George Oscar Bluth II
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GAF has been slowly going that way, yeah
Spider-Man: Homecoming |OT| MCU's Sweet 16 - SPOILERS
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We've already had two iterations of Spider-Man where he mastered his powers in a 5 minute montage. This is the youngest version of Peter we've seen on screen so while it would be cool if he was swinging through Manhattan 15 minutes into the movie it would undercut his growth in the MCU.
CGwizz
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He was kicking a giant Ant man ass and kicking winter soldier ass in Civil War and you tellling me swinging in Manhatan would undercut his growth?
ZackieChan
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There's a certain type of fan that just wants to see the same shit done over and over again in the same way, for some reason. I, on the other hand, love what we got in SM:H.
Yeah, the dude got nervous climbing the Washington Monument. After his fight on the jet maybe Peter got over his fear of heights so he'll be in manhatan in the next movie.
In Civil War everyone was pulling their punches and Peter got by due to the element of surprise/Tony giving him a briefing on who he was gonna fight. All his victories were either team based or immediately undercut because he wasn't paying attention(see him webbing up winter soldier/Falcón yet getting taken out by red wing). Remove the help in HC and Peters performance is similar.
He was dragged away by Falcon's robot bird, drop kicked by Cap and slapped by Giant Man.
More like he got his ass kicked.
Pai Pai Master
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People need to watch that Civil War fight again because aside from webbing up Falcon/Bucky/Giant Man, which is the whole reason he was in that fight, Peter got his ass handed to him. And they were going easy on each other.
they were play fighting and he still managed to get worked
Teletraan1
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I didn't really like some of the casting or the movie did a poor job selling these takes. The guy playing Flash Thompson is short AF and doesn't fit the existing character defined in the comic. They did a lousy job of selling this version as well. Must be the writing cause I loved this actor in The Grand Budapest Hotel. Ned Leeds gets more screen time to flesh out this take on the character but it falls flat for me. I always wanted a big screen hobgoblin but I really don't want to see this guy in the suit and on a glider, that would be some master tier brainwashing. He seemed to be more of a punisher sidekick. MJ was just there channelling weird chick from the breakfast club. Again hardly any screen time to really sell this take. If you are going to go this route and change the basics of characters that have existed for decades across multiple types of media you have to give the actor something to work with. I think that all the time wasted with Tony and the suit would have been better spent fleshing out the new takes on these characters. Would have liked to see more of Prowler. I expected him to have a larger role based on earlier reactions of him stealing the movie with what ended up as 3-4 lines of dialogue. I didn't love Holland as Spider-Man. Not enough quips. His Peter Parker was too excitable and rambling all the time. He was like Unbreakable Kimmy Spider-Man turned up to 11000.
Action set pieces were weak as well. Even Spider-Man 1 had more satisfying action. It was a 6.5/10 movie for me.
Action set pieces were weak as well. Even Spider-Man 1 had more satisfying action. It was a 6.5/10 movie for me.
I watched it twice now. Betty Brant and that other kid were on point with the awkwardness.
And they nailed the shittyness of high school video production. lol
MugiwaraCole
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Saying Peter got worked in Civil War feels like a bit much. More like he held his own while fighting a bunch of heroes he didn't really wanna be fighting anyways, and only really got in his own way. He effortlessly caught a haymaker from Bucky (something even Steve struggles with) and webbed him and Sam up, but got caught quipping without paying attention (Spidey sense, Peter???); he got in quite a few solid hits on Giant-Man and came up with the plan to put him down before getting knocked out by one of Scott's flailing arms because he was too busy fanboying over Tony and Rhodey's tag team; only Steve really beat him straight up. And if we can acknowledge that the Avengers were pulling their punches, cause friends, we can admit Peter wasn't exactly bringing his A game either, since he was facing his idols.
He's certainly got a way to go judging from Civil War and Homecoming (Vulture DID beat his ass), but that's only because we know how great he can and will be, even at his age. He hasn't been some washed up wannabe.
He's certainly got a way to go judging from Civil War and Homecoming (Vulture DID beat his ass), but that's only because we know how great he can and will be, even at his age. He hasn't been some washed up wannabe.
Twig and Berries
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Jason and Betty the real MVPs
Pai Pai Master
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It's not that he's washed up, but he's still learning how to actually fight and use all of his abilities to his advantage. His performance in Civil War doesn't negate the fact that he's still a noob in Homecoming.
MugiwaraCole
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Well, duh. The passage you quoted from me admits this. I was more referring to all the "HA, PETER TOTALLY GOT WRECKED IN CIVIL WAR" comments. That isn't what happened.
Star Orpheus
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I love that park scene just because if you've ever played an open world Spider-man game you knew his pain.
MugiwaraCole
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Still convinced that was a "Spider-Man 2" game reference.
BronsonLee
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Ant-Man, was, uh...overenthusiastic
All the noobs were, really. Cap's lucky Spidey could hold up that thing he dropped on him too
fuckin' finally faceplanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6if4GOyWqs
Goosebumps. dang. I wish they could re-use the same actors in the mcu
Goosebumps. dang. I wish they could re-use the same actors in the mcu
So how did they get the Black Panther rights from DC?
They bought them back in '94, right around the time Kennedy got shot.
StopMakingSense
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He's already been in one movie...
Sgt. Kabukiman
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They gave the X-O Manowar rights to Fox and then Marvel let them greenlight Brett Ratner's Black Panther on the condition that Spawn would show up in a cameo.
StopMakingSense
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Uh, Civil War??
Already confirmed as the villain for Captain Shazam 2.
Oh I need to see that still. You have a vudu code or anything man
Sgt. Kabukiman
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He's in Justice League, obviously. And Wolf Warrior 3.
Honestly, the ASM movies - especially the first - set the bar for Spider-Man action in my mind. It was the one thing they did really well.
You don't think The Avengers has legit good action though?
I mean, if you change the established look of a character, her entire behavior, and then casually drop her name at the end so that people know who it's supposed to be, I think it's fair to state it's a piss poor job.
She was fine as an original character and it just felt shoehorned and cringe worthy. Kinda like that Robin name drop in TDK rises. But worse.
Strangelove77
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BronsonLee
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Is MJ normally as woke as Michelle is?
they did such a good job with MJ in this movie
she's always marched to the beat of her own drum, to use an overused phrase
gonna have to err to slayven on this but I think there have been instances where college MJ would be involved with protesting
She doesn't live next door to Peter.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Well, she ain't the outgoing party girl we were first introduced to...
But that's a change I like.
MJ js typically observant, intelligent, caring, kind but only to friends, seen as dismissive to those who don't know her
sooooo
BronsonLee
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Has MJ ever had a personality beyond "red hair party girl" and, eventually, "generic girlfriend/wife"? I guess "spunky" and "fiery" and other generic tags?
I mean I like Spider-Man and all but his love interests have always seemed more like accessories than characters. The Ultimate versions are the only ones I ever liked, and they're essentially brand new characters.
I mean I like Spider-Man and all but his love interests have always seemed more like accessories than characters. The Ultimate versions are the only ones I ever liked, and they're essentially brand new characters.
yes she has