Dragon Ball FighterZ - Characters, Specials, and Stages Discussion
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Glitter and Gold
Banned
Goku had to have an intense emotional trigger to achieve original SSJ
Goten and Trunks were born with the ability. And only their fusion could achieve SSJ 3 besides Goku.
I don't like the characters(Kale, Caulifa) because they're boring, but anyone who dislikes them because they disrespected Goku or jumped the rules of the series has some serious introspection to do.
and they're both way less wack than Jiren.
How hard was it for Trunks and Goten to earn their super saiyan status? Wasn't it just a total joke for them? Pretty sure that shit got tarnished AGES ago.
People like to conveniently ignore that point
The Omega Man
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It's not that everybody get too SSJ too easy, it's that Goku took too long, he had to found that shit out by himself, there was no sempai there to tell him to focus about the tingling sensation on his back
voodoopanda
Member
Goku's the original cheater. Master Roshi grinded for years to learn the kamehameha, Goku was able to copy it within minutes. Roshi spent years climbing & training in Karin's Tower, Goku took like 3 days. Roshi earned everything he could do, Goku just copied it.
Wheeljack539
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Goten and Trunks were done that way to add humor (look at the reactions from Vegeta and Gohan) and to go bonkers during the Majin Buu fight and all its ridiculousness (remember Gotenks and his pointed nose for that one bit?). That's basically Toriyama humor for you.
The U6 Saiyans for the most part, outside of Caulifla are pretty bland but its still somewhat incredible that Cabba for all his small stature was for the most part even with Vegeta but still had to earn his SS status with Vegeta enraging him. Kale is a Broly homage for better or worse so she's potentially the Legendary Super Saiyan of that universe or at least its equivalent. And Caulifla, without really getting angry or really showing that she works for her power got both levels on the drop.
I don't dislike them at all and of the three do like Caulifla the best but its easy to see why a number of feathers were ruffled over this. The whole anger at disrespect is more that she pretty much dismissed Goku and the U7 Saiyans as if they were nothing while she got her power on pretty much a whim without the viewers knowing if she has any background to back her character up for that while we as the viewer know exactly what Goku and the others went though (through several hundred episodes) and how hard they fought to get to where they were.
Jiren on the other hand is the mystery character. He's not human nor Saiyan and that adds to his stature for viewers for better or worse simply because we've never seen his species. His disrespect and how he did it plays him up as an actual threat which he is.
Hell, for the DBFZ if he's in the game I'd rather he himself fill up all three characters slots (at least if he's a boss) and his assist options are simply him moving so fast he's in several places at once or he does the "eye thing".
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Goku was an alien all along to be fair
and I think everyone else did the same after Goku did. By the last TB I think all of his friends had climbed Korin's tower and completed his training
That's just kind of how Toriyama/Dragonball operates. When Goku or anyone achieves a new super special occurs once in a million years breakthrough power it opens the gates for everyone else to just reach the same level off screen once it's old news and obsolete lol. It's like when a JRPG just keeps the party members you don't use at a base minimum level as the game progresses.
LordKasual
Banned
DBZ is a commentary on how important it is to have a mentor in life lol
You like Nappa tho
Again it's nonsense, because why are they getting so mad as if Caulifla is supposed to know (or care) about who they are? When they first met, they're opponents (from another universe no less) she's never met before in a tournament fighting over whose universe gets to be spared. She doesn't owe them shit. It's one thing to laugh or mock her a little because she's unaware that they're much stronger than her, but nope, some of the fanbase had to take it too far.
Jiren doesn't owe anyone shit either, but people don't hesitate to make excuses for him and say that he doesn't count because reasons.
And you keep bringing up how hard characters like Goku worked for the form, but handwave Goten and Trunks achieving the form as being "Toriyama humor".... Really lol?
The Omega Man
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royox
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Glitter and Gold
Banned
You like Nappa tho
Yeah I like characters with personalities that come through during their fights. Jiren is so boring because nothing phases him. Half the fun of shounen fights is seeing the main characters make a come back and the villain get their comeuppance, even if only temporarily. Nappa, Frieza, Cell even Buu could be surprised. They could get angry. They could laugh. They could be hurt.
Jiren doesn't give us any of that. That's why he and Ultra Instinct fell completely flat for me. The context is what excites me in shounen. Not the poorly/barely animated punching on its own.
Wheeljack539
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I agree that its nonsense but that's simply how fandom works. People get mad at a number of petty grievances regarding the show they are watching be it be power, relationships, story, etc. You should have seen the stupidity during Gundam Wing's heyday.
Yes, I am. It's Toriyama humor at work for better or worse as its presentation.
BabyFaceKillah
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Thread went to shit again I see
That series does so much with so little... The people at TFS are genuinely brilliant.
