TwiztidElf
Member
I think I'm done with over there. Too much militant hate for me.
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JORMBO
Darkness no more
Someone tried to inject some common sense in to the MAGA hat thread. Gets a 1 week ban.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/16...im-at-whataburger.53567/page-21#post-10086382
User Banned (1 Week): Downplaying the rise and impact of hate movements
https://www.resetera.com/threads/16...im-at-whataburger.53567/page-21#post-10086382
User Banned (1 Week): Downplaying the rise and impact of hate movements
JimmyRustler
Member
Is there a reason why you still give these guys the traffic? I haven't been on reset for weeks now. IMO the forum is doomed to burn just like old GAF did. Just wait until an admin slips up.... Nobody's perfect but the hive mind does not forgive.
...And the usual suspects will still keep mentioning them in the various topics and posts just like they are doing now. Apparently even with this topic present, some people just can't let it go.
I somehow believe that this person here is a mod there.
This really fits well into their form of thinking.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Just saw mines are featured in aswell. Sadly they haven't screenshotted the whole Sagal conversation.*
*Speaking of which, i got an off-site comment regarding that. :/
The bolded: I think they did have it, for 2-4 months into its existence. It was a time where different views were respected and atleast argued against in a manner that constitutes a healthy conversation.
Today? The second you don't participate into the mass shunning you get your axe grinded. This kind of behavior is becoming so influential that it even is hitting offsite sources like Discord.
Seeing people getting banned for providing a less aggressive view is kind of concerning. But yeah, throwing soda to a supposed racist is clearly not an act of violence :/ Regardless if such a user is racist or not, the action itself remains violent. You can't just spin that to Oh but that person is racist so its not. That is just baloney.
I am not so much into shaming ERA for its views, but i am for providing context and criticizing The Names. To that effect, context is rather important, as clearly these guys dont do that.
Because regarding the MAGA talk: Its kind of saddening to see it compared to nazism. No doubt that MAGA hats, like Trump shirts, are not particularly worn for their comfort but rather for their political message but the comparison to nazism, and even folks saying that people wearing such a hat are worse? I don't like Trump myself but that is just extreme.*
*Meanwhile one of my last threads on ERA was highlighting two books about the horrors of nazism: An eyewitness account from Auschwitz belonging to a unit called the SonderKommando, and the story of a young boy who, despite being in captivity, wrote and wrote and wrote.. and organized with the people to make the best out of a dire situation.
Ofcourse, that particular topic only has 3 posts, including my OP. Because interest in actual historic events put forward by nazism is not as interesting as equating a damn hat to being worse than a once neutral symbol abused by nazism and neo-nazism.
Edit: im speaking in general here.
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dolabla
Member
No doubt it's massive powder keg (again) over there. It's just a matter of time on who sets off. They're major (hate filled) cancers to any board they touch.
I read the site just to watch the insane shit show in action, though I only started back doing this recently. The site imo is already worse than anything GAF became and that's saying something considering how bad things had gotten.
Rabid Dwarf 76
Member
Every time I see a ban begin with "Downplaying" I get so frustrated. It's just punishing people for "wrongthink".
Fox Mulder
Member
It'll explode with rage and conspiracies if the midterms don't turn out exactly like they want.
JimmyJones
Banned
I can't wait to watch the shitshow!
The Elite
BOSS
Was the post deleted? I don't see it.
I am left wing and think the kid is a little racist shit who is just trolling people for kicks but I don't agree with assaulting a minor and stealing his property. Over there I would probably get some sort of both sides ban.
I flip back and forth on both sites and keep my political discourse here generally. The difference in the reactions to this story between the two sites has been interesting to say the least. I think it highlights problems with both forums right now but at least here you are less likely to get banned for at least trying to be reasonable about the situation.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
Link seems ok to me. I grabbed the link on mobile though so maybe it doesn't sync up the same depending on how you are viewing it. It is post #1027 in the thread if you scroll to it.
