Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.

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JasonMCG said:
Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

EDIT: Also, I hope hotel check-ins don't develop TSA-levels of craziness.
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1. It's Las Vegas. The police likely have footage of this person every second he was out of his room. There are camera's everywhere.

2. Few suitcases would be enough, and they're not checked. No one would think anything of a guy walking in with some suitcases. Last time I was in Vegas the only thing Security did was make sure you had a room key in order to enter the hotel section of the building.
 
Angry Grimace said:
The problem is that it's been drilled into our heads since before anyone alive was born that guns are YOUR RIGHT therefore they hold onto them with a force that isn't really warranted.

And again, people have a very self-inflated sense of their combat skills and believe that they're going to fend off an attacker when in reality they're probably more likely to shoot themselves in the leg.
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Guns and America's stance on them are probably the great filter that resets society before global warming does. Maybe it's nature's way to have a dominant creature with an advanced brain somehow be stupid enough to support and even celebrate weapons of death in a "civilized" society.
 
The vicious cycle continues of mass shootings continues. This is sad and beyond ridiculous. A lot of the people in charge are gonna give condolences and prayers but not do anything to prevent the next mass shooting in the US. People almost treat this bs like its a natural disaster when stuff like this happens now instead of a complete preventable tragedy.
 
Watching the press conference. Was it really smart of the sheriff to say that they believe the female person of interest is out of country in Tokyo? I'd imagine the media would dig into that lead heavily.
 
Oriel said:
I live in a rural area and guess what, I've no need to fend off all the nastiness that Mother Nature has to offer. Jesus.....



Quite. This.....



...is military-grade, even if it "only" shoots one bullet every trigger squeeze.
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Are you asserting all rural areas are created equally and their inhabitants face the same types of obstacles?
 
Linkstrikesback said:
In non descript bags?

Like I don't know if you're suspecting he just walked through with ten automatic rifles hanging round his shoulder or whatever, but I don't think I've ever been in a hotel that checked your luggage for weapons.
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and I don't think people should expect hotels this size to be checking for firearms. Mandalay Bay has 3,309 rooms, it would be an impossible task to check everyone's luggage.
 
hydragonwarrior said:
And American media (movies, TV, video games) can easily be blamed here too, but that's too far gone. Any action genre will glorify guns to hell and back and that doesn't help in reducing the popularity of gun use.
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Pls tell me this is a joke.

I mean you can easily blame all kinds of things, but it is kinda of silly to do so. We all play the same games and watch the same movies, but oddly we are the only country where this particular type of violence continually occurs. Wonder what the difference is...
 
KINGofCRA5H said:
CNN BREAKING: Police say they retrieved 18 firearms, explosives, and several thousand rounds of ammunition from shooter's home.

https://twitter.com/vplus/status/914974016447959041

this is in addition to the hotel room
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Bloody hell.

A few victims named, not necessarily officially but through other avenues

Who are the victims?

The authorities have yet to confirm the identities of any of the 58 killed.

Jordan McIldoon, 23, from British Columbia in Canada, has been identified as a victim of the attack by CBC News.

A nurse, Sonny Melton, of Big Sandy, Tennessee, has been named as another victim by The Jackson Sun newspaper.

In a Facebook post, his wife, Dr Heather Gulish Melton, said she "lost my true love and knight in shining armor. I appreciate the prayers but I just need some time."

An off-duty Las Vegas police officer was another of those who died.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116
 
For anyone asking how he got them all in, Sheriff just said int he press conference that there were "in excess of 10 suitcases" The man was also in a 2 room suite.
 
Jmanunknown said:
The vicious cycle continues of mass shootings continues. This is sad and beyond ridiculous. A lot of the people in charge are gonna give condolences and prayers but not do anything to prevent the next mass shooting in the US. People almost treat this bs like its a natural disaster when stuff like this happens now instead of a complete preventable tragedy.
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Thoughts and prayers, but not action, is how we handle these crises.

If 20 kids getting mowed down by an assault rifle with a Democrat in the White House didn't get anything done, nothing likely will.

