Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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Dreams-Visions
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lol. I own multiple guns and I was in the thread you're quoting man.
You ever heard small arms fire though a silencer? I have. Mega-tragedy waiting to happen on a semi-automatic weapon for exactly the reasons I stated.
At a relatively loud event/venue like that, the volume from a suppressed weapon would be low enough for people to not realize what's going on 50 yards from where the firing is happening.
Imagine this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyO4c5PbYMQ
or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxsccYIjguY
or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqUcB1xX-Dw
or something full auto like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJx6r7-ZHk
in a crowd listening to blaring country music and report back with how you imagine that going down. most of the volume heard is coming from the objects being hit by the rounds.
you don't want easy-access to class 3 items like suppressors for a reason.
Death toll in Vegas doubles if this guy has a couple of suppressors. Suppressors in the hands of crazys is a nightmare scenario.
How About No
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I said LIKE
I mean the entire fucking GOP, no matter how much they want to distance them from him, they really are one and the same
The Albatross
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It's really horrific. This is terrorism. Congress, the president, Supreme Court, and state governments need to do something to prevent this terrorism. After 9/11 congress, the president, and the states passed laws that questionably abridged civil liberties, and SCOTUS held most of them up under the federal government's responsibility to protect citizens. Since 9/11, there have been dozens and dozens of terrorist acts committed by both Americans, naturalized citizens, and foreign agents, using our lax gun laws to commit them. If congress can pass laws that question civil liberties after a foreign terrorist attack, then they should be able to do so for domestic terrorist acts.
From what we know about Donald Trump he will say anything depending on who he's talking to and who ever talked to him last. He would have come out in favor of gun control when he was on a show like Howard Stern, where Stern would have likely been for more gun control, but if you put him in front of a crowd of anti-gun-control 2nd amendment types, he'd say he wants no gun control.
Trump always just advocates for positions of what will give him praise from the immediate people around him. He has no well formed thoughts on anything.
From what we know about Donald Trump he will say anything depending on who he's talking to and who ever talked to him last. He would have come out in favor of gun control when he was on a show like Howard Stern, where Stern would have likely been for more gun control, but if you put him in front of a crowd of anti-gun-control 2nd amendment types, he'd say he wants no gun control.
Trump always just advocates for positions of what will give him praise from the immediate people around him. He has no well formed thoughts on anything.
God I really hope this is b.s.
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Oh for heavens sake lol. My reply about carrying my handgun didn't have anything to do with responding to this incident. It's very clear what I was talking about if you had read the previous replies when someone commented on me always carrying my handgun.
Let me make it clear.
I always have it with me so that I can respond appropriately to a threat. I've been carrying since I became a cop in 2000. I retired, for medical reasons, in 2012. I'm still certified to carry. I have to re-certify every year. I didn't, at any point, say that me carrying a pistol at the concert would have been helpful given the information we have at this point. I never even implied what I would have done if I had been there until someone assumed something about it... just as you're doing now.
Initially I was asked about why I carry it all the time. That's all.
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Kill Your Masters
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Pretty much.
A handgun would have been useless here, useless against a truck plowing through a crowd of people, useless if someone decides to end you with a knife from behind, useless if the government decides to drone strike you.
Your government right now is so powerful, no militia could stand against it if the government decided to attack you unless you up your arsenal to rocket launchers, anti aircraft missiles, snipers, and heavy machine guns. US citizens would be SOL if the government decides to go the tyrannical route. The second amendment never evolved beyond a Musket.
It's ISIS propaganda. Water is wet.
I wouldn't look into it too much, they claim responsibility for everything that looks like it could be a terror attack.
Sad thread but this did raise a smile
Interfectum
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Is the idiot speaking yet?
Nope.
Oh, right. I had completely forgotten about that.
Also, predictably, /Pol/ is attempting to say that the shooter was a Muslim antifa member.
Thread:
https://twitter.com/broderick/status/914801273584709632?s=09
gutterboy44
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It's the same bullshit goal post moving as always. Large capacity magazines don't matter. Then we get a high body count shooting using them. Full auto doesn't matter, too much recoil, they'd hit nothing. Now we have a 450+ casualties from a single full auto gunman. Suppressors won't matter, this isn't the movies. Queue next years mass shooting high score where a similar set up allows the carnage to last longer due to difficulty locating the shooter or chaos of not knowing there is even a shooting happening at first.
One of the first things the dude did was allowing "mentally ill" people to buy guns so AT LEAST he can't use the mentally ill justification, right ?
....right ?
Until Rukmini Callimachi says something about ISIS, I'm not putting stock in it. She's probably the best person on the planet for things ISIS related.
https://twitter.com/rcallimachi
Edit - This also doesn't even come close to fitting the ISIS MO as of late.
https://twitter.com/rcallimachi
Edit - This also doesn't even come close to fitting the ISIS MO as of late.
