Tokyo Xanadu, since Nayuta's level designs, action-platforming, and huge variety (without recycling) outclass Toxanadu. Both games focus on different strengths.
Basileus777
Member
Nayuta unfortunately hasn't been translated into English (well other than by Google).
Novel Mike
Member
Laura has next to no character development or personality. Her brief spat with Fie was the most forced thing in the entire game even more so then Alisa landing boobs first in Rean's face in the Prologue.
I say this as someone who likes Laura a lot but she doesn't really have any sort of actual arc or development as a person across the two games. Heck in CS2 her interactions with Duvaile also feel extremely forced with it feeling petty on Duvailes part and Laura acting as stoic about everything as she always does.
We never really see her backstory or her struggling with anything (other then the forced Fie part I mentioned before) it just really hurts her as a character despite how awesome and cool she is, shes just not well rounded and as much crap as Rean gets I'm surprised Laura doesn't get hardly any crap thrown at her way despite having similar problems.
I forgive her insignificance in the story because of her damage output.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
A new fan translation effort just started, which I hope succeeds in bringing out the best of the game and makes it more accessible. They're not using machine translation at least.
And her fashion sense is top notch.
Laura is basically an Ys character first and foremost. No time for story beats, just hit things til they die. Some people like that sort of thing, I know I do.
Go play through Chapter 4 again. Also watch her scene with Aurelia in CS2 and note how much farther she's come into being her own independent person.
If you liked her, how did you miss her very discernible personality traits?
Nah.
CS1 Chapter 5 feeds you literally everything you need to know about her character. Her upbringing, primary relationships, dreams for the future, her harem... she's a pretty textured character.
Look I'm probably the biggest Rean fan in this community, but it's hard to justify putting those 2 on the same level. Rean's flaws run deeper than Laura's (even though I think Rean has a much higher ceiling than her as a character). And be honest, "I'm surprised Laura doesn't get hardly any crap thrown her way" is code for "I think she should more hated than Rean due to her flaws."
Laura isn't an amazing character, but she's more than competent. They took an archetype usually reserved for men, applied it to Laura and made it work without feeling trite. She's not as deep as characters like Emma or Alisa, but she doesn't need to be. She occupies a good position in the overall group that is Class VII.
I kind of hate how true this is for me.
Laura makes a great first impression with having an S-craft from the get go, dat attack stat, the scene in the prologue with Machias*, and her calling out Rean in chapter 1, but after that her character kind of stalls. And I say this as someone who likes the thing with Fie.
*
"Will you ladies be ok in this monster infested dungeon?" "I don't mean to brag, BUT I HAVE A GIANT F***ING SWORD AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT, I think we'll be fine. Let's go, ladies."
...Mild embellishment on my part.
...Mild embellishment on my part.
EDIT:I actually don't remember her role in CS2 much, thinking about it. All the more reason to look forward to CS2 PC, I guess!
She fades into the background after her recruitment arc (much like the rest of Class VII). The scene I'm referencing is the conversation she has with Aurelia and Wallace. The unpolished, slightly awkward noble from CS1 definitely wouldn't have been able to keep up with the brigadier 2 generals of the
Noble Alliance.
I enjoyed it, kinda like a slightly slower paced Ys. Story is weak and it's a little too long but it scratched my action RPG itch.