I think one thread is personally better than doing this through out the forums. It is a way to keep this stuff in one place and it works most of the time.
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Deleted member 738645
Unconfirmed Member
His/her point is, why would there be need to talk about another forum? Ive been on quite a few forums (IGN, GameSpot, GameFaqs, Reddit, some Norwegian ones) and only GAF and KiwiFarms has a thread solely to talk about other forums.
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I think because people also need a place to vent. When they got banned for stupid shit. But also because how this forum was before. I think its more like a healing process in a wider sense.
The Elite
BOSS
It might be the post count per page I am using there. I found it and I thought most of the points were reasonable.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Glad that site was created to weed out all the whack jobs
Makes this place much more enjoyable
Makes this place much more enjoyable
The Elite
BOSS
One of the reasons I started popping back in here was due to it being a wealthy resource of information. There is over a decade's worth of searchable threads. Hell, a lot of google searches on game related info would bring me back here. I am glad I wasn't dumb enough to get myself banned. I remember mulling over asking for a ban one day and just thinking it would be childish and silly. If you don't want to go on a website just don't go. It's not that hard.
I think this thread lets me decompress when I'm not on Reset. Sometimes I read shit on there that I just need a break from and vice versa.
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Dr. Claus
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I have also been on Reddit, IGN, GameFAQs, and other sties and they too have had threads (multiple of them) that are nothing but complaints of other sites/forums. Suggesting that GAF and KiwiFarms are "unique" in this aspect is just false.
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Deleted member 738645
Unconfirmed Member
Im talking about my observations, nothing is false about what I have observed. Can you link to the threads you have seen?
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Dr. Claus
Banned
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/w...hole-moderators-who-abuse-everyone.454958197/
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000393-nonstop-gaming-social/66171478
https://www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic-31/i-think-neogaf-is-burning-down-1815283/?page=2
Literally within 10 seconds of quick google searches using the name of the forum, a site, and adding the word "drama" or "sucks". There is plenty more where that came from. It isn't uncommon for online forums to criticize other sites or their communities. This happens literally everywhere.
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Deleted member 738645
Unconfirmed Member
Thank you.
Adry9
Member
To be fair, some of the shit you see there is so mind boggling you just have to talk about it with someone to know if it's just you that's going insane.
Liberty4all
Banned
Wow just wow. Ridiculous banning.
You know, one of the reasons we have this thread is because they were a part of NeoGaf for a long time. Monitoring their insanity is a chance for reflection at where we went wrong and to ensure it never happens again.
GAF finally feels closer to pre 2010. We've lost a little of the biting sarcasm from before but it will come back. Pre 2010 bans could still happen quickly and with lethality but it was usually a new user that hadnt bothered to learn the board culture, OR obvious trolling.
We are still finding our footing but the horrific echo chamber of Resetera is a good reminder to us all of the horrors of authoritarian Regressive Leftism.
To borrow and modify a favored lefty pithy "when you've always been accustomed to hearing your own point of views, all other point of views feels like oppression"
Which is why you hear accusations that GAF is now Alt right. Nothing is further from the truth as the site is welcoming to left centre and right discussions.
As Resetera continues its collapse into authoritarian Regressivism, GAF is now a beacon of intellectual freedom in comparison.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
As a lifelong forum user, forum metadiscussion is one of the more fun elements. I don't understand existing in an ecosystem and not dissecting it and talking about the form of it. It's fun.
American
Banned
Yes there is a reason why I visit. To see what the Left has become.
I used to consider myself Left wing, but not anymore. I still very much believe in left wing ideals. I believe in free health care for all, I believe in abortion rights for women, I believe that it's fine to give unemployed people and the sick and disabled state benefits to help them until they get back on their feet, I fully support gay rights and trans rights as well. I believe in gun control too.