You'll get a look into this guys life and everyone will write him off as a lone nut and that will be the end of it. I'm not trying to be dismissive of it, but neither party supports gun control and in fact I largely expect the Democrats to explicitly drop it as a platform aim in the future.
 
Chuck Norris said:
Canada and Australia are exposed to all the same media but don't have a massive issue with gun violence
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You have free health care, effectual social services for the poor, and much more liberal views on sex.

Why would your peeps go postal?

Tobor said:
He’d been there since the 28th.

Sherrif just said he had over 10 suitcases in the suite. So there you go. The weight would be fairly well distributed with that many suitcases.
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Thank you. Those facts add massively to the official story's plausibility. Now the only question is motive.
 
Esiquio said:
I get this, man, I really do, and I understand the frustration. But remember that 86 people were murdered and and 434 were injured with a damn truck in Nice, France a year ago. And there were several attacks with vehicles in the UK this year as well...how do you propose we tackle this issue, and weigh in things like the fact that vehicles are killing more people than guns?

It's sad, but if you go out to any crowded area...anywhere, a train station, beach, concert, whatever, and think for a moment just how vulnerable everyone is, you really start to realize how almost impossible it is to stop someone who wants to kill a group of people from doing it.
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Guns kill more people than vehicles unless you're counting traffic deaths, but even if that weren't so I don't see how it's relevant. Easy access to guns gives people the opportunity to commit these crimes.
 
Esiquio said:
I get this, man, I really do, and I understand the frustration. But remember that 86 people were murdered and and 434 were injured with a damn truck in Nice, France a year ago. And there were several attacks with vehicles in the UK this year as well...how do you propose we tackle this issue, and weigh in things like the fact that vehicles are killing more people than guns?

It's sad, but if you go out to any crowded area...anywhere, a train station, beach, concert, whatever, and think for a moment just how vulnerable everyone is, you really start to realize how almost impossible it is to stop someone who wants to kill a group of people from doing it.
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Actually you don't "get it" not at all. Your argument is nonsense. I'm not getting sucked into this stupidity.
 
Tho Onion having a field day with this roasting our shit gun laws. They're always on point. Sometimes years in advance. It's kinda scary in a way.
 
So he had a car full of fertilizer, over 30 weapons and no red flags popped up? Isn't the process for obtaining ANFO documented and flagged automatically?
 
Why do people talk about rural areas. Hunters and farmers can own guns in many other countries with the appropriate license. They're not the issue here.
 
Chuck Norris said:
Canada and Australia are exposed to all the same media but don't have a massive issue with gun violence
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There is nothing like the gun culture media and gun culture news that someone with American cable tv gets fed 24/7. Especially news. And ads. Someone firing a gun (whether they hit or miss) is a once monthly bit of news, on average, in Australia.
 
iRAWRasaurus said:
Grow up. And in the end, people will continue to have firearms. Don't take your anger or frustration out on me for answering a question someone posted.
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The irony of someone defending the right to own weapons like this because its a hobby by telling others to grow up is at all time highs. How about they grow up and put down their 14 year old power fantasies.
 
Esiquio said:
I get this, man, I really do, and I understand the frustration. But remember that 86 people were murdered and and 434 were injured with a damn truck in Nice, France a year ago. And there were several attacks with vehicles in the UK this year as well...how do you propose we tackle this issue, and weigh in things like the fact that vehicles are killing more people than guns?
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No one is denying the risks in all forms, but the fact is guns are generally easy to get, they cause a problem, so is trying to do something about them a bad thing?

I don't care about cars or trucks in this discussion. I don't care about violence in media or videogames. I don't care about religious beliefs or "lone wolves." I don't care about what has or hasn't worked when it comes to regulations in the past like prohibition 100 years ago. This is a concern of the present and facts on hand within the world we reside in regarding firearms. The point is nobody ever fucking bothers to have a direct discussion, bring up other BS like cars and knives and what is or isn't a "machine gun" and we just throw hands up in the air and go "whelp, see you all next time for this discussion when there's yet another shooting (assuming you don't get shot first)." When it becomes that much of a clockwork, it become the norm. We need to address the norm and rid ourselves of it in the best way we can.
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
So he had a car full of fertilizer, over 30 weapons and no red flags popped up? Isn't the process for obtaining ANFO documented and flagged automatically?
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Shadow Puppetry said:
O Reilly: Vegas shooting is the price of freedom.