We are unfed animals; of course we are going to rattle our cages. Want a place that can hold it together for more than a minute without new information? Find a thread that has no connection to shonen trash.
Try checking again later tonight/tomorrow morning.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
we'll at least know something this week!
Crazy Diamond
Member
they're finally here! SSB picollo and medamatcha!
I'm sorry, i just can't wait either!
Is it allowed to post modified scans like that?
Damn. Arc System taking liberties. I like it.
Spinosaurus
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What's this about?
they're finally here! SSB picollo and medamatcha!
I'm sorry, i just can't wait either!
Is it allowed to post modified scans like that?
delete this
FUNKNOWN iXi
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This....... doesn't make any sense. How you can shrug that off but not Caulifla is beyond me.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
done, but i can't really delete the quote so...
ArchedThunder
Banned
Link?
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
Sorry, i'm not a neogaf meme encyclopedia! I still have much to learn it seems, lol
I assume he's talking about this.
Because he's the main enemy of the arc. The poster boy, if you will.
I don't actually think he'll be in though. He's too new.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
His power is maximum.
The truth is that he was just involved in one of the best fights of Dragon Ball Super so far. Considering we are throwing around ideas for fighters in a fighting game, I don't think the reaction is surprising. Everytime a character(s) has a hype fight in the most recent DBS arc, people rush in here asking "can ____ be in this game?!".
ArchedThunder
Banned
Because his power is maximum.
But seriously though, while as a character he's pretty plain he would be interesting for a fighting game, he can send out his aura in the area around him with enough force to knock people over, he can punch the air hard enough to send people flying and he can do this weird thing where he hits people by looking at them.
Goku while Super Saiyan Blue, with Kaioken x20 on threw a full power Spirit Bomb at him.
He
stopped it and returned it to him by freaking staring at it.
His power is Maximumer
ASilentProtagonist
Member
Wow. This is the big Super character atm? He looks insanely generic and boring.
It's Over
kunonabi
Member
Thats because he is.
Which is why he's so awesome.
Brock Reiher
Banned
Where's Beerus-sama at
We need him so we can get Hit. I want him to basically be Wesker.
We need him so we can get Hit. I want him to basically be Wesker.
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I mean honestly it would be easier if people took 40 minutes of their lives to watch episodes 109 and 110 on Crunchyroll. "People like him because he's strong" could accurately be used to described pretty much every Dragon Ball villain - it doesn't say much. DBZ villains aren't really known for their technique (Hit is a notable exception).
To be fair, you are comparing the complete "character arcs" of those DBZ characters to a DBS characters who is still going to be around and getting into fights for the next 20+ episodes. Might be better to check in when Jiren's arc is done (or at least leave room to acknowledge Jiren has room to do more still)
To be fair, you are comparing the complete "character arcs" of those DBZ characters to a DBS characters who is still going to be around and getting into fights for the next 20+ episodes. Might be better to check in when Jiren's arc is done (or at least leave room to acknowledge Jiren has room to do more still)
I like him because he tells people and things to get lost.
Just as baffled as you are
Just like my prediction for the Buu Saga reveals being next, I wouldn't be surprised if Beerus, Hit, & Goku Black get lumped together as being reveals for the DBS characters (maybe in time for Jump Fiesta).
You don't get it, man. People, like, do CRAZY stuff to Jiren, and Jiren is just like "nah, brah, I'm fine" and then everyone is like "WOAH, that dude is super strong" and then everyone fighting him is like "NO WAY, he is SUPER strong". It is badass. He is a badass.
Here's what I'm predicting not only for the final 10 but for DLC and a sequel, hypothetically
Final 10
- Ultimate Gohan
- Kid Buu
- Gotenks
- Roshi
- Nappa
- Ginyu
- Broly
- Beerus
- Hit
- Black
DLC
- Merged Zamasu
- SSB Vegetto
- ToP 17
- Omega Shenron
- Bardock
Sequel
- Jiren
- Toppo
- Dyspo
- Caulfila
- Kale
- Ribrianne
- UI Goku
- ???
- ???
- ???
Final 10
- Ultimate Gohan
- Kid Buu
- Gotenks
- Roshi
- Nappa
- Ginyu
- Broly
- Beerus
- Hit
- Black
DLC
- Merged Zamasu
- SSB Vegetto
- ToP 17
- Omega Shenron
- Bardock
Sequel
- Jiren
- Toppo
- Dyspo
- Caulfila
- Kale
- Ribrianne
- UI Goku
- ???
- ???
- ???
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
I like Jiren because of the memes
You joke, but I mean, we could do this for a lot of characters lol
The Omega Man
Member
These are the only Super characters that have a chance of making it Day 1, anything else is delusional and unrealistic