if nothing but a person's self control is in the way of me killing 50 people, that's pretty terrible.
Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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if nothing but a person's self control is in the way of me killing 50 people, that's pretty terrible.
I think it has to be political to be an act of terrorism. We don't know his motive yet.
Audioboxer
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Terrorism requires a political, religious or ideological motive for the killing. Not every single shooting is going to be classed as a terror attack. Look at previous shootings in America, it's "mass shooting" or "massacre" if there weren't political, religious or ideological motives.
This case is still being investigated, depending on what the police find it may well be classed as a terrorist attack in the next 24~72 hours. The guys social media profile seems to be non-existent. Searching for motive will be going on behind the scenes just now.
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No single person should be able to hold this amount of power. There is not a single thing the people at the concert could've done. I can't even imagine the kind of load would be lifted if guns were gone. It's stuff like this that makes me consider moving to somewhere else where I don't have to worry about this crap.
Subpar Scrub
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Actually, it seems like mass shootings are more common than daily if this site is accurate - https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data
SoldierOfLight
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I've fired a gun 3 different times in my life, from WWII rifle, to a 9mm to an auto shotgun. I still would never own a gun. I hate the idea of what one can be capable of given that much power. Such a tragedy this happened and as some have posted earlier.
We need to end this "thoughts and prayers" and actually come together with a solution. Unfortunately it's us unarmed vs those armed with many guns. It's almost like going to war with our fists and clenched teeth whole the other side is armed to the teeth.
TheMan
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They don't have to spin anything. Stock for gun manufacturers (former smith and Wesson, I think) is already going up.
I see.
Or even better ban the fucking things and find a better hobby. It's attitudes like yours that are part of the problem. YOU may be a rational, sane individual but the same laws that allow you to own guns also allow others to get them and inflict carnage.
DontBeThatGuy
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I saw more signs concerning gun control than anything here in Maine, and it wasn't even close. It's also a place Democrats have always easily won.
Guns, god and racism. The holy trinity.
AusRoachman
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Thanks for your perspective man, I mean i just cant fathom people wanting to collect things that could so easily kill someone , but at the same time I have grown up with no easy access to guns and not having the same culture as us.
A lot of the people dead today probably have family who love guns , own guns etc and I doubt even this event will sway there minds .
Ravensmash
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Because terrorism does not simply mean "an act of violence".
Dreams-Visions
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j_k_redtail
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Should be on the top of every page.
ResidentWeevil13
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I thought she was in the crowd before the shooting telling people they were going to die /s
The news will literally report any rumor in the direct aftermath of a mass killing.
PS. Thanks for the update Audiboxer
Inferno313
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Christ,
this was not the kind of news I wanted to start off my Monday with.
this was not the kind of news I wanted to start off my Monday with.
Im selling my handgun tomorrow.
I enjoy going to the range.
But I cant keep supporting it.
I live in the south, right next to an army base. So everyone basically has a gun. So I got one too.m when I moved here to keep by the nightstand.
But the fact is Im more worried about being attacked in public than I am in my own home.
More people being armed wouldnt have stopped a single person from dying.
I kind of feel awful that I do get so much enjoyment from shooting.
I enjoy going to the range.
But I cant keep supporting it.
I live in the south, right next to an army base. So everyone basically has a gun. So I got one too.m when I moved here to keep by the nightstand.
But the fact is Im more worried about being attacked in public than I am in my own home.
More people being armed wouldnt have stopped a single person from dying.
I kind of feel awful that I do get so much enjoyment from shooting.
Damn that's scary. The gun culture in the states is so prevalent I don't even know what to do anymore.
I carry just in case. If there is a threat on myself or others, at least I can respond when there isn't any other option. I don't see how that is a problem.
Yeah, it's a terrible tragedy no doubt. The collecting.. while on face, things look nice, but I've never really went through with it when it comes to firearms.
Lol. Good luck Murica.
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Audioboxer
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That is from the BBC, from the independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-roommate-gunman-suspect-latest-a7978156.html
She's been cleared as a POI.
Looks like the scumbag used her ID/vehicle, which triggered her as being a POI. That plus she's apparently a roommate.
Because without a political motive an attack - of any size or scale - is not terrorism. It's just mass violence. Words have meanings, and the meaning of terrorism is well established.
I'm not American, so I guess I don't understand this bizarre semantic football played with the word terrorism or terrorist in this and other threads. Who cares? Does it make this astonishingly disgusting act any better or worse if it is / isn't called terrorism? Does it change anything for the victims, their families to hear that word spoken? I don't get it.