But I also believe in free speech for all and people shouldn't be persecuted for it or jailed, even if they love Nazi's. Laugh and ridicule them, but don't actively go on social media and launch witch-hunts to destroy their lives. I believe in migration control, not just in America and the border with Mexico, but also in Europe because the hordes of refugees that came over have undoubtedly fucked over many countries here which is why you're seeing the rise of right wing sentiments. I could go on and on about the right wing things that I support.
All of which would see me condemned as the enemy by the new Left, of which Era and other nutters on Twitter nowadays symbolise. I consider myself a moderate, or Centre nowadays and I do believe a majority of people are like me, but are now alienated by both the insane Left, but also the current Right wing too because both sides take extreme angles. You get the impression no one wants to meet in the middle.
So places like Era help someone like me keep both up to date on whichever new insane shit they now support, but also it helps gives me checks and balances for myself. Reading Era is basically watching the Left spiral further and further down into the depths of madness.
American
Banned
I have a feeling either it's going to be a sex scandal, because clearly members on that board have serious issues with women. A good number of that community gives the impression they are borderline incels, no matter how hard they try and defend women in pretty much every scenario possible.
Or someone is actually gonna go out and do some physical, violent harm and ResetERA is gonna make national news.
My smart money is on someone like Alimassor doing this. The guy is clearly mentally unhinged and makes some of the scariest postsI have read on there, like:
"I don't care if he said it or not. The fact is he supports Trump. I live in a fairly liberal area but, I've seen Trumpers and I just get an intense rage inside me but, I call down because going to jail isn't worth it. I literally just get so mad I'm visibly shaking.. Does that make me a bad person?"
He's on the verge. There's many more by him like that. You can just tell he's destined for nationwide news.
Lionel Richie
Member
Maybe it wasn't so bad early on because the whole thing was still new, but there's no question you give people with authoritarian inclinations any sort of power and they will power trip. It's inevitable. Plus, like I said, the dude behind the whole thing tried to run a boycott campaign against one of the best indie games of all time for bullshit petty reasons.
This is a gaming forum. We're debating stuff regarding a significant part of the gaming community, more specifically we're talking about a kind of behavior that plagued this forum for years like a fucking a cancer. I fail to see how that's sad, I think it's closer to therapeutic.
Aquamarine
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I can only speak for myself here, but i try to always explain away my opinion and views when it comes to ResetERA, instead of just ''Lol, ERAcows fail more by the day.'' as that's just not the case.
As for Kiwifarms, it does inhibit quite a few folk that say stuff i wouldnt say (and certainly not in that phrasing) but admist the ocean of trash, you will find little blue islands that are worthy of discussion. However those that criticized me for defending Kiwi have yet to address that post, as they then would see i am not defending kiwi as a whole.
What i found interesting is how some ERA users could not distinct this Republican from her political role to her private role, despite visiting a public place. I wrote about this a week ago.
Sure, but i would want to make the distinction that not every mod is like that on ERA. You usually don't see those names pop up here, but the staff is more than just SweetNicole, Morrigan and what have you. There are some pretty great people on ERA belonging to the staff that in my eyes moderate the place pretty well. But i reckon they are mostly gaming related.
The real powertrippers are a small group of staff people who dictate the policy (Public and unofficial behind the scenes) for ERA on a day by day basis. This is why you constantly see the same names pop up with bans, moderator texts, and so on. Its because they are The Names, the group of people who actually hold day-by-day power on ERA.
Its this group that is causing all the unrest and generating the labels that ERA is given - Which is sad to a certain point, because not all of ERA is problematic. In that sense, the banbot on Github actively contributes to a negative stigma - That everyone on ERA is bad. No surprise its called ReeEra aswell lately. But the developer behind the bot wants to make more distinctions between staff posts, red texts and so on:
Crunklord also wants to try to generate average ban length stats, and what time of day/week you're statistically most likely to get banned.
