The feeling of giving up on the entire world?
Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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The feeling of giving up on the entire world?
Fluffernutter Pancake
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Yes, I fully understand the argument of an armed populace being able to actively resist a tyrannical government and keep it in check..................see, that theory worked up until the military tech of WW II and was thrown out the window with the invention of atomic weapons.
No parity can possibly exist now ---- there is absolutely no need for a populace to be armed and trained to stand up to their nuclear-armed govt, because they have zero chance of actually succeeding in countering that tech.
Let the people keep their hunting gear. Hunting is fine. You don't need automatic weapons or extended clips for handguns to hunt, and you're not taking down a hydrogen bomb-armed, drone packing, cruise missile launching govt with those weapons either.
Right, but what I'm saying in regards to the SC is that a lot of those new laws that could be made would be found unconstitutional by (especially the current) SC.
Again, please watch the video that was linked above. The media absolutely fetishize the shooters, their methods, their killcounts...
Trust Fox to be extra gross about it though ugh
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, that odd feeling is the vomit on the verge of my mouth whenever Fox anchors speak on these matters.
Lightning_Roller
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Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Would explain the rate of fire and amount of rounds fired.
Speculation from various parts of the web. At that range, and given the casualties, it makes sense. Its a larger caliber round, 762x51 (aka .308), which makes it much more deadly than the usual 5.56 FMJ.
No. Where is that being reported? Local news said they found at least 8 different rifles at the scene.
Warm Machine
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No and it shouldnt have to.
Technically the definition includes violence for "political" reasons. Which is why people wait to say it's "terrorism". It's stupid because honestly it doesn't even matter at that point but they will wait to see the motive none the less.
guybrushfreeman
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I haven't seen the make reported anywhere. Be wary of speculation at this time
America is showing what humans are capable of.
Empathy isn't valued in our culture. Tribalism and greed is. Even in the face of a tragedy like this.
We, and much of the rest of the world, appear to indeed be fucked.
Rate of fire in the videos is actually too high to be an M60. Seems like completely unfounded speculation on your part.
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nintendoman58
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Horrifying, RIP to all the victims. 
Honestly, if America wont outright ban guns or start enacting any sort of control soon, theres gotta be something else that can be done that could possibly work as some kind of prevention method for these tragedies.
Like, what about a system that involves security doing a body check on people to see if they have weapons before entering a big populated room or whatever, and if they do, they can put a big sticker on them saying Watch out, Im armed! or something like that.
Obviously gun control would be preferred, but at least thatd be something.
One of these days, something will change because of this.
I mean, theyve only been getting worse and worse. Its only a matter of time before some whack job ends up wiping out a small town or an entire community.
Honestly, if America wont outright ban guns or start enacting any sort of control soon, theres gotta be something else that can be done that could possibly work as some kind of prevention method for these tragedies.
Like, what about a system that involves security doing a body check on people to see if they have weapons before entering a big populated room or whatever, and if they do, they can put a big sticker on them saying Watch out, Im armed! or something like that.
Obviously gun control would be preferred, but at least thatd be something.
Nothing will happen, it will be the same song and dance from now until the end of time
One of these days, something will change because of this.
I mean, theyve only been getting worse and worse. Its only a matter of time before some whack job ends up wiping out a small town or an entire community.
The Greek Freak
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Even if the president and every single elected politician agreed, it would have 0 chance of happening.
Registries are largely non existent outside of the most extreme shit.
There are already 250-300 MILLION guns in the states. Yes 250-300 million as of 2013 (pew research link at bottom).
Even the most strict draconian methods of eliminating gun ownership in the states would be a fucking violent shit show where trigger happy police would have a fucking field day.
This isn't to say I'm not for much stricter rules.
- If your gun is stolen and used in a crime and there's evidence it was out of your possession/theft is unreported for 48+ hours you're an accomplice.
- Anyone who living in your household uses your gun in a crime you share in the charges, 100% your fault if someone unstable or a child gets a hold of it.
- Mandatory multi-week gun safety classes for any first time purchaser.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ricans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/
Warm Machine
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There is definitely a reload period or weapon switch going on in the videos. Chilling.
They are trying to indirectly imply that this is an 'exceptional case' and that it should be treated differently than if it was a coloured guy or traditional 'terrorist' attached to a group.
Expect them to talk about a 'lone wolf' for two days than go on to some shit like 'ISIS DOING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE, THEY ARE THE REAL THREAT HERE'
Thats precisely why I asked. I read that he had up to 8 firearms
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Its not my speculation....
Fulminator
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Fuck this shit stain, death is too good for him
What a monster
Many sides though, many sides.Fuck. I saw this news earlier but had no idea of the severity or scale of what went on. Heart goes out to everyone affected
Get rid of fucking guns, America!
Phoenix RISING
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No. This is a rare time when Instagram is actually useful for the preservation of History.
The ugliness on The Human Condition for all to see.
If it includes outright bans then yes it could be struck down. There's a lot of in between there. There's no way they would strike down expanded background checks for example (fixing all background check loopholes)
legacyzero
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WHAT THE FUCK
I don't want to hear one word from that evil orange fuck. God, I can't believe he has any power at all.
Yeah, I dunno. I want to crawl in a hole for five years. Maybe bring some canned food. If I come out and Bernie or Kamala isn't President and we haven't banned or otherwise restricted stupidly overpowered guns, I might just crawl back in that hole without the canned food this time.
Pai Pai Master
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Unfortunately its like North Korea at this point. You can't take that kind of action without there being an unacceptable number of casualties as a result. If the government actually mandated a firearms ban and was planning to literally take people's guns away, there would be some form of armed insurrection that would do way more damage than anyone would want to see before they got put down.
I'm all for a gun ban but it's just not possible with gun obsession as pervasive as it is in America. There's got to be somewhere we could start, if Republicans actually cared and weren't just lining their pockets.
That's a myth.
State militias, the predecessor to the national guard, are what they're talking about. Citizen staffed, and state run. Many would bring their own riffles, because they were expected to supply towards the Civic good.
This warped idea of a lone gunman protecting his property or enacting his will on "the government" is nonsense that's been pushed since the 80s to sell more guns and increase stock prices.
Add to that the requirement to get insurance, just like cars, which would scale per-gun owned, and the economics of it would take care of most stockpiles.
jellies_two
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To be fair the media is good at click bait. If they fetishise it it is because people want it.
If we trained kids at school to ignore mass murderers or pity them without being the least bit interested in their homes friends and lives then the media would change really fast,
Warm Machine
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64 would make him a possibly Vietnam vet. He would have been 21 or 22 when I was born which was 74.
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400 people jesus Christ!!!
An M60 has a very distinct low rate of fire. Given that we know they found several different rifles, the gun report is of a higher cyclic rate, and there's obvious pauses for reloads or switching weapons, your speculation seems pretty wild.
Fulminator
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How can you possibly take away all the guns
I think if we instituted a ban on people who are born after a certain year from buying guns it might help , but I don't think it's possible to take all the guns out of circulation from the public
Do you think a group of rednecks is gonna be anything more than a nuisance to THE US Army?
You don't, you do it as a voluntary thing, then prosecute everyone in possession of one after the fact. It's the same methods used when peace treaties are achieved.
MaddenNFL64
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I was shocked for a second when I heard this happened, but since we just had a 50+ death toll shooting spree a year ago, it's just numbing at this point.
NoblesseOblige
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The psychopath probably choose a higher floor knowing people were likely to hit the ground too.
Alligatorjandro
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Honestly just numb to this
Glass Shark
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The idea that any of this is much stricter is fucking laughable.
Fulminator
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Hm fair enough
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