Former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly called the mass shooting at a Las Vegas music festival "the price of freedom" in a blog post on his website Monday.

"Public safety demands logical gun laws but the issue is so polarizing and emotional that little will be accomplished as there is no common ground," O'Reilly wrote in the post. "The NRA and its supporters want easy access to weapons, while the left wants them banned."

"This is the price of freedom," he continued. "Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are."

"The Second Amendment is clear that Americans have a right to arm themselves for protection," O'Reilly wrote. "Even the loons."
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Bill O'Reilly is a massive massive horrible hypocrite. Who'da thunk?
 
I can't wait for y'all to go down all those lonely southern roads demanding people give away their property. And I am sure you will do it yourselves instead of asking the terrible police you hate to do it for you. Oh, you will have such a blast getting to know the people in the middle of the country you hold in such contempt. They will love hearing you tell them exactly what they can no longer own, say, believe, feel or think. It will go swimmingly.
 
Esiquio said:
I get this, man, I really do, and I understand the frustration. But remember that 86 people were murdered and and 434 were injured with a damn truck in Nice, France a year ago. And there were several attacks with vehicles in the UK this year as well...how do you propose we tackle this issue, and weigh in things like the fact that vehicles are killing more people than guns?.
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How about this: We regulate guns as strictly as we regulate cars. That's at least a start.
 
test_account said:
How on earth did he manage to injure 500+ people? Or does that includes injuries due to panic (people gettin stepped on etc.)?
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If you saw the video it was automatic fire. He had 18 weapons on his person.

Not that hard to fire off a thousand rounds if you have the weapons capable of automatic fire and high capacity magazines.

However you are correct that not everyone was actually hit with bullets.
 
Gutek said:
Explain every other first world country then.
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There's a real simple answer to this one, historically. We have the right to bear arms as a fundamental part of our country, and a lot of that had to do with the nature of how we earned our independence. Taking guns from people in Australia worked because of the limited laws for ownership and the lower number of guns owned by the population there. Attempting a recall of guns in the U.S.A. would legally require the consent of 75% of the states and years of hard-fought legal battles throughout the county...and undoubtedly at the very, very least, some demonstrations and armed resistance.

It's a part of our country, our laws, our culture. If a citizen here doesn't like these facts, they can work to get the constitution changed or leave to one of the other first world countries. It's also good to take a look at current events, and leaders of certain countries where the citizens are essentially disarmed, and consider if you would genuinely be permanently okay with the government you live under, knowing that you could never meaningfully resist.
 
OmnipotentO said:
Tho Onion having a field day with this roasting our shit gun laws. They're always on point. Sometimes years in advance. It's kinda scary in a way.
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My favorite bit from them is just recycling the same article, with the same headline, and swapping in the latest particulars from shooting to shooting.

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086

Such a sad, on point commentary on how we see these headlines again and again, and only the specifics change.
 
Esiquio said:
I get this, man, I really do, and I understand the frustration. But remember that 86 people were murdered and and 434 were injured with a damn truck in Nice, France a year ago. And there were several attacks with vehicles in the UK this year as well...how do you propose we tackle this issue, and weigh in things like the fact that vehicles are killing more people than guns?

It's sad, but if you go out to any crowded area...anywhere, a train station, beach, concert, whatever, and think for a moment just how vulnerable everyone is, you really start to realize how almost impossible it is to stop someone who wants to kill a group of people from doing it.
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No. Fucking. Words.
 
Croatoan said:
I can't wait for y'all to go down all those lonely southern roads demanding people give away their property. And I am sure you will do it yourselves instead of asking the terrible police you hate to do it for you. Oh, you will have such a blast getting to know the people in the middle of the country you hold in such contempt. They will love hearing you tell them exactly what they can no longer own, say, believe, feel or think. It will go swimmingly.
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What is this garbage?
 
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