I am aware of it, but i don't think it fits his current role. Cerium reminds me a lot of Evilore in this sense - I dont think the former is really aware of how much influence and bullshittery The Names are causing, similarly to how OldGAF was. The only difference so far is that there is no trigger yet to bail, like Evilore's shower story was for many back in October. Cerium is also way more lowkey than Evil, so that kind of trigger is less likely to occur on ERA.
Adry9
Member
They are at a rate of around 1000 bans per month. Holy shit. That's about 32 bans per day, slightly more than a ban per hour. How many active members do they even have?I was a champion of Resetera when it first launched (I was one of their first members), but after 7 months of utter garbage I think it's safe to say that Resetera is the absolute worst of the liberal Internet today. Either you prescribe to their ultra-liberal identity politics and militant conservative hatred or you're immediately dogpiled and branded as racist / sexist / transphobic / homophobic / islamophobic / xenophobic and you get banned almost instantly for wrongthink.
All of that used to exist on GAF for years, but it seems that it's migrated completely over to Resetera. I love that the new GAF mod team is taking a 100% hands-off approach and letting people express themselves freely without fear of censorship. I think it's the best approach for establishing a sustainable, healthy community that's based on truly neutral ground.
Resetera is shedding users at a massive rate because of the ridiculous amount of bans:
...and I think it will legitimately implode on itself at some point. It's just far too toxic of an environment to remain sustainable for the long-term. I thought GAF was the same way once upon a time, but EviLore has done a great job of rebooting this community. Even though GAF is way smaller now, it's better for it and it will grow with time.
Corrik
Member
32 bans a day actually seems super low tbqh. Sounds about right for permas maybe.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I was going to stay out of anything resetera related but I made the mistake of reading their maga hat thread. It's not even funny at this point, it's just depressing. I hate Trump so I get the anger and the frustration but at a certain point it just becomes self destructive.
Corrik
Member
Which one. The one I ate the ban on about firing the restaurant employee or the throwing a drink in a kids face one?
JORMBO
Darkness no more
The throwing a drink at a kid one.
mneuro
Member
That thread is a perfect example of everything wrong with that forum. It is hard to read.
Papa
Banned
Incel, male feminist, what's the difference?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Be advised though that the banbot probably didnt get all the bans starting from November as it was activated in May, so that graph may or may not turn a lot higher. Some more statistics are needed.I was a champion of Resetera when it first launched (I was one of their first members), but after 7 months of utter garbage I think it's safe to say that Resetera is the absolute worst of the liberal Internet today. Either you prescribe to their ultra-liberal identity politics and militant conservative hatred or you're immediately dogpiled and branded as racist / sexist / transphobic / homophobic / islamophobic / xenophobic and you get banned almost instantly for wrongthink.
All of that used to exist on GAF for years, but it seems that it's migrated completely over to Resetera. I love that the new GAF mod team is taking a 100% hands-off approach and letting people express themselves freely without fear of censorship. I think it's the best approach for establishing a sustainable, healthy community that's based on truly neutral ground.
Resetera is shedding users at a massive rate because of the ridiculous amount of bans:
...and I think it will legitimately implode on itself at some point. It's just far too toxic of an environment to remain sustainable for the long-term. I thought GAF was the same way once upon a time, but EviLore has done a great job of rebooting this community. Even though GAF is way smaller now, it's better for it and it will grow with time.
But as a preliminary dataset, it is quite alarming. If 3000 accounts have been banned since November on a 30.000 user membership.. thats a lot.
Gotta love the closing reason:
''It seems this conversation has become unproductive. Ultimately, this story provides little discussion value to begin with. We are closing it to further replies.''
If the bolded is true then why was it allowed to run for 25 pages?
The OP by itself is already breaking the ''Show some Effort'' rule by ERA's own FAQ. This seems to be done on a continuous basis.
Papa
Banned
I would suggest tracking time of the month too but I don't think transwomen get periods.
(This is just an edgy joke, calm your tits.)