Anyway, there's no evident motivation here but the police will hopefully turn up something in due time. If they turn up anything remotely political, people will call him a domestic terrorist like Timothy McVeigh and the rest.
Fox Mulder
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These happen all the time, but NFL players better not disrespect our country and flag!
Fuck the nra, politicians, and people that cling to their guns and keep anything from ever changing. Kids and innocent civilians gunned down don't matter. Politicians gunned down don't matter.
Fuck the nra, politicians, and people that cling to their guns and keep anything from ever changing. Kids and innocent civilians gunned down don't matter. Politicians gunned down don't matter.
So sad. These music events need to be harder targets all around. Whether it's a night club like Bataclan(89 killed) or Orlando(49 killed)or concerts like Aria Grande(22 killed) or this one(who knows yet the number of dead) there needs to be better security for all of these places where so many people are condensed into small areas.
Subpar Scrub
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Then have your handgun destroyed instead.
AntraxSuicide
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I don't think they're illegal, no.
The current administration spews lies every day. Every. Fucking. Day. How are they any different than 4Chan? I'm saying they're more likely to give places like 4Chan a pass compared to places that are more critical towards them like GAF
These times we live in.
Saint Gregory
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It feels like we're well beyond the point now of waiting patiently for FB/Google/Twitter to get their shit together.
"used on duty" implies the poster your quoting isn't the average citizen. You don't know their position or risks inherent to their life.
Jerm411
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I have an aunt and uncle out there right now (we all live in Missouri)...they're at the Tropicana and ok and it was insanely harrowing to hear them talk about it. They were already in there room when it happened.
They actually invited my wife and I to go but we couldn't, glad I didn't.
Jesus Christ....my thoughts and condolence go out to all the victims, when will it stop? :-(
They actually invited my wife and I to go but we couldn't, glad I didn't.
Jesus Christ....my thoughts and condolence go out to all the victims, when will it stop? :-(
According to the news reports, the shooter was not at the concert.
The shooter was on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay and was shooting down, into the the concert area, from an elevated position across the street.
efyu_lemonardo
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Sounds like machine gun fire
Why don't they just go ahead and do it? And launch the nukes at North Korea. And make abortion illegal. And get rid of food stamps and welfare. Just go on! Go ahead and do it all, get it over with
A Fish Aficionado
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The right to bear arms could be easily defended by strict regulation and registraion, and conpetency.
The 2nd amendent allows regulation.
Same how we outlaw heavy weapons like rocjet launchers and missiles.
The 2nd amendent allows regulation.
Same how we outlaw heavy weapons like rocjet launchers and missiles.
I've got nothing against owning firearms, but the ATF fucked that one up big time.
Razgriz-Specter
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His only move would be an executive order but with Republicans in power would have immediately put impeachment on the table.
legacyzero
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Which shows why the specific focus on terrorism in the dialogue and policy is such a problem. You don't need to be a terrorist to kill a bunch of people.
There have been two famous mass shootings in the Denver metro area in the past 30 years. Neither was a terrorist attack. They still left dozens of people dead. The national coverage after Colombine was "oh this was so sad, now let's do fuck all. Let's speculate on why these people decided to shoot up a school, and focus on psychoanalyzing their hateful and self-serving ideas, but do nothing to stop them from actually doing it." And then when the Aurora theater shooting happened, even less response.
You can't just see something like this and say "Well, some people snap" and take it as a universal truth that we can't do anything about it.
ProtomanNeo
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Heard the audio as I was driving in to work this morning, and it's terrifying. The rapid fire of the bullets, I once again can't understand why these weapons are legal. That wasn't the sound of a weapon meant to protect ones self, it was the sound of a weapon of war, meant to mow down, to kill as many as possible.
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Earthpainting
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Why aren't white community leaders condemning his actions?
Can't really blame 'em. While the scope is bigger than normal this time around, mass shootings happen so regularly that you can predict the exact ways how politicians react to these stories. The vast majority offer their condolences, pretend like the tragedy is as rare as a blooming titan arum, and dismiss the whole thing as a personal responsibility and mental health issue. To top it off, they'll gladly throw people with mental health issues under the bus, while also sabotaging health care. After a while it becomes clear that the elected officials do not want things to change. Obama pretty much said he was powerless to do anything against it.
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