Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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legacyzero
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It's scary AF. No motive, no reason? Certainly this dude didn't just wake up one morning, had his coffee and orange juice, and said "ya know... I think I wanna kill a large amount of people because fuck this planet"
And Congress? Yeah fuck Congress
Can we add this to the OP, mods?
I love how this logic is never applied for abortion.
superdeluxe
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Concert venues/stadiums already have large concrete pillars etc. The problem is going to be parades, blockparties, open air markets etc
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Shout outs to the people using the cars are weapons too defense.
Last time I checked no one injured 500+ people and killed close to 60 using a car
Like, at least fucking try to argue
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should have clarified. Their arguement was anyone using their car to do this. Nice was not just someone hopping in their car, they used a cargo truck
Last time I checked no one injured 500+ people and killed close to 60 using a car
Like, at least fucking try to argue
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should have clarified. Their arguement was anyone using their car to do this. Nice was not just someone hopping in their car, they used a cargo truck
Do those not count?
I will not stop advocating for sensible Gun Control (anything more is unfortunately pretty much impossible in the US), but frankly after Sandyhook Elementary (which made me cry grown up man tears irl) I have pretty much lost all hopes for something to happen in my lifetime.
Horrific event, and my thoughts go to all the victims, their families and friends.
Aruarian Reflection
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I don't own or particularly like guns, but i watch demolition ranch who has an ultra popular youtube channel. Mostly because it amazes me that people have access to high power guns that I thought only existed in the military or videogames. Maybe I'm contributing to the problem and should unsubscribe
demosthenes
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Stricter gun laws would hopefully turn the tide on gun culture.
America has a gun problem because they have a gun culture problem. The fact that in this thread people are posting about how family members are getting more upset at people talking about stricter gun laws now instead of the person that just killed over 50 people now.
The shooter committed suicide which is almost enough on its own to discredit ISIS/jihadi affiliation.
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914866302195523584
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/914866302195523584
CraigerGamer
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It was pretty eery driving to work this morning. It was the only time I have ever seen the marquees of the big casinos all turned off. Schools are still open, trying to keep things as normal as possible I guess.
TimeEffect
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Any word on motive?
Dragon1893
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If all those people also had guns they could've shot the guy in a random window on the 32th floor of one of those buildings surrounding the area in the middle of the night, and none of this would've happened.
At one point you have to decide, how much freedom do you want to give up, just to keep one kind of freedom alive.
Looks like Marc Badain just donated $50,000, representing the Oakland Raiders. That's classy as fuck. Good on them.
IAmAnAgnostic
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Trump press conference wasn't terrible, but pretty meaningless
2blackcats
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Well I presume all the guns were bought legally. Guy doesn't seem to have any criminal connections.
Stricter gun laws could(and should) include a limit on how many and what type of guns one may own.
MosquitoSmasher
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I only just now read this news. What's the summary of it? What/who started this and especially why?
Fancyarcher
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Not as long as the NRA sponsors the GOP, no, which is just bad and sad. Plenty of people agree on stricter gun-laws, but those in power don't want it. It's a sad situation.
Warm Machine
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Yes it would have if gun ownership and licensing was limited to clip sizes and amounts. Also ammo can be controlled through volumes not exceeding X in a given month. If you are past a threshold of gun ownership per person you may want to apply for a collectors permit which is expensive and so on. Checks and balances to these sorts of things are possible and anyone premeditating something for months prior is likely to have a change of perspective or be discovered.
plagiarize
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This me too. Post Sandy Hook what hope do we have?
Still have to try though.
The share price of gun companies isn't the only thing that should change after something like this.
In the Nice, France terror attack 86 people were killed and 458 were injured by a semi-truck.
But, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what happened last night. People are trying to deflect with bringing that shit up.
Randolph Freelander
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Nobody knows anything of motive yet. We may never know, given that the suspected shooter is dead.
If it stopped even a single case it's worth it. Stop looking for the perfect fix, just fucking start fixing something
guybrushfreeman
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You should check again, you are factually incorrect on this one
It's what people do when they don't really have anything else to add or any type of solution. Just throw out some "what about this" and toss more into the pot to try and derail the conversation.
First sign of someone throwing that stuff out there is the first sign they really don't have an argument. Can't talk direct about guns? Bring up cars. Somehow that = logic.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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I was specifically arguing with someone saying, anyone can just use their car
Nice was not just an everyday person using their car.
Maybe I wanted more nuance
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Jesus! How about calling him out on his despicable behaivor, instead of crying about your family to GAF? Never too late to try to 'fix" your shitty family, at least that's your family...GAF will never be your family.
Kill Your Masters
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How can people live with this kind of paranoia and fear all day, all night, constantly ready to defend themselves, constantly in fear of intruders that are out there to murder you?
I mean, if mental health is an issue, most gun owners already sound mentally ill with all the paranoia, fear and probably schizophrenia when talking about how everyone is out to get them.
"I need my gun to protect my family from murderous intruders, it's the mentally ill that shouldn't have guns" - this line of thought (to me as european) sounds absolutely mentally ill already and so such a person shouldn't have a gun.
Sidewinder
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Well maybe suicides are also a part of homicides? I don't know and is that graph for a specific year or some kind of average? In Switzerland recruits/soldiers bring their assault rifles home and a couple of years ago we even had to bring a box with 50 rounds home, so it's pretty easy to end it when the rifle sits at home every day. Switzerland has a shitload of guns too, shooting at the range is like a national sport.
It's about lessening the total number, not doing every individual event. But, yes, it would, because when guns are harder to get, it's more obvious when someone is collecting a lot of them around with ammunition, meaning law enforcement may get a heads up.
After the massacre in Australia, they enacted gun control and it made a huge difference -- with quantitative proof; things changed.
True, but in what reality do guns provide other very necessary helpful functions for daily life? Such as transportation with a car?
That's an interesting approach. Monitoring ammunition sales instead of the guns themselves would be a more effective strategy.
guybrushfreeman
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One thing I still find odd is we still don't have the details of the weapon used (other than the fact he had 10+ of them). The police would've had those details right away right? I still see people speculation about the weapon used but why don't we know for sure by now?
ChainedMaster
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It's relevant when everyone is saying nothing like this could happen without guns. Not deflection at all.
superdeluxe
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Warm Machine
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Its still a hell of a lot harder to pull off than what this guy did. We have had three or so car rammings in the last 6 months? Casualties have not been near this high. Indiscriminate fire into a crowd from a 32nd story window is a fuck of a lot easier to do with the tools legally available to him.
You have a point. People who feel the absolute need to arm themselves when they live in a relatively safe area, to me at least, immediately comes off as mentally unstable onto it's self.
Dunedain_Ranger
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Thank you very much is there a blood donation area link ?
superdeluxe
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I'm not arguing that point, I was just putting it out there since so many are saying vehicles can't do this
efyu_lemonardo
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According to Wikipedia the only other mass shooting deadlier than this one was the 2011 Norway attack..
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I mean, not to argue the point because any extra monitoring can't hurt, but I know a few guys that only buy in bulk a few times a year because it's cheaper and easier.
MosquitoSmasher
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Ok man, thanks for letting me know. So this guy just started shooting out of the blue?
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