Papa
Banned
I was a champion of Resetera when it first launched (I was one of their first members), but after 7 months of utter garbage I think it's safe to say that Resetera is the absolute worst of the liberal Internet today. Either you prescribe to their ultra-liberal identity politics and militant conservative hatred or you're immediately dogpiled and branded as racist / sexist / transphobic / homophobic / islamophobic / xenophobic and you get banned almost instantly for wrongthink.
All of that used to exist on GAF for years, but it seems that it's migrated completely over to Resetera. I love that the new GAF mod team is taking a 100% hands-off approach and letting people express themselves freely without fear of censorship. I think it's the best approach for establishing a sustainable, healthy community that's based on truly neutral ground.
Resetera is shedding users at a massive rate because of the ridiculous amount of bans:
...and I think it will legitimately implode on itself at some point. It's just far too toxic of an environment to remain sustainable for the long-term. I thought GAF was the same way once upon a time, but EviLore has done a great job of rebooting this community. Even though GAF is way smaller now, it's better for it and it will grow with time.
What happened mid-April to set off that acceleration?
Corrik
Member
I just read it. A bunch of people condoning violent behavior on a minor and calling for more violence. Not surprising. Even the warning messages "do not post violence on THIS FORUM - NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE"
Is basically an agreement.
prag16
Banned
I was a champion of Resetera when it first launched (I was one of their first members), but after 7 months of utter garbage I think it's safe to say that Resetera is the absolute worst of the liberal Internet today. Either you prescribe to their ultra-liberal identity politics and militant conservative hatred or you're immediately dogpiled and branded as racist / sexist / transphobic / homophobic / islamophobic / xenophobic and you get banned almost instantly for wrongthink.
All of that used to exist on GAF for years, but it seems that it's migrated completely over to Resetera. I love that the new GAF mod team is taking a 100% hands-off approach and letting people express themselves freely without fear of censorship. I think it's the best approach for establishing a sustainable, healthy community that's based on truly neutral ground.
Resetera is shedding users at a massive rate because of the ridiculous amount of bans:
...and I think it will legitimately implode on itself at some point. It's just far too toxic of an environment to remain sustainable for the long-term. I thought GAF was the same way once upon a time, but EviLore has done a great job of rebooting this community. Even though GAF is way smaller now, it's better for it and it will grow with time.
If I recall correctly, oldGAF treated you like shit, and you took a hiatus. Glad to have you back. I remember you being a valuable member.
There was definitely a honeymoon period. I'd put it more at 1-2 months, not 2-4 months. But yeah it's been spiraling ever since, and apparently something happened in April to accelerate things. Holy shit at that hockey stick graph above... Al Gore would be proud. I do think there a couple mods there that really do try. But it truly is the inmates running the asylum. Some of the mods were BAD on old GAF, REALLY bad in a few cases. But not sure what they were expecting, making some of old Gaf's worst posters mods at the new place.
Yep, it strikes me as a wink/nod type thing; "Yeah, we agree, but we need to keep a BIT of control here so don't openly advocate violence, please, even though we agree privately; at least be a little more subtle about it, thx."
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Fox Mulder
Member
I asked for a perm ban and left after I was banned a week for "rationalizing racial profiling."
I still think there's value in discussing how crazy they take things and I'm liberal as fuck.
Arkage
Banned
Hah that first post example is mine. I was thinking of posting it here but wasn't sure if it was against TOS to post about resetera. At least with my example I feel the mods were being dumbshits about my ban as they literally couldn't rationalize it when I was communicating with them through email. Then they increased the ban time and gave me a warning of there being "severe" consequences for another infraction, so I said fuck it permaban me I'm going back to GAF. Even as a liberal I had to tiptoe in political threads or "Isn't X such a bigot/racist?" threads when I tried to do pushback. It's groupthink with mod reinforcement, just like the old GAF used to be.
infinitys_7th
Member
Sounds like fucking Glenn Beck/Alex Jones shit.
"I see rails going to the FEMA camps, but none leaving! Obviously Obama is planning a coup!"
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