Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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WrenchNinja
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Killing 20 first and second graders didn't wake America up. This isn't going to stop America from trying to move on and ignore their problem like they always do.
horrific news, but this sort of thing has stopped being surprising.
at the very least they need to limit gun ownership to semi automatic side arms as a first step towards an outright ban on firearms. no civilian has any justifiable reason to own an automatic rifle. it's a weapon of aggression, not self defense.
at the very least they need to limit gun ownership to semi automatic side arms as a first step towards an outright ban on firearms. no civilian has any justifiable reason to own an automatic rifle. it's a weapon of aggression, not self defense.
jellies_two
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It's real fun in games. On a screen.
But I don't want my kids indulging until they gain some perspective. Sorry kids.
7DollarHagane
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This is a horrible tragedy and there needs to be gun control change.
But the government or nobody else can stop someone from modifying a weapon to increase it's lethality. That's already illegal. Acting like gun control laws would have stopped this incident is missing the point.
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it will never happen.
Do we have any idea the motive or reasoning of the shooter?
Dark Cloud
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Jesus this is horrible. I feel so bad and sorry for all the people. So many psychopaths in this world.
I planned on going to Vegas the end of this year.
I planned on going to Vegas the end of this year.
Patrick Bateman
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What?
Reduced amount of firearms means reduced probability of shootings happen.
There will always be attacks. We saw that in countries with stricter gun laws such as France, Spain or Germany. But more control and less guns mean less shootings.
The power of destruction is a hellvu drug.
Gun control has been proven effective in multiple countries. We have data that it will work even if guns are already out there. It absolutely will prevent these incidents.
7he Talon
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It worked for us, but worked because majority of the country was behind it and wanted it to work. The U.S. still has a lot of gun loving citizens.
If he was of Middle Eastern descent, they would have already called this a terror attack regardless. It's insane.
They can't say it isn't a terror attack until they know his motive.
DrForester
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What a sad thing to wake up to. Absolutely horrific, especially hearing how it was done. Shooting at people from a hotel window.
Any indications of motivation for the shooting?
Any indications of motivation for the shooting?
Chuck Norris
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It has nothing to do with games. The rest of the world can partake in games with shooting without a culture of mass shootings to follow
Audioboxer
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Dont believe he has 240.
I've seen a number of videos of people will full-auto weapons at firing ranges, and stuff like FPSRussia with vehicle mounted explosive ordnance. What exactly are the laws governing those? I assume they're hard to get and can't leave private land but it doesn't seem they're banned outright.
Woo-Fu
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Bullshit.
You don't stop them. You might reduce them, you might reduce the percentage of them that are committed with firearms, but you're doing nothing to stop the crazy people who are the root cause.
If this guy couldn't get a gun he could have rented a u-haul truck and plowed into the crowd exiting the event after the show.
I'm not saying that reducing the availability of guns is a bad thing. I'm saying it isn't the panacea you're trying to sell it as. People need to dig a little deeper if they want to really fix things.
Australia is also much smaller and had few guns by comparison. Not quite the same. I'm all for an effort tho.
The following is not what should happen, simply what is happening:
1. Nope, make it easier.
2. Funding gets cut.
3. Yeah, but not on white people.
Yes, we live in a free society. Large groups will always be targeted. There's no law that will guarantee safety. But you can pass some common sense legislation and go from there.
Private ownership is practically impossible for the average person. Legally obtained 'machine guns' (that's the regulatory term) aren't used in crimes.
neurosisxeno
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I don't deny that it could be addressed, but I know it won't be. This product is explicitly designed to subvert existing rules/laws about the availability of automatic firearms. It's taking a semiautomatic rifle and turning it into what amounts to a fully automatic rifle, but it's not technically because (as far as I know) the firing pin setup is different.
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Deleted member 10571
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Already better than anything the President of the USA could come up with. First tweet, obv.
Cow Mengde
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I'm flying to Vegas on the 13th. This is going to be a nerve racking trip to say the least.
RIP to all the victims. I don't even know what else to say.
RIP to all the victims. I don't even know what else to say.
dragonchild
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We can't achieve perfection, ergo, when faced with utter catastrophe, we should do nothing. Got it.
Except we've overcome some challenges in our history that would be considered flat-out impossible to tackle today by people like you. We abolished slavery. Women were granted suffrage. Norman Borlaug saved as many as a billion people from starvation. We've eradicated some of the worst plagues in human history. You know what all those things had in common? Your attitude, shared by others throughout history, has not been at the forefront of any progress by society. Not once.