Okay I have a legit question...
How exactly would you approach a threat? I mean what sort of situation escalates to the need of a gun?
If the the threat already has a weapon pointed at you, at that point a gun is useless no?
BotoxAgent
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*ISIS tries to spread divisive propaganda*
Trump, "hold my beer"
Trump, "hold my beer"
This needs to be repeated, several times. The US is pretty much the only country where this happens with regularity. You can complain about gun culture and "you'll never take my guns away", and whatnot...is it worth the lives lost to gun violence? Is this an environment you'd want to raise your children in?
There's also zero legitimate reason for one, besides collection and sport. The price is far too high to allow them to be less regulated.
Vincent Alexander
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I hate that I have this shit go through my head, but it breaks my heart knowing this will further drown out Puerto Rico coverage. These are both tragedies that need handled, and one is going to only get worse now. There is never a "good time" to have a mass shooting, but this was especially bad timing for Puerto Rico.
ManUnkindH
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Any update on the number of victims other than what the sheriff said about 3 hours ago?
Barren Mind
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My gosh! I woke up to this news while listening to Mike & Mike. What an absolute travesty. My heart goes out to the victims and families.
valkillmore
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Pesmerga00
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Some people get uncontrollable nervous laughter. I wouldn't read into it too much.
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Dubbedinenglish
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The subtext on why you dont see crimes with silencers? Really strict background checks, monitoring and control of these devices. Its almost like control actually works 🤔🤔
guybrushfreeman
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I reread your post history and more properly understand the chain of events now. Thank you for your reply
DarkJediKnight
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You know what's shocking to me, is that I woke up this morning, heard it on the radio on my way to work, and it barely registered for a second - because we're so used to this kind of violence every other week it seems.
Something needs to happen to reduce assault rifles. Had this been strictly a bolt action, no way he gets even 10 people. That's a lot of lives lost because of the weapon in question.
Something needs to happen to reduce assault rifles. Had this been strictly a bolt action, no way he gets even 10 people. That's a lot of lives lost because of the weapon in question.
Yeah, it's terrible to say the least.Those poor people, they never stood a chance
I've thought about that a lot. If I was local, all the current officers in our city know me, so there's that. I'd have to tell someone to let them know I'm in there, and give a description. I'd call 911 and let them know who I am, where I'm at, what I'm wearing..
There isn't anything I would have been able to do. That wasn't every even part of the discussion when I was replying.
Obama said "uhh maybe we should change the laws" when an entire class of elementary schoolkids got gunned down
America is never ever fixing this problem. Civilian massacres will be the ongoing accepted cost of easy access to guns.
It's not possible to get more horrific than Sandy Hook for media optics. Not even the Orlando club shootings.
The laws will never change in an appreciable, positive way.
Since it's /pol/, I imagine they'll work Jewish and Transgender in there somehow as well.
Is 4chan still run by moot? How is /pol/ allowed to exist still? Parts of that site are fine (like general art sharing stuff), but /b/ and /pol/ benefit no one these days.
Edit: Trump about to give remarks...great, I'm sure this will be dignified.
On a general note about guns, once upon a time I was mostly just of the 'tighten up the laws' persuasion, but a few years ago I switched to supporting an amendment outright nullifying the 2nd amendment. I just don't see the benefit to society.
aspiegamer
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No hotel would ever search luggage. That's just one of the unspoken rules, along with other general courtesy matters like not IDing anyone who uses a minibar and never going past a do not disturb sign since they sure as hell don't want to know what you're doing in there. Especially at a luxury destination like Vegas I'm sure these "rules" are in full effect.
Yup. No mass shooting will shock me any more beyond 20something young children slaughtered until someone inevitably kills 30something of them.
Part of 21st century American exceptionalism is that we can continue getting away with whatever we want, regardless of how stupid it might be, merely to flaunt power. "We're so awesome and carefree you can go shoot literally 500 people and two days later we'll pretend nothing happened! How cool is that?!"
metalslimer
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I got pretty angry at myself for being like ok after hearing the news this morning. After Sandy Hook I don't think a mass shooting can shock me
No. Though it's not like Moot did anything to keep this shit in check.
The Main Event
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snausagesUK
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Ownership changed a few years ago. Moot walked away shortly after gamergate stuff.
n00bsauce87
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Because "the right to bear arms" is a 2nd amendment right protected under the constitution. It's the right that is revered the most (based on action from citizens and lawmakers). Someone said it earlier that the massacre of children didn't make lawmakers move to something more sensible, nothing will.
Someone can correct me, but it'll take 2/3rds of our congress and senate to ratify the constitution in any way and you'll never find the amount of people willing to make such a move to make the 2nd amendment more sensible
And it's still not going to be nearly as effective than if the gunman was brown.
Because that's what matters most, because we're cavemen in an infantile society.
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