EVER.
guybrushfreeman
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.... Ah.... What? Gun control laws have absolutely prevented this exact kind of tragedy in many countries in the world. That's just a regular factual statement. I mean that isn't really something that's factually in dispute in any way
jellies_two
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I don't want to argue this isn't the place but my own belief is mental illness combined with an extreme familiarity with virtual gun play combined with a society that celebrates real gun play is definitely a more toxic mix. The us army didn't plough millions into "americas army" without knowing very well how it helps recruitment.
Glass Shark
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Im so angry. All I want to do is scream. If 20 kids getting killed didnt cause anything to change, this wont either.
Fluffernutter Pancake
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??? Of course it's a terror attack, and that's what it will be called as long as its determined that the shooter was not completely mentally insane. As long as he had some semblance of his wits about him, then he is a domestic terrorist. A terrorist spreads fear and, typically, a political message by attacking civilians.
The Columbine shooters probably shouldn't be classified as terrorists ---- same with Sandy Hook. Tim McVeigh was a [Caucasian] terrorist. We'll see why the fuck this psycho decided to carry out this attack. 90% chance that he is quickly labeled a domestic terrorist unless it comes out that he was just some loony bin escapee.
Either way, there should be another serious push for more gun regulation ---- how the hell did this guy get access to such firepower?
mario_O
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Yeah it's the exclamation.
"God Bless you!" reads like "thanks" or "well done" or something like that to my european ears. It sounds weird in this context.
Well, here's a guy using a full-auto SCAR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atntd0XlQxg
along with M60s, Browning 50cals, full-auto shotguns and other state-of-the-art military grade weapons. What's the story behind that?
kamineko
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To folks claiming the problem is mental illness, not guns
Ask yourself why the people who stan for everyones right to own machinery whose sole purpose is the quick and efficient killing of human beings too often care fuck-all about Americans having access to affordable, quality healthcare (including psychiatric wellness). Come on.
RIP, condolences to family and friends who will carry this the rest of their lives. Terrible, just terrible.
Ask yourself why the people who stan for everyones right to own machinery whose sole purpose is the quick and efficient killing of human beings too often care fuck-all about Americans having access to affordable, quality healthcare (including psychiatric wellness). Come on.
RIP, condolences to family and friends who will carry this the rest of their lives. Terrible, just terrible.
People have already found his Twitter seemingly.
He didn't post anything useful, and mostly followed sports accounts, but there is one flat-earther conspiracy theorist.
Too vague to be attaching assumptions to at this point tbh.
Also, don't think I've actually said this here yet, but this is horrifying and sad :-(
The trigger basically bounces. As long as one pull (emphasis on pull) fires one bullet, the ATF won't ban it. This has led to 'reflex' triggers that also fire a shot on your release, effectively doubling your ROF, and these bump/slide fire stocks. They all make me super uncomfortable. Their applicability to a mass shooting was always really obvious, same as the ARES belt fed conversions for ARs.
On loan from someone authorized to own them.
Ether_Snake
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People are stupid for always using the "you couldn't stop them all" argument to justify not doing anything.
"But there would always be someone who would manage to kill people if they really wanted to, it's not possible to prevent all of those."
Idiots
"But there would always be someone who would manage to kill people if they really wanted to, it's not possible to prevent all of those."
Idiots
Ask him? How would I know? Illegal doesn't mean you can't get through other means. That's why a ban on all guns won't work
guybrushfreeman
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Gun control laws have unquestionably reduced the rates of these kinds of events all over the world. Both their frequency and their severity. This is completely factual.
There is no evidence suggesting that everyone who would commit a mass shooting would find another way at all. The evidence suggests that these kind of events are less common overall and less severe in other countries.
Edit: In fact there's simply no comparison between the USA and other comparable countries. The rate of these events is so much higher in the USA no matter how you want to count them.
There's is absolutely nothing to support the idea that if people didn't have guns they would 'find another way'. These events simply don't occur with the same frequency outside of actual war zones as they do in the USA
from what i've read most states allow them as long as they're in compliance within federal law and regulations.
NoblesseOblige
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That's technically not full auto but effectively yeah it is. It's a bump stock which lets the recoil pull the trigger for a next round. They absolutely need to be outlawed and it's nothing short of asinine they haven't been already.
Give the man a break. Someone sneezed
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